Apology or explanation?

[Pagey]

Yes, he stamped on his leg.

No he didn't, have you even seen the incident?

 

[old wittonian]

The sad fact appears to be that we have to accept it, then.

No explanation, no complaints procedure, ever changing incomprehensible rules, incompetent referees and totally inept VAR officials. Oh, and it will get worse Imo. These official and rule makers are earning top salaries and being paid for incompetence week after week.

Football is a sport watched by millions of hard working people, spending hard earned money, every week, supporting their favourite team. It is being ruined by overpaid jobsworths, who have never played the game and are ruining the enjoyment and entertainment that football is supposed to provide.

I honestly thought VAR would bring a lot of fairness into the game. What a bloody idiot I was for thinking that. How many games do we see stopped for ages, whilst VAR officials review and review a decision or non decision by a referee (and still get it wrong).

My love of the game is nothing like it was before VAR and I don’t think it will get any better whilst we have the incompetence, confusion and unfairness we have now!

Another rant over.

The crowd don't but Webb will make sure none the muppets appear at the Mol this season. That's a plea of guilty really.
I expected more from Webb but then again you can't polish turds.

 

[northnorfolkwolf]

In life we say things and often exaggerate knowing that the other person will realise it is a generality. I apologise if you did not read it as such. If you have a boss who constantly picks you up on things you do it is likely to affect your performance in a negative way but they do not have to do it lla the time. So there have been enough tijmes in matches where we know we are not going to get the rub of the green. Fouls not given against where lesser ones are given to us is an example. That is called bias whether intentional or not. Samd with yellows or reds.
As I say we all exaggerate as I am sure you did when you commented that what I wrote was silly.

I thought 'silly' was a very mild admonition tbh!! I'm not getting at you or anyone in particular when I rail against all the 'bias' or 'conspiracy' threads on here. My point is, can you show me1 particular official who continually goes against us? I doubt it. The Prem, the FA, or PGOL (or whatever it's called) can't all as one be against Wolves, that's just not possible. We've been very unlucky with a host of bad decisions over a period of time. We can all jump up and down but tbh I don't see the point as the decisions can't be rescinded so we pull up our socks and get on with it.

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

I thought 'silly' was a very mild admonition tbh!! I'm not getting at you or anyone in particular when I rail against all the 'bias' or 'conspiracy' threads on here. My point is, can you show me1 particular official who continually goes against us? I doubt it. The Prem, the FA, or PGOL (or whatever it's called) can't all as one be against Wolves, that's just not possible. We've been very unlucky with a host of bad decisions over a period of time. We can all jump up and down but tbh I don't see the point as the decisions can't be rescinded so we pull up our socks and get on with it.

I'm really enjoying this to be fair, your efforts to stop people moaning on here, as none of us are actually going to affect anything, are an interesting new side to your approach to life.

 

[old wittonian]

No he didn't, have you even seen the incident?

The referee didn't see it. It was behind him.

 

[northnorfolkwolf]

I usually agree with what you say, but here you're just being contrary for the sake of it! Bellegarde tried to push him off, and used his foot to do so. That is not a stamp. The ref didn't even see it, he went with the crowd's reaction and one of the Luton players brandishing an imaginary red card. Plus the Luton player who had Bellegarde in a leg lock rolled around like he'd been shot -- simulation. A yellow card each would have been fair and proportionate. Bellegarde was stupid to let himself be wound up by a deliberate piece of bad sportsmanship.

I've seen the replays BSK. I agree he was being held down but at the end of the day he made a deliberate stamp on the guy's leg. Was it enough for a red? Don't know but he was stupid to give the ref the opportunity to send him off.

 

[Pagey]

The referee didn't see it. It was behind him.

Nor norfolk

 

[old wittonian]

I sort of agree with this view. While we are as shiit as we are, all this crap (and it was a crap decision) about VAR shafting Wolves is background noise. It's something the fans can vent their anger against rather than the ineptitude of the people running, coaching and playing for our club.
As you say, Newcastle aren't moaning about VAR, or Brighton or Villa or West Ham (all clubs that we were competing with a few years ago). They are simply running football clubs as they should be run; giving winning entertainment to their fans.

Re your last paragraph: what has that got to do with officiating. Ours has been mostly dog****.

 

[wolfslair]

I'd prefer that Wolves appealed the red card. In the context of the previous 10 seconds, I think it's clear that it was an attempt to struggle free rather than a deliberate stamp.

He won’t get off sadly mate….. he still pushed his studs in an aggressive manor (not my words, just how the officials will word it) and that is a red card.

Sadly he was very naive, he barely touched him in a way that would cause pain, but he technically broke the violent conduct rules.

Even though he was getting free from the UFC ankle lock he was put in.

Watch it back and sadly the ref did see it, he was looking at the incident when it happened from a distance granted as he was keeping up
With play, but he did keep an eye on it and that will again go against JRB if he were to apeal.

 

[wolfgar]

I reckon we'd have had an apology for this one if they hadn't already had to give us one a few weeks ago. They instead tried to convolute an explanation on this one. The problem is, that you know full well before long there will be one exactly like this that isn't given. Like when they invented a completely new law last season to justify sending Lemina off in a massive six pointer.

 

[MikeH68]

No he didn't, have you even seen the incident?

Agree he didn’t, pushed him away with foot - fending someone off.

 

[purplepault69]

No, he stamped on his leg.

No he didnt , the Luton player told the ref that he had and even demonstrated what happened and Red card issued , bloody useless ref was nowhere near the incident so fail to see how he can issue Red , what the Luton player failed to explain to the ref was that this incident was the result of our player being held on the ground.

 

[wolfgar]

He repeatedly said stuff along the lines of 'people think handball is an easy decision, but actually it's really hard'.

Well my opinion is that all this has come out of the removal of 'intent'. It's obvious that Gomes didn't intend to handle the ball, so a few years ago there's no way it would have been given (although with this ref who knows). However they decided to get rid of intent, which the gave us the refs judging what constitutes a natural position. Then we can argue about whether Gomes' arm is in a natural position and if it hits it directly then even though many will see it as natural, we all know it's going to be a pen. Then we have the fact that it's deflected off his thigh, which means it's ridiculous to imagine that he's deliberately tried to block ball, so it's certainly not a penalty under the current laws. You can see Doc and others actually explaining what's happened to the ref, but in his inexperienced mind and with no help from the clueless Brooks on VAR (I mean you'd imagine they'd have a more experienced VAR if they're giving a local PE teacher the whistle), he forgets this guidance and just goes to the 'natural position'. They then make the incredibly silly claim that as the guidance says 'head/kicks the ball' and he didn't play the ball, it just hit him on the thigh, the guidance doesn't apply.

I mean there is just no way on earth a team should effectively be awarded a goal for what has happened there. That it can be given means that either the ref, those on the VAR and whoever makes up the rules and trains/oversees them are complete idiots. Quite possibly all 3

 

[wolfgar]

I think we should now use this as a legitimate tactic; get into the box and deliberately flick the ball up onto the opponents arm.

It would be a very interesting test case to see what the officials do.

VAR: Checking Club Badge

 

[Oldgold Wolfcub]

I thought 'silly' was a very mild admonition tbh!! I'm not getting at you or anyone in particular when I rail against all the 'bias' or 'conspiracy' threads on here. My point is, can you show me1 particular official who continually goes against us? I doubt it. The Prem, the FA, or PGOL (or whatever it's called) can't all as one be against Wolves, that's just not possible. We've been very unlucky with a host of bad decisions over a period of time. We can all jump up and down but tbh I don't see the point as the decisions can't be rescinded so we pull up our socks and get on with it.

You may have a case about conspiracy but not bias. Bias is an objective term. If you go to a casino and play on roulette and the ball continues to fall in a certain section often then that would be a bias and the wheel would need to be checked unless the dealer is responible for it. Bias is what happens.
Conspiracy does not need to happen to show bias. The fact that many pundits have actually recognised that Wolves seem to be 'unlucky' is in most people's minds shows bias. A ref seemingly giving decisions during a match that seems to favour one side shows bias.
A list was priduced by one poster on here showing a whole list of obvious more than questionable decisions against us as against for us shows bias. As for the refs or VAR I think you only need to look at posts on here and other places to answer your question above.
Not having a go but your posts often seem to show bias against the flow. It doesn't make you a bad person just an arguementative one.
The fact that you admit we have been unlucky must recognise there is bias and is enough to question if it is just luck. I would guess the vast majority would say no.

 

[epic]

I think we should now use this as a legitimate tactic; get into the box and deliberately flick the ball up onto the opponents arm.

It would be a very interesting test case to see what the officials do.

We will have to wait until the next transfer window to buy (free transfer !!) a player with such ability !!

 

[Oldgold Wolfcub]

The crowd don't but Webb will make sure none the muppets appear at the Mol this season. That's a plea of guilty really.
I expected more from Webb but then again you can't polish turds.

They have tried to with me so I can assure you that yours is a true statement!!!!

 

[Oldgold Wolfcub]

I reckon we'd have had an apology for this one if they hadn't already had to give us one a few weeks ago. They instead tried to convolute an explanation on this one. The problem is, that you know full well before long there will be one exactly like this that isn't given. Like when they invented a completely new law last season to justify sending Lemina off in a massive six pointer.

Didn't you know that Gomes had been practicing this movement in training all week in case ithe situation would happen. Its an amazijng trick and almost paid off.
And if anyone believes that they should become a referee.

 

[WickedWolfie]

I think we should now use this as a legitimate tactic; get into the box and deliberately flick the ball up onto the opponents arm.

It would be a very interesting test case to see what the officials do.

If we can't hit the goal consistently what hope is there of hitting an opponent's arm lol.....

 

[northnorfolkwolf]

I'm really enjoying this to be fair, your efforts to stop people moaning on here, as none of us are actually going to affect anything, are an interesting new side to your approach to life.

I'm glad you are enjoying my contributions! I just find the whole VAR stuff boring and tedious tbh. Each to their own.

 

[WickedWolfie]

I'm really enjoying this to be fair, your efforts to stop people moaning on here, as none of us are actually going to affect anything, are an interesting new side to your approach to life.

Classic poacher turned gamekeeper.....

 

[northnorfolkwolf]

He won’t get off sadly mate….. he still pushed his studs in an aggressive manor (not my words, just how the officials will word it) and that is a red card.

Sadly he was very naive, he barely touched him in a way that would cause pain, but he technically broke the violent conduct rules.

Even though he was getting free from the UFC ankle lock he was put in.

Watch it back and sadly the ref did see it, he was looking at the incident when it happened from a distance granted as he was keeping up
With play, but he did keep an eye on it and that will again go against JRB if he were to apeal.

All the apologist for Bellegarde on here are as usual seeing the incident through old gold spectacles. Let's spin this around and say it was the Luton guy who was being held down by Bellegarde and the Luton guy reacted in a similar fashion. I guarantee you all the usual suspects on here would be screaming for a red card. Let's be consistent people.

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

Total silence from them. I think they know, that we know they are corrupt.

Having a ref who’s a teacher in Dunstable in control of a Luton game where an opposing player is sent off and a controversial penalty is given. Clear as day corruption. It’s not even slightly suspicious is it?

Not even from a neutral town in Staffordshire for example, we get hard done by so much! ITS NOT A COINCIDENCE ANYMORE

CORRUPT FA & PGMOL

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

I'm glad you are enjoying my contributions! I just find the whole VAR stuff boring and tedious tbh. Each to their own.

I share your feelings that the idea that there's some big conspiracy against us breaking into the top 6 somewhat laughable. Of course by far the greatest bias involved here is that of Wolves fans! It is hard to argue against the idea that we've been screwed over for a long time, but I know plenty of other clubs feel the same. There is of course no useful outcome to whining about it on here, same as there's no point to whinging about not having a striker, or owners who want to invest, or keeping a quality manager. It's basically what the forum is for though.

 

[old wittonian]

Didn't you know that Gomes had been practicing this movement in training all week in case ithe situation would happen. Its an amazijng trick and almost paid off.
And if anyone believes that they should become a referee.

Many are.

 

[northnorfolkwolf]

You may have a case about conspiracy but not bias. Bias is an objective term. If you go to a casino and play on roulette and the ball continues to fall in a certain section often then that would be a bias and the wheel would need to be checked unless the dealer is responible for it. Bias is what happens.
Conspiracy does not need to happen to show bias. The fact that many pundits have actually recognised that Wolves seem to be 'unlucky' is in most people's minds shows bias. A ref seemingly giving decisions during a match that seems to favour one side shows bias.
A list was priduced by one poster on here showing a whole list of obvious more than questionable decisions against us as against for us shows bias. As for the refs or VAR I think you only need to look at posts on here and other places to answer your question above.
Not having a go but your posts often seem to show bias against the flow. It doesn't make you a bad person just an arguementative one.
The fact that you admit we have been unlucky must recognise there is bias and is enough to question if it is just luck. I would guess the vast majority would say no.

Thanks for that reply. How many refs have got it wrong re: Wolves over the past 3-4 seasons? I accept quite a few. What I am questioning is are you and others saying they were ALL biased towards Wolves before/during the game? If you could show say 1 ref who had given 4 of 5 dubious/wrong decisions against us then he would need to be investigated/sanctioned. I just don't believe several refs all have it in for us. Why would they? For me it's just rank bad refereeing/officiating and unfortunately we've been the victims more than most. Many on here seem to have some kind of complex about this now.
I'm sure I come over as argumentative. It's just that this forum is so biased/blinkered in favour of Wolves I feel I need sometimes to be a lone voice putting an opposite view which hopefully gives some perspective to what is usually a very one-sided discussion. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just putting a different viewpoint.

 

[northnorfolkwolf]

Total silence from them. I think they know, that we know they are corrupt.

Having a ref who’s a teacher in Dunstable in control of a Luton game where an opposing player is sent off and a controversial penalty is given. Clear as day corruption. It’s not even slightly suspicious is it?

Not even from a neutral town in Staffordshire for example, we get hard done by so much! ITS NOT A COINCIDENCE ANYMORE

CORRUPT FA & PGMOL

Unbelieveable!

 

[northnorfolkwolf]

I share your feelings that the idea that there's some big conspiracy against us breaking into the top 6 somewhat laughable. Of course by far the greatest bias involved here is that of Wolves fans! It is hard to argue against the idea that we've been screwed over for a long time, but I know plenty of other clubs feel the same. There is of course no useful outcome to whining about it on here, same as there's no point to whinging about not having a striker, or owners who want to invest, or keeping a quality manager. It's basically what the forum is for though.

There is no point whining about VAR because we can do diddly squat about it apart from getting very upset. There is every point whining/raging about no striker, Fosun, the manager because they are issues at our club and you like to think the Club takes some interest in what we have to say. Mouthing off on here may not have the same affect as say banners at the ground, protests outside the stadium or chanting at games but it can still have some affect. Whatever I'll always enjoy the banter on here!

 

[Incognito]

Good VAR, bad VAR, we've been **** for nearly 3 seasons now, can't score, boring to watch, at the end of the day we'd perhaps be a few points better off so instead of finishing 13th we'd have finished 11th. Big deal. These threads are as boring as watching us. There's **** all we can do about it but dust ourselves down and go again.

What ******! So 4 points lost due to bad decisions from VAR, in the world's toughest league is our fault cos we've been **** for a few seasons!? FFS what a load of tripe. Have you ever thought of the psychological and emotional impact of those decisions on our players? Last Saturday, despite playing badly and suffering the adversity of losing a player so early in the game, we were robbed of 3 precious points, against arguably a rival. That was not on us! That's on the match day officials, who are inept at best. At worst, corrupt. Those 4 points could be extremely significant to the future of Wolverhampton Wanderers F.C.

 

[Scallywolf]

Yes, he stamped on his leg.

That was not a stamp, nnw.

If anything, it was a push with his leg, which was totally exaggerated by Lockyer. A simple push, yes, not a kick and certainly not a stamp. Amazing how Lockyer got up after being in apparent agony and played the whole of the match!

The referee did not see the incident and that is proved by the video, which shows him well in front of the incident and looking straight ahead. He then stopped play, went back and immediately brandished the red card. Lockyers team mates were around the referee, making gestures as if it was a violent stamp which, again, it wasn’t.

Stupid red card, yes, but why no yellow card for Lockyer, who was preventing Bellegarde from getting up!

 

[northnorfolkwolf]

What ******! So 4 points lost due to bad decisions from VAR, in the world's toughest league is our fault cos we've been **** for a few seasons!? FFS what a load of tripe. Have you ever thought of the psychological and emotional impact of those decisions on our players? Last Saturday, despite playing badly and suffering the adversity of losing a player so early in the game, we were robbed of 3 precious points, against arguably a rival. That was not on us! That's on the match day officials, who are inept at best. At worst, corrupt. Those 4 points could be extremely significant to the future of Wolverhampton Wanderers F.C.

Glad you've ranted off? And what can we do about it ?

 

[Andywolf74]

It was a brain fart moment for Bellegarde, kicking out in frustration at the opponent pretty much sitting on the ball. Beckham did similar against Argentina in 98 and the trick is to learn from it and not react in the same way in the future.

 

[Jefe]

Yes, he stamped on his leg.

It was actually to Lockyear's knackers, not his leg.

 

[northnorfolkwolf]

It was actually to Lockyear's knackers, not his leg.

Ok

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

There is no point whining about VAR because we can do diddly squat about it apart from getting very upset. There is every point whining/raging about no striker, Fosun, the manager because they are issues at our club and you like to think the Club takes some interest in what we have to say. Mouthing off on here may not have the same affect as say banners at the ground, protests outside the stadium or chanting at games but it can still have some affect. Whatever I'll always enjoy the banter on here!

I'd suggest that singing '**** VAR' and singing against Fosun's running of the club at the game, would probably have a similar impact on future events, i.e. none. Keeps us sane(ish) though.

 

[drewsie]

Just wish they would simplify the rule. If it hits your hand, regardless of it being intentional or some other ****** about unnatural arm positions, then it’s a penalty…like it was when I was a kid.

The problem is, nobody knows what handball is these days (not even the bloody Ref’s) because of all the bs that’s attached to the rule. Just simplify it for Christs sake!

 

[OLDGOLD]

All the apologist for Bellegarde on here are as usual seeing the incident through old gold spectacles. Let's spin this around and say it was the Luton guy who was being held down by Bellegarde and the Luton guy reacted in a similar fashion. I guarantee you all the usual suspects on here would be screaming for a red card. Let's be consistent people.

I don't think it was a stamp, that implies downward force. It was half way between a soft kick and a push which bought out an Oscar performance from the Luton player, but was still foul play and a red card.

 

[Sussex Wolf]

I think we should now use this as a legitimate tactic; get into the box and deliberately flick the ball up onto the opponents arm.

It would be a very interesting test case to see what the officials do.

I think we already know that these special exceptions only apply to us. Like the third man complaining to the ref, the demolition of our strikers in the box of a goalie, and so on. Howard Webb and his band of merry men can **** off this planet never to be seen again as far as I’m concerned. Incompetent, biased or corrupt, it’s irrelevant, as we’re ****ed every time.

 

[Sussex Wolf]

All the apologist for Bellegarde on here are as usual seeing the incident through old gold spectacles. Let's spin this around and say it was the Luton guy who was being held down by Bellegarde and the Luton guy reacted in a similar fashion. I guarantee you all the usual suspects on here would be screaming for a red card. Let's be consistent people.

Mate I don’t have time for apologists for the shower of **** that call themselves PGMOL. If you think we get a fair crack of the whip, then you’re in a small and shrinking minority of Wolves fans.

 

[northnorfolkwolf]

Just wish they would simplify the rule. If it hits your hand, regardless of it being intentional or some other ****** about unnatural arm positions, then it’s a penalty…like it was when I was a kid.

The problem is, nobody knows what handball is these days (not even the bloody Ref’s) because of all the bs that’s attached to the rule. Just simplify it for Christs sake!

I think this. If the rule was simple, and I'm sure PGMOL could come up with a form of words, refs would/officials would have no difficulty interpreting it. I must admit when I saw where his arm was when the ball hit it my immediate reaction was '****, penalty'.