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I loved the black socksApologies in advance (my lack of seeing "kit" thread is here again)
However.... have we given up on gold socks ?
I loved the black socksApologies in advance (my lack of seeing "kit" thread is here again)
However.... have we given up on gold socks ?
My observations, great to be back.
We played ****e first half good second half. Can anyone shed any light on why our penalty was over turned? (Sorry if already discussed)
Not many wearing facemasks in southbank concourse, could count on one hand who was wearing them. What was rest of the ground like in concourse.
Loads of fans ****ed up in southbank fair enough but come on lads get practicing you light weights
On to Leicester, we need to be more clinical and could've scored a few today. MGW looked good aswel did Neves and Cutone is a right grafter.
Up the ****ing Wolves
Well yeah, if you play two instead of one thats almost inevitable. Don't think its allowed though. The ref might notice.
But he pointed at the spot disnt he?Was the ref John Moss…****e!
he signalled - for a push
No, my fault. I try to keep it in check, but every once in a while a little facetiousness escapes.I apologize. Maybe I did not say it clear enough. I meant the competitive commitment put in place individually by the two players. After that my hope is that Cutrone will find another team. From the point of view of effectiveness offensive I flank Silva to Jimenez.
agreed fantastic to be back - quite a few on the concourse in the Steve bull in masks I carried mine with me but never wore it - no one was enforcing itMy observations, great to be back.
We played ****e first half good second half. Can anyone shed any light on why our penalty was over turned? (Sorry if already discussed)
Not many wearing facemasks in southbank concourse, could count on one hand who was wearing them. What was rest of the ground like in concourse.
Loads of fans ****ed up in southbank fair enough but come on lads get practicing you light weights
On to Leicester, we need to be more clinical and could've scored a few today. MGW looked good aswel did Neves and Cutone is a right grafter.
Up the ****ing Wolves
Cheers mate! That's really helpful. I was hoping this year we'd stop the poor one half great the other trend, but it seems it'll carry on!I guess in one sense we were average. "Average" like having one hand in hot water and the other in cold averages out to being warm.
First half exemplified Nunoball last season: slow build-up, nobody in the box, overrun in midfield, etc etc.
Second half we pressed, played with a decent tempo, good width, attacked and defended as a team - no, we didn't score but we did everything but.
So, "average" overall, but if you ever wanted to see a match that demonstrated it's a game of two halves, this would be a good one.
He must be doing something on the training ground to impress (either that or he has some serious dirt on both Nuno and Bruno). I expected a change this season but it seems he's one of Bruno's favourites too.Totally agree. Something seriously amiss if he starts at Leicester.
Thanks for that summary! So I'm guessing Moutinho didn't play the 2nd half? From the other games I've watched this pre season I've been impressed with MGW too, but I've also been pretty disappointed with Trincao (not that he's been awful, but he just hasn't been too involved). I'm glad to hear Neves has been excellent again today. The past couple of games he's been great and a true leader. Let's hope Spiers was right about us not selling - and the Mir money hopefully confirms that.First half it was pretty much the same as last year, second half was excellent In patches. Quicker play, better, more incisive passing. Neves breaking into the box and seemingly swapping positions with Dendonker, if one went forward the other dropped off. Celta Vigo scored from a penalty, can’t remember a save from Ruddy or Sa apart from that. We had some great chances second half and their keeper saved them.
Pains me to say, as I love him, but we looked much better when Moutinho wasn’t partnering Neves.
Lage doing his nut on the sideline wanting, quicker football, runners, us to get forward and spreading the play - looked an unhappy man at the end of the second half. Plus points today for me were Marcal although Ait Nouri was good when he came on, Hoever who looked really good going forward, Neves who was excellent, and Gibbs White looks a different player this year - really positive. Silva looks, bigger and quicker and Raul was back to himself. Traore was up for it and was only denied by a very good save. Sa looked confident without ever being tested.
Trincao, had some nice touches but didn’t have that much influence, as for the penalty it was a 50/50 - not sure why Saiss felt he needed to make that tackle in the position that their forward was in.
Overall, I’m not sure how we will do against Leicester, if we play like we did first half I don't have much hope, second half we have a chance.
This is the way I see it tooTerrible first half, fantastic 2nd half. People annoyed at transfers and ticket prices are ignoring positives to suit their agenda
Same old story we can’t scoreThis is the way I see it too
Puzzled that so many have called us out as relegation candidates after the second half performance, especially with players to come back and likely new signings
But the difference being that we're now actually creating opportunities and getting bodies in the boxSame old story we can’t score
Thanks for the write up.On plus side: Trincao starting to show a bit of class. Hoever looking good; Neves pure class in second half. Sa looking solid.
Still have Boly, Neto, Podence, Mosquera to come into the mix and Semedo was out also.
Some good attacking play in first 20 minutes or so of second half with Celta Vigo swept back at last. Ait-Nouri even if on for a short time showed spark we need in attack. Kilman looking solid and skilful.
On negative side: We were thoroughly outplayed throughout the first half with CV passing brilliantly and forcing us to chase shadows much of the time. Our set plays/corners never look like they will produce anything. Jiminez still understandably rusty and too often isolated - where is our Jota?; Moutinho and Neves were swamped in midfield in first half. We know we desperately need a dynamic central midfielder. Time to get one in once and for all. Dendoncker offered a bit of steel in second half but we need someone of class to dovetail with Neves. Looked very exposed on wings particularly in first half with wing backs committed forward. A few rash tackles from Saiss but he was unlucky with penalty and previously had won a brilliant last ditch tackle. Still give the ball away too much for a top class team and the effort was not there in first half. A new striker and central midfielder desperately needed. If Mosquera comes good and Boly can stay fit a new CB not so important. Kilman is developing very nicely. As always Adama always threatening but we don't get him into the game enough which is so stupid when you have an asset like that which the opposition are always fearful of.
Leicester coming up and we are a long way off as yet as a team. When Podence and Neto are back we have some enviable options but Jiminez needs a striker partner to complement him and quickly. Add a quality central midfield attacker and we are in business.
Celta Vigo, like the other Spanish teams we have played, were very good technically and organisationally. A lot we could learn from them in terms of triangular passing movements and piercing through balls. If they had a quality striker or two they woud be top 4 not 8th in La Liga and would have been 3-0 up at half time.
It is going to be a roller coaster season. We still can't score enough goals, our central midfield too easily out muscled and not creative enough (bar Neves). Our defence average at best without Boly dominating in the air. 13th or 14th based on current evidence.
We also left the back door open a few times. We need to be clinical or we will get destroyed on the break.But the difference being that we're now actually creating opportunities and getting bodies in the box
9 times out of 10 Raul would have had two today. Probably rustiness on his part but it will come
Saiss was pushed by a CV defender and he pushed back, then they got into eah others face, with Saiss the most aggresive.He pointed but I’m not sure he pointed at the spot, more where he thought there had been a foul. Clearly, to Neves, afterwards he made a pushing motion.
At least we created chances. More shots on goal in the second half than in any whole match in a long time.On top of not being able to defend crosses and set pieces I fear our lack of goals will kill us .We can’t just rely on Raul
Bang on about the Nuno comment. I love the bloke and it’s probably a great credit to him saying this but they’ve been so well drilled that there were passages when we had the ball and just looked to play risk free and sideways just to keep the ball. It’s been ingrained in them and it’s no bad thing but it shows we needs 3 new players in that starting 11 just for a change of mentality as much as anything.You can see were struggling to adjust from Nuno's approach of keep it tight in the first, and be brave in the second. Still think Mouts looks past his best, but we improved with the Donk in the middle next to Neves 2nd half. Saiss, as much as I love him, is still our weakest link in defence. Wish we would stick him back in the middle of the park, rather than persist with his CB role. I know we need better, but you can never fault his effort. Max, excellent. Marcal, best I've seen of him play for us. Hoover, great 70 mins, but got a bit tired towards the end. Really impressed with the front 3 though. Movement and was excellent and Raul look like his old self.
I don't think we're a million miles away. Celta are no mugs either.
Good write up, Neves 2nd half and Hoever most of the game definitely stand-outs.It is all about performance at this stage, not results. Similar in those first 3 league matches coming up. If we can repeat our second half performance level in the first 3 league matches, I won't be bothered if we lose them all 1-0. Football being what it is, playing badly and getting 7 points from those first 3, is more concerning in the long run than playing like todays second half and getting 0 points. Because as long as you hold your nerve and don't panic, keep playing like that and the results will come.
Agree with the consensus - Hoever and Neves our stand out players. That's the best I've ever seen Hoever play. Though again, being cautious, expect inconsistency at his age. Can't expect that level every week from him. MGW and Donk are now consistently looking improved from what we got used to with them. Neves appears to be enjoying playing more forward and his game has gone up a notch, too. Unfortunately it shows that we still have problems in defence, mostly related to lack of pace.
I don't blame Saiss individually for the penalty. At that stage Celta were strolling through our midfield regularly, so if it wasn't that moment, they'd have scored from another. Saiss had already saved us once from an almost identical ball through a couple of minutes before. It was all too "last ditch tackle" from us at that point, you have to be lucky to ride that out. I think the Celta player totally played for the penalty, too. The only way we were going to avoid that happening would be to politely stand away from them and ask them to take unchallenged shots all match. You have to stop those situations developing, further up the field.
The problem was the non-existant midfield. Not sure exactly why, but Moutinho was not on it and Neves mostly invisible in the first half. The whole team looked a yard slower in both body and mind. I'm not even sure Bruno did any tactical change at half time, just gave them a stern telling off! Told them that if they don't buck up, they won't be sold to Spurs? Anyway, the tempo and movement went up. More off the ball movement than we've shown for ages..since before lockdown.
So in the end, a first half that looked remarkably similar to first halves last season, was followed by one of the best halves we've produced in 18 months and as I'm said, not bothered by the result, but do need to play *both* halves at that second half tempo. And CV were really cynical, like Villa but even worse.
He wouldn’t say that unless he was pretty confident of getting them.
It is all about performance at this stage, not results. Similar in those first 3 league matches coming up. If we can repeat our second half performance level in the first 3 league matches, I won't be bothered if we lose them all 1-0. Football being what it is, playing badly and getting 7 points from those first 3, is more concerning in the long run than playing like todays second half and getting 0 points. Because as long as you hold your nerve and don't panic, keep playing like that and the results will come.
Agree with the consensus - Hoever and Neves our stand out players. That's the best I've ever seen Hoever play. Though again, being cautious, expect inconsistency at his age. Can't expect that level every week from him. MGW and Donk are now consistently looking improved from what we got used to with them. Neves appears to be enjoying playing more forward and his game has gone up a notch, too. Unfortunately it shows that we still have problems in defence, mostly related to lack of pace.
I don't blame Saiss individually for the penalty. At that stage Celta were strolling through our midfield regularly, so if it wasn't that moment, they'd have scored from another. Saiss had already saved us once from an almost identical ball through a couple of minutes before. It was all too "last ditch tackle" from us at that point, you have to be lucky to ride that out. I think the Celta player totally played for the penalty, too. The only way we were going to avoid that happening would be to politely stand away from them and ask them to take unchallenged shots all match. You have to stop those situations developing, further up the field.
The problem was the non-existant midfield. Not sure exactly why, but Moutinho was not on it and Neves mostly invisible in the first half. The whole team looked a yard slower in both body and mind. I'm not even sure Bruno did any tactical change at half time, just gave them a stern telling off! Told them that if they don't buck up, they won't be sold to Spurs? Anyway, the tempo and movement went up. More off the ball movement than we've shown for ages..since before lockdown.
So in the end, a first half that looked remarkably similar to first halves last season, was followed by one of the best halves we've produced in 18 months and as I'm said, not bothered by the result, but do need to play *both* halves at that second half tempo. And CV were really cynical, like Villa but even worse.
This is Bruno's biggest challenge; getting the team to change their mentality as well as the skills and fitness required to play at a higher more attacking tempo.Bang on about the Nuno comment. I love the bloke and it’s probably a great credit to him saying this but they’ve been so well drilled that there were passages when we had the ball and just looked to play risk free and sideways just to keep the ball. It’s been ingrained in them and it’s no bad thing but it shows we needs 3 new players in that starting 11 just for a change of mentality as much as anything.
Agreed. It is a challenge.This is Bruno's biggest challenge; getting the team to change their mentality as well as the skills and fitness required to play at a higher more attacking tempo.
Hope so too. I think if we see more of what we saw in the second half it will be easier because we can see what Bruno is trying to achieve.Agreed. It is a challenge.
Just hope the supporters - on and off the Mix - give him the time to do this.
He did point at the spot. Even the players lined up for penalty. Signal was either that or a goal kick. A free kick for a push would be a point other way. I'm confused. Any road , doesn't really matter just another **** ref.He pointed but I’m not sure he pointed at the spot, more where he thought there had been a foul. Clearly, to Neves, afterwards he made a pushing motion.
Of course. I’ll moan and whinge when we play badly and get hammered at times but the bigger picture is how we transform as a team. However, it will be difficult if we are in a precarious position around November/December.Agreed. It is a challenge.
Just hope the supporters - on and off the Mix - give him the time to do this.
I thought Trincao was much better today than the previous games and was making things happenThanks for that summary! So I'm guessing Moutinho didn't play the 2nd half? From the other games I've watched this pre season I've been impressed with MGW too, but I've also been pretty disappointed with Trincao (not that he's been awful, but he just hasn't been too involved). I'm glad to hear Neves has been excellent again today. The past couple of games he's been great and a true leader. Let's hope Spiers was right about us not selling - and the Mir money hopefully confirms that.
It's possible that we'll have 0 points out of the first 3 games, so if we get anywhere between 3 and 9 I'll be happy.
Bang on about the Nuno comment. I love the bloke and it’s probably a great credit to him saying this but they’ve been so well drilled that there were passages when we had the ball and just looked to play risk free and sideways just to keep the ball. It’s been ingrained in them and it’s no bad thing but it shows we needs 3 new players in that starting 11 just for a change of mentality as much as anything.