January 2024 transfer window thread.

[Bostin]

It’s almost always for profit.

Often/usually the sell on only applies to what is over the original purchase price.

Hopefully enough for a tin of paint and a few brushes to give the Steve Bull a facelift!

 

[hollo]

How is sanderson doing? Are any of you upset he only went for 2 million?

 

[Minimalist]

So much for the meltdown at selling him

I have to confess I was disappointed he was sold; but that was largely because at the time it seemed RAN was going and we had no money. He was always behind RAN and Bueno .
Still surprised Luton are selling though.

 

[Sussex Wolf]

We sold Giles for 5 million so get nothing.

I wonder if the deal that Luton are doing with Hull is perhaps a bit crafty. Sell him to Hull for more or less what they paid for him, at least on book value, but include a hefty sell on clause in the Hull sale. So they get their money back, don’t pay us another penny, but get maybe 20-50% of whatever profit Hull might make should they sell him on for a larger fee later.

 

[POE Wolf]

I wonder if the deal that Luton are doing with Hull is perhaps a bit crafty. Sell him to Hull for more or less what they paid for him, at least on book value, but include a hefty sell on clause in the Hull sale. So they get their money back, don’t pay us another penny, but get maybe 20-50% of whatever profit Hull might make should they sell him on for a larger fee later.

No. We would still get a percentage of their sell-on fee.

 

[NothingButNeto]

I wonder if the deal that Luton are doing with Hull is perhaps a bit crafty. Sell him to Hull for more or less what they paid for him, at least on book value, but include a hefty sell on clause in the Hull sale. So they get their money back, don’t pay us another penny, but get maybe 20-50% of whatever profit Hull might make should they sell him on for a larger fee later.

Luton must be pretty confident they won’t be going down this season - Giles would be excellent for them in the Championship next season.

 

[Sussex Wolf]

No. We would still get a percentage of their sell-on fee.

Why? As far as I know, sell on clauses are normally limited to the first sale and aren’t grandfathered to subsequent sales, but happy to be corrected.

 

[Wolf Pack leader]

I think they're banking on £55m+ for Neto. Then some other likely bits and bobs (selling youngsters, Gibbs-White sell-on fee) should give us a decent budget. I think we'll need to prioritise a centre-back in the summer because Dawson's not getting any younger.

75+ for Pedro and we already have Santi Bueno and Mosquera

they do lack experience I admit

 

[WKFWolf]

Why? As far as I know, sell on clauses are normally limited to the first sale and aren’t grandfathered to subsequent sales, but happy to be corrected.

i think because he came through our academy so by default we get some small percentage anyway

 

[Sussex Wolf]

i think because he came through our academy so by default we get some small percentage anyway

News to me, but good if accurate.

 

[POE Wolf]

Why? As far as I know, sell on clauses are normally limited to the first sale and aren’t grandfathered to subsequent sales, but happy to be corrected.

I think it is percentage of future profit. It certainty was when it was talk about a big-money move for Pedro Goncalves.

 

[Northampton_wolf]

Gary O'Neil planning to tailor Wolves loans

Gary O’Neil says Wolves will carefully select loan clubs when sending their young stars out for game time.

www.expressandstar.com

Guessing they werent happy with some of the loans so far

 

[Sussex Wolf]

I think it is percentage of future profit. It certainty was when it was talk about a big-money move for Pedro Goncalves.

I guess my query was how we achieve a share of the profit Luton might make should Hull sell Giles for a profit in a couple of years? I can see how we would get a share of the cash profit from a sale from Luton to Hull, but unless that clause also includes a provision covering any future profit Luton might make from subsequent sales (which it might I guess), then not how it covers the next transfer in the chain? I suppose I’ve answered my own question assuming we’ve done our contracts well!

 

[Sussex Wolf]

i think because he came through our academy so by default we get some small percentage anyway

I think that provision is mostly tied to international transfers (it’s derived from the outcome of Bosman) and limited to transfers until the player is 23 years old. But it’s possible the FA or PL adopted similar rules for domestic transfers too.

 

[Summer_Wolf]

unless he is Hardie.

 

[NothingButNeto]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1749775900948713967

West Ham making moves for a new striker and bringing in Philips to midfield. I could easily see them giving us Ings before the end of the window.

 

[WKFWolf]

I think that provision is mostly tied to international transfers (it’s derived from the outcome of Bosman) and limited to transfers until the player is 23 years old. But it’s possible the FA or PL adopted similar rules for domestic transfers too.

would make sense, to be honest cant imagine its huge percentage anyway (maybe 40k on a 4m transfer)

i said at the time i would be surprised with him or Dion if we saw any sell on of any significant value. its a good price for him and would be shocked if he ever went for much more

 

[dnf14]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1749775900948713967

West Ham making moves for a new striker and bringing in Philips to midfield. I could easily see them giving us Ings before the end of the window.

That lad's a winger though isn't he? Sounds more like there's finally movement on the Benrahma front.

 

[AndyWolves]

I find this really odd, they only bought him 6 months ago!

And me, I was told he'd be a premier league player for sure!

 

[NothingButNeto]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1749784757276123161

 

[Flump]

I guess my query was how we achieve a share of the profit Luton might make should Hull sell Giles for a profit in a couple of years? I can see how we would get a share of the cash profit from a sale from Luton to Hull, but unless that clause also includes a provision covering any future profit Luton might make from subsequent sales (which it might I guess), then not how it covers the next transfer in the chain? I suppose I’ve answered my own question assuming we’ve done our contracts well!

If we're entitled to say "20% of all fees that Luton receives for Giles" - then we get 20% of the money, irrelevant whether that's an upfront fee, instalments, performance clauses, or money they receive in 2 years' time because they put a sell-on on him for his next transfer.

 

[lets all have a disco]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1749784757276123161

Dropped him off at Gatwick then after the game...

 

[Northampton_wolf]

Dropped him off at Gatwick then after the game...

Looks like it he was just on the becnh to allow pond to play u21s and off he goes, hopefully he has a great second half of the season.

Bench really is going to look youthful on Sunday.

I know we are missing 4 first teamers (gomes suspension) but still. Hope to see news on a 9 soon, ings i still wouldnt rule out

 

[Adrian_Monk]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1749558129862328700

a glowing endorsement for those who have departed

 

[lets all have a disco]

Looks like it he was just on the becnh to allow pond to play u21s and off he goes, hopefully he has a great second half of the season.

Bench really is going to look youthful on Sunday.

I know we are missing 4 first teamers (gomes suspension) but still. Hope to see news on a 9 soon, ings i still wouldnt rule out

The bench was always going to be light in January...with players missing and with the main focus of January being further cost cutting before additions.....so I don't really see what people expected.... Gary O'Neil will be fine with it probably but will hopefully be expecting the bench to be stronger for the run of games starting Feb 1st.....as they come thick n fast...... hopefully we will have a couple back by then and a first team addition and it will look a lot brighter, ready for the run in....

 

[Very Proud (AKA Still Proud)]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1749784757276123161

Just watch the driver getting out and opening the door and Yerson deceives him with a quick feint and body swerve and gets out the other side

 

[wolfslair]

in regard to broja, there may be an ability to turn an obligation into an option as it gets later in the window. Depends on fitness of players at chelsea and if broja wants to go etc. If they deem that they will recoup finances for FFP

I am hearing one of the interested parties will take him on an obligation!

It is the player who isn’t keen on the club who are willing to accept the proposal

 

[wolfslair]

Why? As far as I know, sell on clauses are normally limited to the first sale and aren’t grandfathered to subsequent sales, but happy to be corrected.

You can do multi-deal sell on clauses, I remember one player who had three of them tagged onto the original sale with only a “buy out” of the option was available if they wanted to get rid of it

 

[Northampton_wolf]

I am hearing one of the interested parties will take him on an obligation!

It is the player who isn’t keen on the club who are willing to accept the proposal

That i would expect is fulham

unless he doesnt want to move to wonderful wolverhampton

 

[wolfslair]

That i would expect is fulham

unless he doesnt want to move to wonderful wolverhampton

They won’t tell me who, but they normally happily and heavily banter me when it is us…..

so likely Fulham hahaha

 

[dnf14]

That i would expect is fulham

unless he doesnt want to move to wonderful wolverhampton

Fulham have Raul though and he's coming into form at that, surely they'd be the last club desperate enough to agree to an obligation on Broja at the price Chelsea's quoting.

 

[Northampton_wolf]

Fulham have Raul though and he's coming into form at that, surely they'd be the last club desperate enough to agree to an obligation on Broja at the price Chelsea's quoting.

Still want a long term mitrovic replacement and raul isnt that. Hes 33 this year.

Kudus back from afcon early, phillisp to west ham and other links, it screams ings will be available this weekend

 

[Eastyorksyeltz]

It’s almost always for profit.

Yes, I certainly hope we didn't include a percentage of any sell on loss in the deal!

 

[NothingButNeto]

Still want a long term mitrovic replacement and raul isnt that. Hes 33 this year.

Kudus back from afcon early, phillisp to west ham and other links, it screams ings will be available this weekend

Too bad he’s cup tied though.

 

[Northampton_wolf]

sell on clause on gilo as as wella s buy back which is basically a chance to match hull

which we wont do.

So buyback becomes null and void, sell on would usually be profit but sale was 4m plus addons,

i reckon we will get something out of this sell on wise

 

[Premier Quality]

I don’t want ings, we’ve moved away from old players looking for one last payday

 

[sc91]

Luton must be pretty confident they won’t be going down this season - Giles would be excellent for them in the Championship next season.

No he wouldn't. I know a little bit on this, they're happy for him to go.

 

[CelebrityWolf]

a glowing endorsement for those who have departed

Ha yeah, he could have worded that better.

 

[SA Wolf]

I don’t want ings, we’ve moved away from old players looking for one last payday

Agreed. We stated we wanted players who want to be at Molineux. Ings doesn't strike me as that sort of player. He was lauded for his hold up play against Sheff Utd, though.

 

[WolfLing]

I don’t want ings, we’ve moved away from old players looking for one last payday

We have. But an older player with something to prove for competition between now and the end of the season wouldn't be the end of the world.

Just talking on another thread about how Doherty has been a good squad player and it's potentially helped to push others on even more. Ings would want to play and stop Cunha, Hwang and Neto becoming complacent, as well as saving their legs a bit.

If we'd have had Ings on the bench last night, he would have come on. An old, wily, experienced head to help see a game out.