Hwang

[WickedWolfie]

Could we recall Sasa from his loan? IMO it would be great to have him back now and he would be a guaranteed starter with Cunha and Hwang out for the foreseeable.

Firstly you can't recall someone on loan outside a transfer window. Secondly a player who has done an ACL is never going to be a guaranteed starter.

 

[SuperGran]

Could we recall Sasa from his loan? IMO it would be great to have him back now and he would be a guaranteed starter with Cunha and Hwang out for the foreseeable.

You need an emoji otherwise there will be people who genuinely think you dont know that sasa done his acl

 

[arctic rime]

Didn't GON say Cunha was due back slightly before HHC, so is that Villa?

 

[Ned]

I know this point has been made by everybody but I was ok with us not signing a striker or even not signing anybody in January.

What was baffling was letting two forwards leave and leaving us with the bare bones numbers wise for the forward positions. It left us all convinced that somebody was coming in because no team would be stupid enough to leave us so thin on the ground for little financial gain, right?!

Let’s face it, Fabio and Sasa would both be starting games now (we would have managed Sasa so he wouldn’t have been broken again, presumably) and would both be better options that Fraser. It’s not like the fixture list has changed (apart from a cup replay) so this would/should have been factored in to the planning.

It’s difficult to feel anything other than that we are about to blow the season due to squad fatigue and lack of bodies.

 

[wolfslair]

I know this point has been made by everybody but I was ok with us not signing a striker or even not signing anybody in January.

What was baffling was letting two forwards leave and leaving us with the bare bones numbers wise for the forward positions. It left us all convinced that somebody was coming in because no team would be stupid enough to leave us so thin on the ground for little financial gain, right?!

Let’s face it, Fabio and Sasa would both be starting games now (we would have managed Sasa so he wouldn’t have been broken again, presumably) and would both be better options that Fraser. It’s not like the fixture list has changed (apart from a cup replay) so this would/should have been factored in to the planning.

It’s difficult to feel anything other than that we are about to blow the season due to squad fatigue and lack of bodies.

And we paid more as a fan base every year on the premise we pay the increases to be more competitive…..

Trade descriptions act lol

In all seriousness, it does show what a pigs ear the higher ups made of running the club to have caused the stink that caused the summer fire sale and the moving on goal posts for signings on GON (let Fabio and sasa go and we can afford to bring in a striker) that now clearly happened to JL.

How did we do so much, yet not at least have the loan fee for a striker???

Shows how badly run we were on a financial level.

This injury crisis is on Jeff…… years of bad squad planning and refreshing and then on leaving GON short of options when our front press needs energy which means we needed more bodies not less!! So we have had three players go down with muscle injuries……

I was never ok with not signing a body to come in after sasa and Fabio left! Whether GON fancies them or not, a specialist in the position is always going to be better than JRB playing out of position and offering nothing!

Easier on Gary to tweak the system with an actual striker who isn’t a perfect fit. than try and do what he is doing now!

And before anyone says “they don’t fit the system,” not every player in the depth chart for a squad does as sometimes it is just better to have a positional specialist than not!

 

[Minimalist]

I know this point has been made by everybody but I was ok with us not signing a striker or even not signing anybody in January.

What was baffling was letting two forwards leave and leaving us with the bare bones numbers wise for the forward positions. It left us all convinced that somebody was coming in because no team would be stupid enough to leave us so thin on the ground for little financial gain, right?!

Let’s face it, Fabio and Sasa would both be starting games now (we would have managed Sasa so he wouldn’t have been broken again, presumably) and would both be better options that Fraser. It’s not like the fixture list has changed (apart from a cup replay) so this would/should have been factored in to the planning.

It’s difficult to feel anything other than that we are about to blow the season due to squad fatigue and lack of bodies.

I think it was quite simple.
In order to bring someone in we needed to let the two go. If we had waited till a deal was in place for an incoming player we might then have not been able to sort the outgoings and thus scuppered the incoming. The decision was made to let the two go early in the window to create the space in the squad so if a deal could be done there was no hold up due to needing to sort outgoings.

In hindsight it didn’t really work, but I imagine the factors of how little GON rated Silva and Sasa and their own desire to move means the club feel they made the right decision at the time.

 

[Wanderer Til I Die]

You need an emoji otherwise there will be people who genuinely think you dont know that sasa done his acl

Oh no, I didn't realise he was got injured while out in Germany as I don't keep up to date with the Bundesliga, hope he is okay.

 

[SuperGran]

Oh no, I didn't realise he was got injured while out in Germany as I don't keep up to date with the Bundesliga, hope he is okay.

Well he’s back at Compton with a season ending injury

 

[The Wolf In The North]

Well he’s back at Compton with a season ending injury

The Medical Team thread approves of the direction this thread has taken.

 

[WeAreTheWolvesII]

I think it was quite simple.
In order to bring someone in we needed to let the two go. If we had waited till a deal was in place for an incoming player we might then have not been able to sort the outgoings and thus scuppered the incoming. The decision was made to let the two go early in the window to create the space in the squad so if a deal could be done there was no hold up due to needing to sort outgoings.

In hindsight it didn’t really work, but I imagine the factors of how little GON rated Silva and Sasa and their own desire to move means the club feel they made the right decision at the time.

It’s not simple because a lot of what you’ve said there is open to debate, if not wrong.

There’s nothing to suggest we HAD to get rid of players first. We chose to. A big difference.

He did rate them, they just couldn’t get in ahead of Neto, Cunha, Hwang and Sarabia.
They would be playing now, we all know that.

 

[wolfgar]

A mate of mine was adamant the other night we should sell Hwang if we can generate a very big bid. Made a pretty decent case for it tbf -age, injury record, the need for more options. I just can't see anyone offering crazy money though tbf?

 

[Ned]

I think it was quite simple.
In order to bring someone in we needed to let the two go. If we had waited till a deal was in place for an incoming player we might then have not been able to sort the outgoings and thus scuppered the incoming. The decision was made to let the two go early in the window to create the space in the squad so if a deal could be done there was no hold up due to needing to sort outgoings.

In hindsight it didn’t really work, but I imagine the factors of how little GON rated Silva and Sasa and their own desire to move means the club feel they made the right decision at the time.

I’m not sure it’s that difficult to arrange a deal that goes through at the end of the window though. We had arranged the same with Fraser (ok different levels) and he ended up staying. It just seems to me that we were maybe putting the players leaving before the squad.

We gambled and it’s epically failed. Which is a shame.

 

[Werewolf of Wombourne]

I’m not sure it’s that difficult to arrange a deal that goes through at the end of the window though. We had arranged the same with Fraser (ok different levels) and he ended up staying. It just seems to me that we were maybe putting the players leaving before the squad.

We gambled and it’s epically failed. Which is a shame.

How can anyone say it's epically failed? Despite Saturday result we are still in the top 10 of the Premier League in a season where more than a few pundits and supporters were convinced we were going down.

I tell you what would have been an epic fail. If we had gambled on not being punished for a breach of FFP and spent like other clubs did.

 

[WickedWolfie]

You need an emoji otherwise there will be people who genuinely think you dont know that sasa done his acl

Fair comment. My apologies to @Wanderer Til I Die if l missed intended sarcasm. I've done my back in and am bloody crotchety right now!

 

[WickedWolfie]

Oh no, I didn't realise he was got injured while out in Germany as I don't keep up to date with the Bundesliga, hope he is okay.

Sadly he broke down nowhere near play and did an ACL. The bad news is that it is his third. The good(ISH) news is that it is in the other leg to the first two. He was operated on here by the same surgeon who did the last operation.

 

[WickedWolfie]

A mate of mine was adamant the other night we should sell Hwang if we can generate a very big bid. Made a pretty decent case for it tbf -age, injury record, the need for more options. I just can't see anyone offering crazy money though tbf?

Hwang has had one really good spell with us, his first at club level since his time in Austria. I think that if anyone offers us £35M+ we should take it for exactly the reasons you cite.

 

[WolfInSheep'sClothing]

I don't think we should sell him. I think we should stop playing football manager, recognise you've got a hard working finisher, recognise how spending 35 million gets you **** all in today's market and let him play out the rest of his career here.

 

[WickedWolfie]

I don't think we should sell him. I think we should stop playing football manager, recognise you've got a hard working finisher, recognise how spending 35 million gets you **** all in today's market and let him play out the rest of his career here.

That is so contrary to the Fosun business model though.

 

[wolfgar]

I don't think we should sell him. I think we should stop playing football manager, recognise you've got a hard working finisher, recognise how spending 35 million gets you **** all in today's market and let him play out the rest of his career here.

Well he is in his late 20's and is fairly often unfit/injured unfortunately. He's also going to be coming off his best ever season here and is likely to be at the peak of his value? We know teams have shown interest in the past. That's our model isn't it? I'm not saying he's rubbish, or saying I'm desperate that we sell, but I can 100% see the argument for cashing in.

 

[hollo]

Cash in. Too many hamstring injuries.

 

[WeAreTheWolvesII]

Our squad is too small as it is.

Realistically our summer should be about selling Neto for £70m, getting whatever we can for those out on loan (except Mosquera, bring him back) and spending all that on improving the squad with 4/5 good first-team players.

 

[yateleywolf]

I just think he should have been managed better. Didn't see the need to play him second half after his atrocious first vs Brighton for example . We are now doing this with Neto at last.
I remember the game Neto got his bad injury vs Fulham away he appeared to be struggling and had wrapping around his knee.

 

[sillytuna]

I just think he should have been managed better. Didn't see the need to play him second half after his atrocious first vs Brighton for example . We are now doing this with Neto at last.
I remember the game Neto got his bad injury vs Fulham away he appeared to be struggling and had wrapping around his knee.

Agree with this. He was so obviously struggling, he should have been off at HT.

 

[YouGottaRaulWithIt]

Cash in. Too many hamstring injuries.

I tend to agree. Hamstrings, once they go, have a habit of going again. If we get a decent offer we should sell.

Just been looking at who gets our goals:

Cunha 11
Hwang 11
Lemina 5
Neto, Sarabia, Sasa, Doherty 3
Fraser, Bellegarde, Gomes 2

I think it's safe to say, whether we keep Hwang or not, we need another striker.

 

[wolfgar]

I just think he should have been managed better. Didn't see the need to play him second half after his atrocious first vs Brighton for example . We are now doing this with Neto at last.
I remember the game Neto got his bad injury vs Fulham away he appeared to be struggling and had wrapping around his knee.

I would agree with this. I was saying earlier in the thread, him pulling up injured in the 2nd half and being out for however long is perhaps one of the least surprising I've ever seen in football. Was not at the races at all in the first half and did not look fit. Whatever happens, we seriously need to bring in a couple more attackers than we sell

 

[wolfgar]

Our squad is too small as it is.

Realistically our summer should be about selling Neto for £70m, getting whatever we can for those out on loan (except Mosquera, bring him back) and spending all that on improving the squad with 4/5 good first-team players.

If we were to sell Neto and Hwang I think we'd have to be looking at 3/4 attackers coming in (which I'm not suggesting we must do, but isn't totally implausible tbh)? If its just Neto to be sold, I'd say at least a couple? We need more options clearly? IMO we should be looking at 6 viable first team attackers in the squad.

At present we have Sarabia, Cunha (injured), Neto (not 100%) and Hwang (injured). Not counting Fraser (should be out on loan) or Bellagarde (not really an attacker).

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

Its noticeable that those who defended the club's scandalous lack of action in the transfer window
have suddenly taken a holiday from this forum.

Similarly it’s noticeable the doom and gloomers are fully erect again after a loss, the viagra must have kicked in. Tell us more about the iPads

 

[lets all have a disco]

Similarly it’s noticeable the doom and gloomers are fully erect again after a loss, the viagra must have kicked in. Tell us more about the iPads

They will turn it "toxic" wont they if we dont win the fa cup or get in Europe........cause they failed to turn it "toxic" when we wasn't in the bottom 3 in August, September, October, November, December, January and February like was predicted.......

 

[WeAreTheWolvesII]

They will turn it "toxic" wont they if we dont win the fa cup or get in Europe........cause they failed to turn it "toxic" when we wasn't in the bottom 3 in August, September, October, November, December, January and February like was predicted.......

Anger since Saturday has been entirely to do with injuries and nothing to do with losing, which you know.

If we do lose to Coventry then there will be a lot of anger at the board for the state of the squad O'Neil has been left with. Once again, I'm sure he'll echo the comments of those moaning if we do lose to Coventry. I would predict with confidence that he will reference injuries and the window if we do get knocked out, but hopefully we don't find out.

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

They will turn it "toxic" wont they if we dont win the fa cup or get in Europe........cause they failed to turn it "toxic" when we wasn't in the bottom 3 in August, September, October, November, December, January and February like was predicted.......

They’ve had an awful season the poor lambs, they must be devastated we haven’t been bottom 3 all season. Least they have the current injury crisis to cry about

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

Anger since Saturday has been entirely to do with injuries and nothing to do with losing, which you know.

If we do lose to Coventry then there will be a lot of anger at the board for the state of the squad O'Neil has been left with. Once again, I'm sure he'll echo the comments of those moaning if we do lose to Coventry. I would predict with confidence that he will reference injuries and the window if we do get knocked out, but hopefully we don't find out.

“Anger” from adults after the season we’re having is beyond pathetic

 

[WeAreTheWolvesII]

“Anger” from adults after the season we’re having is beyond pathetic

You're right. We should clap Coventry off the pitch if they beat us because QF's is more than we expected anyway.

Shall we paint the seats Sky Blue for them? What else can we do? Pie and a pint

It's not really 'anger' is it, wrong word from me. It's debate. Maybe I should've said frustration. People's frustration was to do with more injuries highlighting our weak squad, not losing to Newcastle.

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

You're right. We should clap Coventry off the pitch if they beat us because QF's is more than we expected anyway.

Shall we paint the seats Sky Blue for them? What else can we do? Pie and a pint

It's not really 'anger' is it, wrong word from me. It's debate. Maybe I should've said frustration. People's frustration was to do with more injuries highlighting our weak squad, not losing to Newcastle.

No I’d just expect people to just to behave like adults and take a defeat rather than showing “anger” and pretending the sky is falling in which is what happens on here after any defeat.

 

[WeAreTheWolvesII]

No I’d just expect people to just to behave like adults and take a defeat rather than showing “anger” and pretending the sky is falling in which is what happens on here after any defeat.

They did, you just ignored what I said.

It was nothing to do with the defeat. It's about what's potentially coming up with a limited squad.

 

[Minimalist]

Anger since Saturday has been entirely to do with injuries and nothing to do with losing, which you know.

If we do lose to Coventry then there will be a lot of anger at the board for the state of the squad O'Neil has been left with. Once again, I'm sure he'll echo the comments of those moaning if we do lose to Coventry. I would predict with confidence that he will reference injuries and the window if we do get knocked out, but hopefully we don't find out.

I was one of the few happy to give GON a fair chance from the start. And I am now a full member of his fan club.
However , if we lose to Coventry at home, he will have to take the blame, even with a couple of absentees the available players should be perfectly caperble of wining that.

If at the end of the season we have slipped down to the bottom half of the table and lost a semi final to a top 4/6 team, then perhaps the board can take some blame, assuming you consider that the mark of some hideous failure….

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

They did, you just ignored what I said.

It was nothing to do with the defeat. It's about what's potentially coming up with a limited squad.

Ok I’ll address that easily. Do you think the “limited squad” would have been questioned if we had won???

 

[WeAreTheWolvesII]

I was one of the few happy to give GON a fair chance from the start. And I am now a full member of his fan club.
However , if we lose to Coventry at home, he will have to take the blame, even with a couple of absentees the available players should be perfectly caperble of wining that.

If at the end of the season we have slipped down to the bottom half of the table and lost a semi final to a top 4/6 team, then perhaps the board can take some blame, assuming you consider that the mark of some hideous failure….

I'm not getting into whether O'Neil would be to blame. I'm just saying if we lose I predict with confidence he will reference the injuries and the transfer window.

Nope, I don't consider it a hideous failure. I consider it overachievement, whatever happens now. As I said on another thread, I don't ever expect success, I fully understand how tough the league is, I just ask we try to do all we can to be the best. I don't think we did that in January.

However, if we can scrape past Fulham and Coventry, we could be set for a brilliant end to the season with players returning.

 

[Wonder Boyo]

No I’d just expect people to just to behave like adults and take a defeat rather than showing “anger” and pretending the sky is falling in which is what happens on here after any defeat.

The sky fell in and our squad was too weak when we lost away at West Ham. We were about to drop into the relegation battle. What actually happened? We went on our best winning run of the season.

The sky fell in and out squad was too weak after we lost to Brentford and Cunha got injured. What actually happened? We won our next three games.

The sky is falling in again after the Newcastle defeat and the 'I told you so' brigade are thinking they have finally got their gotcha moment, especially with Neto going off at half time. Let's see how it pans out. Whatever happens, it's been a successful season and we didn't spaff money up the the wall on second rate squad fillers. This season has been fine and gives us a chance to look at the squad properly in the summer.

 

[WeAreTheWolvesII]

Ok I’ll address that easily. Do you think the “limited squad” would have been questioned if we had won???

By the majority? Probably not.

But that would partly be because posters like you would shoot them down if they dared suggest we're going to struggle after a win at Newcastle.

As I've just posted above, we need to somehow scrape past the next two games to be alive on two fronts and the injuries will then ease somewhat. We also need to hope for a positive update on Neto. So it's still possible but I totally understand the concern because beating Fulham is going to be a massive ask and the Coventry game is edging closer to 50-50. It would be gutting to have two fantastic opportunities slip by in the next two weeks because of 2/3 injuries.

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

By the majority? Probably not.

But that would partly be because posters like you would shoot them down if they dared suggest we're going to struggle after a win at Newcastle.

As I've just posted above, we need to somehow scrape past the next two games to be alive on two fronts and the injuries will then ease somewhat. We also need to hope for a positive update on Neto. So it's still possible but I totally understand the concern because beating Fulham is going to be a massive ask and the Coventry game is edging closer to 50-50. It would be gutting to have two fantastic opportunities slip by in the next two weeks because of 2/3 injuries.

So no, no one would have questioned the limited squad had we won and ended up 3 points off 6th place. Sometimes as fans we just have to take the medicine of a defeat without searching for xyz to blame it on. I’m suprised Shi and Fosun don’t get blamed for the weather on here sometimes