Bruno or the squad ? Poll .

[wwbug]

Is it Bruno or is it the squad that is causing us to flirt with relegation?
Unbalanced squad, no replacement for Jimenez - whatever .
Could another man have done much better than 1 win in 15 matches at this level ?
I like polls they cut out the verbosity !

 

[Supadavewolf]

I like polls they cut out the verbosity !

We've noticed...

 

[Supadavewolf]

I'm confused.

Thought it was all Jeff's and Scott Sellars' fault.

 

[SuperGran]

How can you flirt with relegation after 7 games? Never used to even look at league tables until 10 games. So neither.

 

[Glow69]

"Downfall" started with nunos last season.

Last season Bruno dealt with the crap from that previous season and did relatively well.

Biggest upturn for a few years, so fair play for Bruno for giving it ago it records to recruitment, still think time is needed though he needs to improve in certain aspects.

Do think some players to wake up abit and that our attacking players aren't as good as made out.

Think injuries and geling is the biggest factor atm

 

[oldgolded]

Both!

 

[northnorfolkwolf]

I'm only the 2nd to blame the squad (think there's perhaps more to it than just Lage and the squad tbh). If we'd had a fit Costa or a player like Toney or Callum Wilson at the start of the season I think we'd be comfortably in the top 8 now. The players lack confidence because they know we are not going to score. I think like England last night once we get a goal or 2 we will start to roll. This squad is just too talented to be near the bottom. With Costa, Nunes and Guedes all picking up the pace I genuinely believe we will start to pick up points.

 

[wwbug]

How can you flirt with relegation after 7 games? Never used to even look at league tables until 10 games. So neither.

One win in 15 not 7.

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

Who said everything on the Internet had to be binary?

 

[wwbug]

Who said everything on the Internet had to be binary?

Socrates ?

 

[Oh When the Wolves]

Flirt with relegation? Are we in March ?

 

[Ginger Chimp]

Who said everything on the Internet had to be binary?

Someone.

Or no-one.

 

[so-called fan]

Who said everything on the Internet had to be binary?

Possibly Schrödinger.

 

[Mardenboroughs Shoulder]

I blame Leander Dendonker. I'm not entirely sure what for. I think it might be the lack of stadium expansion?

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

Possibly Schrödinger.

Excellent, let's assume we can't tell until the season is over and we open the box.

 

[Wolves Heathen]

Is the squad as good as we think it is ?, taking the current round of International games I make it that we have just 3 current International players those being Neves, Collins and Hwang, the remainder are either squad players or have not been called up, Soooooo is the Wolves poor form affecting players International chances or are our players simply not as good as we think they are ?.

 

[Adrian_Monk]

The squad is better than our current league position. The injuries and belated assembly hasn't helped Bruno embed the style of play he wanted to bring and he's in a quandary now where he has little option but to double down after selling Coady, Saiss, etc. and Fosun spending big.

There is rarely a single entity responsible for a crisis but he should absolutely be doing better.

 

[WeAreTheWolvesII]

I don't quite understand why the fans anger seems to have intensified after losing to City.

I'm by no means disagreeing with those who want Bruno out. For me, I would give him three more games at least, but I wouldn't care one bit if he was sacked tomorrow.

However, whilst people rightly point to a trend with statistics, it does feel as if the past week or so things have gone really bad and I think that bits harsh.

In answer to the OP, the first few games we were totally unprepared and that's on the board.

In the last four games, we've had a squad but do you expect instant results? In that period we've got 5 points, which is acceptable from the four games when you consider City was one of those. It's not great but it's not that bad.

I'm personally concerned with the performances as we're not playing well but I don't think it's a disaster just yet.

If Bruno was sacked now I think he could have a few fair grumbles. However, the board have given him a very talented squad and if he does get longer then that can't be an excuse. Of course, there are areas to improve, like a third-choice centre-back, but on the whole this is a squad that is WAY better than anyone would've expected.

 

[inaglasshouse]

Its the squad. With a top 4 squad that's where we would be heading. Still trying to be too clever about it ay thay.

 

[Dingle Chris]

Both for me, Bruno has his faults but all this talk of a fantastic window was balls. We’ve still left ourselves short in key areas.

 

[Flump]

Nonsensical to think it's as simple as one of two options.

 

[Zico]

Excellent, let's assume we can't tell until the season is over and we open the box.

It's about right actually - reading this forum, we are both crap and not crap at the same time.

 

[Guzeppi]

Is the squad as good as we think it is ?, taking the current round of International games I make it that we have just 3 current International players those being Neves, Collins and Hwang, the remainder are either squad players or have not been called up, Soooooo is the Wolves poor form affecting players International chances or are our players simply not as good as we think they are ?.

I concur.

 

[Rauls Headband]

I don't quite understand why the fans anger seems to have intensified after losing to City.

The whole 'losing to City, what did you expect?' argument is nothing but a smokescreen to some real problems. I'm not sure anger intensified at all, it's just that more people are vocalising concerns that have been aired for several months now.

Simple facts are these:



Without even discussing cup games his sides have won just a third of their PL games, with a -9 goal difference.

That simply is it in a nutshell and its not good enough with the talent at his disposal.

Many have been sacked having much better records than Lage, and at the moment there is nothing about him, in his prior management/head coach history, his press comments, game management, nothing, that gives him credibility that he can turn it around.

He has the most talented Wolves squad assembled in decades that should at the very least be competing for Europa League places and they're not.

If he does manage to turn things around, it would be an incredible story, and then he can lap up all the plaudits, write some more books, and bathe in that success (and deservedly so should that happen), but how much longer should Fosun give him to see if that can happen?

 

[Corporate Wolf]

Lage is starting to sound like a "moaning minnie" to me; seems to throw blame away from himself at any opportunity.
There are Premier managers that have been dealt far *****ier hands than him who are moaning less.

In my very humble opinion, he needs to be more accountable. Shades of his poor final season at Benfica possibly?

 

[WeAreTheWolvesII]

The whole 'losing to City, what did you expect?' argument is nothing but a smokescreen to some real problems. I'm not sure anger intensified at all, it's just that more people are vocalising concerns that have been aired for several months now.

Simple facts are these:

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Without even discussing cup games his sides have won just a third of their PL games, with a -9 goal difference.

That simply is it in a nutshell and its not good enough with the talent at his disposal.

Many have been sacked having much better records than Lage, and at the moment there is nothing about him, in his prior management/head coach history, his press comments, game management, nothing, that gives him credibility that he can turn it around.

He has the most talented Wolves squad assembled in decades that should at the very least be competing for Europa League places and they're not.

If he does manage to turn things around, it would be an incredible story, and then he can lap up all the plaudits, write some more books, and bathe in that success (and deservedly so should that happen), but how much longer should Fosun give him to see if that can happen?

I'm not arguing with that, the facts are there to see and they don't look good. It's just my opinion it's got worse in the past week (maybe because it's an international break?) and I didn't actually feel it was that bad a performance against City.

I would only agree that he's had the best squad in the past four games, that's my point.

The first three games have to be written off, they really do, and that's all on the board.

So we're judging him on four games this season. Newcastle at home was an average at best performance but we drew, would've won if Hwang didn't make a mistake. Bournemouth was a poor but the reality is we should have won. Southampton was about winning and then City.

Five points from those four games is average IMO and that's what we should be judging on now.

Is it fair to look at last season? We have a completely different team now. Also, last season was very different in the sense that he wasn't backed, which isn't the case now.

I believe this 'new' Wolves, which, as you say, has the best squad ever, is only four games in.

This isn't me saying we shouldn't sack him, I have major doubts as well, but I think some of the criticism is unfair.

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

A mix of both.

Though I’d say the squad is nowhere near as good as some are making out (especially with the injuries we have) nor is Bruno as bad as some are making out either.

Both could and should be doing better.

 

[lobodelsur]

I didn't actually feel it was that bad a performance against City.

It wasn't (in the 2nd half at least).
Nor did we put in poor performances at Leeds and Spurs. But the end result was 0 points from 9 possible and, quite simply, that cannot continue.

 

[Timberwolf]

Who said everything on the Internet had to be binary?

1101001110100111?

 

[lobodelsur]

Who said everything on the Internet had to be binary?

Tim Berners-Lee apparently.

 

[Tarcisio Mifsud]

He always makes delayed decisions.

 

[Contrarian]

I'm not arguing with that, the facts are there to see and they don't look good. It's just my opinion it's got worse in the past week (maybe because it's an international break?) and I didn't actually feel it was that bad a performance against City.

I would only agree that he's had the best squad in the past four games, that's my point.

The first three games have to be written off, they really do, and that's all on the board.

So we're judging him on four games this season. Newcastle at home was an average at best performance but we drew, would've won if Hwang didn't make a mistake. Bournemouth was a poor but the reality is we should have won. Southampton was about winning and then City.

Five points from those four games is average IMO and that's what we should be judging on now.

Is it fair to look at last season? We have a completely different team now. Also, last season was very different in the sense that he wasn't backed, which isn't the case now.

I believe this 'new' Wolves, which, as you say, has the best squad ever, is only four games in.

This isn't me saying we shouldn't sack him, I have major doubts as well, but I think some of the criticism is unfair.

It is because we've told (by Brunos defenders) since match #1 to "give him more time". And every match *is* more time, yet we are not improving. It's that simple. We looked at out best for 20 minutes in the first match against Leeds. And a decent, though totally toothless 25 minutes v Spurs. The rest, it's disjointed, only penalty misses and our woodwork saving us from worse. Chaotic defence. An attack that looks like it doesn't know which direction it should be heading.

But even besides all that, it's the body language of the players. The lack of extra effort (unlike , say Bournemouth, when we played them) turning up and going through the motions as if they've given up on the season already. Signs of complacency, having a bit of an easy time, a feeling they'll grab a few points when we need them and then all move on to bigger clubs in a season or two. (it's the story of the past 2 seasons, after all). Not caring about giving anything back to the supporters.

It just looks like something is very wrong and it is not getting better.

 

[manchesterwolf17]

only penalty misses and our woodwork saving us from worse.

Add the Che Adams moment as well. 99/100 that's a goal and our solitary win in 14 games doesn't happen either.

 

[Carl Corts Flick Ons]

All of the above

also

None of the above

 

[Fenrir_]

I don't quite understand why the fans anger seems to have intensified after losing to City.

International break, and the main target of international breaks before this season (Silva) is in Belgium

But while the Man City game as a result in isolation shouldn't be worthy of getting angry, there were still some bizarre decisions by Lage which will do nothing to improve confidence in him, couple it with the fact we now stand at one win in fourteen, the feeling isn't going to get better

Personally I can't see how anyone can look at the squad we've got and think one win in fourteen is something that happens without something being seriously wrong

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

Bruno said he wanted a pressing midfield… LIES

Bruno said a back 4 would make us more attacking.. LIES

SACK HIM

Nuno or AVB to get us out of this mess. Back to basics

 

[Summer_Wolf]

It's 100000% the manager. Despite it's shortcomings there's no way we should be where we are in the table and playing the way we are. Not a chance.

 

[Dr Wolfenstein]

Possibly Schrödinger.

He better avoid Zouma.

 

[so-called fan]

He better avoid Zouma.

Oh right, I hadn't heard about that. Very poor behaviour. Well played to the sponsors for kicking up a fuss.

 

[bigwolf]

Putin.