Frank Lincoln
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I wonder how many premier league clubs actually operate within the financial rules?
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Just us by the sounds of it.I wonder how many premier league clubs actually operate within the financial rules?
Iv read Newcastle, Chelsea, Man City and Tottenham are face sanction and further investigationsJust us by the sounds of it.
Problem is we genuinely don’t knowI wonder how many premier league clubs actually operate within the financial rules?
I can see it now.Problem is we genuinely don’t know
All clubs publish their company accounts, but FFP has so many deductibles (stadium, youth &women’s teams, training facilities, player impairment) that the accounts don’t give sufficient detail for anyone to assess.
As I understand it FFP ‘submissions’ are given to the PL (and not published as far as I am aware) which details those deductions and that is where Everton fell foul. They over egged the pudding and inflated the deductions based on some rather ambiguous reasoning.
If you look at Evertons accounts losses they are huge, but FFP losses was only £19.5m above the allowable. They had already deducted a **** pile of losses.
If PL wanted to get its house in order and be transparent- and allay the rumour and supposition - they should publish each clubs FFP submissions.
Don't know what they are complaining about, the Welsh FA have just docked Pontypridd Utd 141 points! luckily for them only 6 are immediate with the rest suspendedI can see it now.
'Freezers went down and we lost £4.5m because the pies went manky'
If he played all the time maybe. But he only plays about a quarter of the matches so £15m-£17.5m sounds about right.Just seen they're potentially at risk of administration. They've borrowed 100m off 777 but the sale will not go through until at least January and may not go through at all. They'll probably have to sell players in Jan to cover the shortfall.
Funny part is people on their forum recon DCL is 60-70m player!
Yet people are acting like staying up this year is a massive achievement…….If the current rate of points accumulation for Everton and the bottom 3 continued for the rest of the season, Everton could afford to be deducted another 23 points on top of the 10 they've already lost and still not be relegated. That's how poor the situation is.
is there a defined table anywhere regarding clubs and FFP.
For instance a league table to show where clubs are at in relation to breaching FFP in say a transfer window .
Surely that might help the average pe
It's useless though, Everton accounts £520m loss over 3 years, but actually £25m. The opacity of the whole situation is part of the problem.Someone has tried to do something here
Premier League FFP Table: 2023/24 Club-by-Club Report
Discover the 2023/24 Premier League FFP table to see which clubs have financial problems and restrictions and who can spend more freely.sqaf.club
Because of the covid write down, its very difficult to understand positions, but you can get a graspIt's useless though, Everton accounts £520m loss over 3 years, but actually £25m. The opacity of the whole situation is part of the problem.
Yes, more than that though, all the other things that are in the accounts but don't count for FFP.Because of the covid write down, its very difficult to understand positions, but you can get a grasp
Unless we have it published by the premier league we are stumped
Iv read Newcastle, Chelsea, Man City and Tottenham are face sanction and further investigations
Bournemouth & Man Utd close on FFP and sustainability rules
Not right now, in 1/2 seasons. No big sales, they face same punishments as EvertonSo from that link then Man UTD , Chelsea and Villa really need to sell players before they can invest surely ?
As Villa's loses are double what ours are on that list . I know it might be rolling time but you get my drift ?
If the price of their pies is anything like ours that’s probably not too far fetched.I can see it now.
'Freezers went down and we lost £4.5m because the pies went manky'
Probably the most 'accurate' way to judge is it just by looking at the accounts and see the amortisation and wages costs against turnover. It won't be entirely accurate unless you get into the nitty gritty of every account but probably the best guide and even then you could be way off depending on whether the owner is/isn't writing off the lossesIt's useless though, Everton accounts £520m loss over 3 years, but actually £25m. The opacity of the whole situation is part of the problem.
1 or 2 seasons ??? Then not sure how our 150 million stacks up compared to 300 million. As we have had to sell 120/140 million worth of players .Not right now, in 1/2 seasons. No big sales, they face same punishments as Everton
If they lose appeal another 3pts docked then admin 9 points would make the battle at the bottom more interestingrumour of administration for everton....
Villa might sell Douglas Luiz for £100m+ in January if they can't fiddle their way out of it by some other means.So from that link then Man UTD , Chelsea and Villa really need to sell players before they can invest surely ?
As Villa's loses are double what ours are on that list . I know it might be rolling time but you get my drift ?
They won’t get 100m for Luiz - total fantasy maybe 60/70mVilla might sell Douglas Luiz for £100m+ in January if they can't fiddle their way out of it by some other means.
Had no idea he was valued so highly until Villa denied he would be sold.
Maybe, although I think officially the ground is still due to be completed by the end of the calendar year and they've just decided to do the whole season at Goodison rather than moving half way. New ground does look good, but God knows what the access will be like, no nice easy parking in Stanley Park for me!I see they’ve delayed the move to the new ground until 2025/2026. Wonder if it’s linked to their financial trouble?
That’s what they’ve said on local news up here in North West. Parking will be a nightmare. That dock road makes their current location salubrious.Maybe, although I think officially the ground is still due to be completed by the end of the calendar year and they've just decided to do the whole season at Goodison rather than moving half way. New ground does look good, but God knows what the access will be like, no nice easy parking in Stanley Park for me!
Access by canoe.Maybe, although I think officially the ground is still due to be completed by the end of the calendar year and they've just decided to do the whole season at Goodison rather than moving half way. New ground does look good, but God knows what the access will be like, no nice easy parking in Stanley Park for me!
Seriously did wonder about a ferry from the Wirral. Close to the Liverpool landing.Access by canoe.
Absolutely. They are about to hit administration in the new yearI see they’ve delayed the move to the new ground until 2025/2026. Wonder if it’s linked to their financial trouble?
Paywall on that article. Don't suppose you could give us the gist?Nottingham Forest could face FFP charge as Everton risk second penalty
Forest have been living by the seat of their pants for a while now and looks like it's coming back around soon.
No problemPaywall on that article. Don't suppose you could give us the gist?
There's another bit at the end about Chelsea also being quite close but, long story short, big daddy Saudi came and made their problems go away.Premier League clubs will learn in the next two weeks if any will face charges for new breaches of financial rules, with Nottingham Forest seen by experts as being most at risk
Forest are considered to be sailing close to the wind because of their heavy spending while in the Championship and since winning promotion, and there are also concerns that Everton could face a second charge in consecutive seasons of breaching profit and sustainability rules (PSR).
Under a new system brought in by the Premier League for this season, charges for straightforward breaches will be fast-tracked and dealt with by early April, with any points deductions applied to this campaign. Everton were charged last season but had a ten-point penalty imposed in November, which they have appealed against.
The new rules meant all 20 clubs had to submit accounts for 2022-23 by December 31 and any charges will be announced by January 14. A club will have two weeks to respond to a charge and then a hearing by an independent commission must be concluded by April 8. Appeals will have to be completed by the end of the season.
Under the Premier League’s PSR, clubs can make a maximum loss of £105 million over a rolling three-year period, or £35 million a season. If a club has been in the EFL during those three years, the amount of losses allowed are even smaller. Forest would be limited to losses of £61 million: £13 million for the 2020-21 and 2021-22 seasons when they were in Sky Bet Championship, plus £35 million for last season.
Forest made a loss of £45.6 million in 2021-22, when they were promoted, and £15.5 million the season before. In both years, the club spent double the amount on wages that they earned in turnover. Although promotion to the Premier League will have boosted Forest’s income by about £90 million, the club spent heavily on transfers after promotion and their wage bill will have rocketed too.
One legal expert with experience of Financial Fair Play cases told The Times that he expected another club apart from Everton to be charged.
Meanwhile, the football finance author Kieran Maguire believes that Forest have the most to fear. “Nottingham Forest were very much at the limit of their Financial Fair Play allowance when they were promoted to the Premier League and that investment in new players continued in their first season, when they signed players on high wages, including some such as Jesse Lingard who didn’t work out,” he said. “If you are looking for clubs close to the limit they would be at the top in my opinion.”
Forest declined to comment.
My heart is truly split in two.No problem
Wonder if Nuno knew about this before agreeing to join them? Him and his entourage managing Forest must be costing close to Portugal's GDP.No problem