Vinny Clarke OUT

[thisisgil]

Sounds excellent so any young players get that get any good get sold to just reinvest in more young players to rinse and repeat whilst treading water.

Look, I know nothing. I'm just an idiot speculating on a message board. But I do think that the develop-youngsters-for-a-profit model could be a really viable one, particularly if you have a stake in the world's foremost soccer agency. We just need to reach stability from a cashflow perspective.

After that point, if we continue to scour for talent, leaning on our relationship with GestiFute and the network of football clubs throughout Europe and South America that Fosun also have a financial interest in, we are in the position where we can develop a generation of players to either bring quality to the first XI (Neto) or sell at a profit (Mir). It's a pretty interesting model and one that I think could work for Fosun.

 

[Ironfistedmonk]

Amazon squeeze small businesses more and more each year, and has succeeded in destroying many by stealing their products

That has zero to do with Wolves and the analogy you gave, Wolves aren't squeezing anybody but the fans

 

[Deleted member yltz11841]

which was better than than being relegated to the 4th division

It's all about context, I enjoyed the championship with a plan more than the premier league last season

 

[Deleted member 8455jwf]

Sounds excellent so any young players get that get any good get sold to just reinvest in more young players to rinse and repeat whilst treading water.

Like Leicester have you mean? We should have a sold budget each year to buy players and can supplement it with a sale every other year or so would be my guess.

This mess with ticket prices is stupid though, it is such a small sum of revenue overall. It is more of a daft principle thing I think, that they have demand so they can increase the price.

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

which was better than than being relegated to the 4th division

Exactly.

The idea of seasons in the premier league seeing the best players ive seen in a wolves shirt in 40 years, I for one am very happy.

Unfortunately like some kids at christmas, it seems some wolves fans dont deserve nice things.

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

It's all about context, I enjoyed the championship with a plan than the premier league last season

The trouble is in the last 20 years, that plan in the championship was mainly ****.

 

[Deleted member 8455jwf]

That has zero to do with Wolves and the analogy you gave, Wolves aren't squeezing anybody but the fans

Well the TV money mainly pays players wages, so the squeeze is the subscription cost. The fans being squeezed it Fosun's decision based largely on business principles I'd guess.

 

[1972 i began]

Sounds excellent so any young players get that get any good get sold to just reinvest in more young players to rinse and repeat whilst treading water.

Have yow bin drinking....wat does......any young players get that get any good get sold.....Mean.

 

[Deleted member yltz11841]

Like Leicester have you mean? We should have a sold budget each year to buy players and can supplement it with a sale every other year or so would be my guess.

This mess with ticket prices is stupid though, it is such a small sum of revenue overall. It is more of a daft principle thing I think, that they have demand so they can increase the price.

Leicester at least seem to address their weaknesses even if they don't work out regardless of budget

 

[Deleted member 8455jwf]

Leicester at least seem to address their weaknesses even if they don't work out regardless of budget

Yeah they do the sell to buy thing miles better than us, basically the problem is we can't seem to shift our players for a strong price. Also the reinvestment has been poor, I like Fabio and Semedo but objectively we could have got more for our money.

 

[whitnash wolf ex.dewsbury]

Exactly.

The idea of seasons in the premier league seeing the best players ive seen in a wolves shirt in 40 years, I for one am very happy.

Unfortunately like some kids at christmas, it seems some wolves fans dont deserve nice things.

unfortunate that you missed the fifties,when you could have seen better than treading water

 

[whitnash wolf ex.dewsbury]

Yeah they do the sell to buy thing miles better than us, basically the problem is we can't seem to shift our players for a strong price. Also the reinvestment has been poor, I like Fabio and Semedo but objectively we could have got more for our money.

think leicester owed about the same as us for transfers(£100mill.)

 

[Deleted member 8455jwf]

think leicester owed about the same as us for transfers(£100mill.)

Yeah it is something around that, Liverpool are miles out in front. It is actually good business sense, it is basically interest free debt. Although if it limits your future spending (I have no evidence of that it could be budgeted in) then net it might not be good.

 

[Ironfistedmonk]

Well the TV money mainly pays players wages, so the squeeze is the subscription cost. The fans being squeezed it Fosun's decision based largely on business principles I'd guess.

"It's a bold strategy Cotton, lets see if it pays off for them"

I'd say relations with the fan base are now at there lowest since Fosun took over, I gave up my season ticket to cut costs when it was around £430 ish, I'd assume at these prices a few more will join me but will probably be replaced, the goodwill of the fan base has been damaged already though.

Lack of investment in players (so far), talk of having to sell to buy, an unknown manager following a very popular one (where have I heard that before?), and poor pre season form on top of last seasons poor performances puts us in a bad place IMO. We need to get off to a good start but the fixtures aren't kind, it's all building up to what could be a nasty start to the season.

All this at a time when most clubs aren't trying to fleece their own fans who are still suffering through a pandemic, I think the club has put a lot of pressure on themselves for what is a pittance to them in the grand scheme of things.

 

[whitnash wolf ex.dewsbury]

Yeah it is something around that, Liverpool are miles out in front. It is actually good business sense, it is basically interest free debt. Although if it limits your future spending (I have no evidence of that it could be budgeted in) then net it might not be good.

you should see what arsenal owe(have got some money coming back in)

 

[kennyB]

99% of chairman haven’t ever played football it’s not a requirement of the role

I'm not taking about professiona football, any kind of football at any level so how would you know that? I feel sure most must have played at some level. Shi probably never heard of football until being sent to Wolves although I don't know that either.

 

[lostwolf]

Removing him will do nothing, he is fulfilling his brief

This is spot on, he's the face of a set up that used to be aligned with supporters aspirations but currently isn't, that's not his fault.

It's natural though that people will look for an actual real-life person to blame for things they (rightly) perceive to be wrong; it's much harder to: a) understand the intentions of an organisation/system and b) tolerate the disappointment that'd go with accepting that the one pack stuff was only ever a nice bit of marketing, with no substance to it (people at the club talk guff about 'values' without any agreement aboit what they are).

Vinny doesn't help himself in my eyes though with crap like "I sometimes consider us to be a 140-year-old start-up company"... ffs lad, that's claptrap.

 

[lostwolf]

Amazon do drop prices quite regularly though, I think Wolves will have a welcome to capitalism in the near future if they continue to raise the prices of what seems like anything and everything

Sadly I'm not sure they will. Their calculation about latent demand and price rises is probably a sound one. The problem here is that when people talk about this being 'capitalism' (... so suck it up) is that it could be argued that ours is an example of market failure: a football club is a pretty unique type of business, being a community asset as much as a business imo and the simple fact that consumers can't change 'product', they/we can only stop going. I know I won't stop going, I've got **** all else to do!

 

[Padraig]

Still, at least his retail operation’s going well.

Been to the grand megashop re-opening today and unless you’re after an XS or XL+ you’re **** out of luck.

 

[Wolves Heathen]

Vinny, what are the responsibilities of you and your team at Wolves?

I oversee the trading elements of the club, whether that be retail, through to ticketing and food and beverage (F&B) – everything from your pie and a pint on the concourse, right through to our most premium hospitality offering. We also have a fourth area which is known as ancillary sales, which includes car parking revenues, lottery, museum and stadium tours. My remit is to grow those areas and make us more commercially competitive.

Which means putting up Car Parking charges way beyond inflation.

What are your objectives for the future at Wolves?

The second key objective is to always have the fans at the forefront of what we’re doing. We know some decisions we make will work and some will not, but the fans have to be central to everything we do.

Which means wacking up the cost of watching games, hence alienating fans.

What would you describe as your best achievement while working for Wolves?

The big focus we’ve put on the last year has been around product. We’re really keen on getting our product right; whether that’s in retail or food and beverage. We feel that we can improve on what we’re doing and in retail we’ve focused on an overall product overhaul. We now buy directly from the far east, so we have greater product control over that product, and we’ve taken the spec and quality up from where it had been recently, and I hope fans have been receptive to that.

Which means not having stock when the Megastore reopened.

So far Vinny its not looking great is it ? marks out of 10 for the second objective alone i give you a big 0

Finally, tell us something about you that we didn’t already know.

I can fly planes. In 2008 I headed over to Florida to get my pilots licence, because becoming a commercial pilot was all I ever wanted to do.

I suggest you fly as far away from Molineux as possible ASAP, maybe HK Wolf can give you a lift to there.

 

[DDPPwolf313]

I've got a feeling this threads going to run and run

 

[WeAreTheWolvesII]

I've got a feeling this threads going to run and run

More bad news on the way?

 

[DDPPwolf313]

More bad news on the way?

Bloody hope not! Just seems like we've had a succession of commercial own goals so the spotlight is firmly on Big Vinster. Can't see that changing for a while, fingers crossed for a good start to the season so he fizzles into the background

 

[Finch3d]

More bad news on the way?

The half time pie and beer prices I'm sure will bring a tear to the eye.

 

[John de Wolf's hairdryer]

Oh come on…..everybody has a boss. And any good owner doesn’t want a yes man. What fool wants a puppet?
A good owner knows when to listen and take advice and when to keep out of the way. But even Sir Alec had only so much clout.

Seemingly all the non-playing personnel with any charisma and air of dynamism about them that were at the club three years ago (e.g. Laurie, Thelwell, Nuno) have all left. The non-playing personnel at the recent Ask Wolves video sessions along with Jeff Shi all displayed the charisma of dead fish and had an aura of tired, downtrodden middle-aged middle management 'yes man' about them.

I don't know precisely why Jeff Shi, who is clearly both very intelligent and very ruthless, wants to surround himself with robotic drones exuding all the personality of a dialtone, but he does. My working assumption is that he wants absolute control and feels he requires non-critical apparatchiks who will implement his diktats without demur. I don't think it's a smart or clever managerial approach, but that's what I see is going on. It worries me.

 

[ricki herberts moustache]

So why didn't you apply for it when it was vacant?

Because they weren't going to give me a housemaid

 

[maws]

Then the general deserves as much if not more blame than the lieutenants

Interesting, we’ve had a new computer system at work, been a shambles, the hierarchy signed it off but they were promised from the people below all was good. Even to the point we had an email telling us it was a seamless change over, it made a lot of people read the dictionary that word! The blame is entirely at the level below our exec, they’re busy doing other stuff, the level below implemented it (they’re on big wages) and they basically glossed over any faults to our exec.

Vinny/Jeff, if you believe exec level have an intricate detail on all happening in companies I’m afraid I disagree. Boris Johnson is the best example I can give where the head honcho hasn’t got a scooby.

 

[WickedWolfie]

Interesting, we’ve had a new computer system at work, been a shambles, the hierarchy signed it off but they were promised from the people below all was good. Even to the point we had an email telling us it was a seamless change over, it made a lot of people read the dictionary that word! The blame is entirely at the level below our exec, they’re busy doing other stuff, the level below implemented it (they’re on big wages) and they basically glossed over any faults to our exec.

Vinny/Jeff, if you believe exec level have an intricate detail on all happening in companies I’m afraid I disagree. Boris Johnson is the best example I can give where the head honcho hasn’t got a scooby.

Maws Seniors can't have an intimate handle on everything going on but they have management information systems to give them info on key things. A new IT system, particularly if the business is dependent on it, is definitely one of those. There should have been clear milestones, agreed testing processes, a risk register etc. Seniors should have wanted to see all of those and been all over progress reports. If they were and people lied their jobs should be on the line.

 

[Mardenboroughs Shoulder]

Pedantically if you look at Vinnie's position in the heirarchy he is more like a full Colonel than a Lieutenant. The person who actually runs the ticket office better fits that description.

But you ain't got no legs, Lieutenant Dan!

 

[VancouverWolf]

Seemingly all the non-playing personnel with any charisma and air of dynamism about them that were at the club three years ago (e.g. Laurie, Thelwell, Nuno) have all left. The non-playing personnel at the recent Ask Wolves video sessions along with Jeff Shi all displayed the charisma of dead fish and had an aura of tired, downtrodden middle-aged middle management 'yes man' about them.

I don't know precisely why Jeff Shi, who is clearly both very intelligent and very ruthless, wants to surround himself with robotic drones exuding all the personality of a dialtone, but he does. My working assumption is that he wants absolute control and feels he requires non-critical apparatchiks who will implement his diktats without demur. I don't think it's a smart or clever managerial approach, but that's what I see is going on. It worries me.

Your ability to see things in situations is, well, quite remarkable.

 

[Deleted member 8455jwf]

Interesting, we’ve had a new computer system at work, been a shambles, the hierarchy signed it off but they were promised from the people below all was good. Even to the point we had an email telling us it was a seamless change over, it made a lot of people read the dictionary that word! The blame is entirely at the level below our exec, they’re busy doing other stuff, the level below implemented it (they’re on big wages) and they basically glossed over any faults to our exec.

Vinny/Jeff, if you believe exec level have an intricate detail on all happening in companies I’m afraid I disagree. Boris Johnson is the best example I can give where the head honcho hasn’t got a scooby.

So you think Jeff didn't know the ticket pricing was changing? This isn't a technical change by a specialist, it is literally just the price going up

 

[maws]

So you think Jeff didn't know the ticket pricing was changing? This isn't a technical change by a specialist, it is literally just the price going up

Again, you’re putting in something I didn’t say. I’m saying he’s been told by people below him this is a good idea and it is something they should do. I am guessing he’s more into the playing side ie transfers, leaving Vinny to stuff like this. There’s been a noticeable sea change since Clark took over. It’s a direct correlation

 

[DDPPwolf313]

Seemingly all the non-playing personnel with any charisma and air of dynamism about them that were at the club three years ago (e.g. Laurie, Thelwell, Nuno) have all left. The non-playing personnel at the recent Ask Wolves video sessions along with Jeff Shi all displayed the charisma of dead fish and had an aura of tired, downtrodden middle-aged middle management 'yes man' about them.

I don't know precisely why Jeff Shi, who is clearly both very intelligent and very ruthless, wants to surround himself with robotic drones exuding all the personality of a dialtone, but he does. My working assumption is that he wants absolute control and feels he requires non-critical apparatchiks who will implement his diktats without demur. I don't think it's a smart or clever managerial approach, but that's what I see is going on. It worries me.

Im not sure I can remember this charisma of Thelwell's, but he was very astute! The rest I agree with

 

[Supadavewolf]

The half time pie and beer prices I'm sure will bring a tear to the eye.

They certainly bring an oomph to the tum.

 

[Darvo]

Again, you’re putting in something I didn’t say. I’m saying he’s been told by people below him this is a good idea and it is something they should do. I am guessing he’s more into the playing side ie transfers, leaving Vinny to stuff like this. There’s been a noticeable sea change since Clark took over. It’s a direct correlation

I find it almost impossible to believe that the pricing policy isn’t defined by Shi. Absolutely no way.

He’s surrounded himself by nondescript yes men who have no power at all. He’s calling all of the shots. I quite liked him in his early round of interviews ... but in the Ask Wolves sessions I could see a different character.

His tightening grip on everything (including football matters ... ‘Fabio was my signing’) is worrying.

 

[maws]

I find it almost impossible to believe that the pricing policy isn’t defined by Shi. Absolutely no way.

He’s surrounded himself by nondescript yes men who have no power at all. He’s calling all of the shots. I quite liked him in his early round of interviews ... but in the Ask Wolves sessions I could see a different character.

His tightening grip on everything (including football matters ... ‘Fabio was my signing’) is worrying.

Well neither of us know definitively, but the Dabio statement lends itself to my view he’s more on the playing side. Of course he signs off everything snd will be involved in it, but I think Clark is here for things revenue based

 

[Hot Fuss]

Again, you’re putting in something I didn’t say. I’m saying he’s been told by people below him this is a good idea and it is something they should do. I am guessing he’s more into the playing side ie transfers, leaving Vinny to stuff like this. There’s been a noticeable sea change since Clark took over. It’s a direct correlation

My season ticket had gone up over 50% since the take over before Vinny came in to be fair.

The working class hero’s under orders to squeeze as much as he can.

 

[maws]

My season ticket had gone up over 50% since the take over before Vinny came in to be fair.

The working class hero’s under orders to squeeze as much as he can.

Which stand is that?

Mine were
£474 2018/19
£405 in 2017/18

I can’t find prices for my others but nowhere near up by 50% as I’ve not paid £250 for a season ticket in a very long time

 

[Hot Fuss]

Which stand is that?

Mine were
£474 2018/19
£405 in 2017/18

I can’t find prices for my others but nowhere near up by 50% as I’ve not paid £250 for a season ticket in a very long time

South bank £340 when Fosun came in, up to £514 for 19/20.

I agree the working class hero Vinny is pushing it even more now, but Jeffs pulling the strings. He basically employed Clark with a job of squeezing every penny he can.

 

[wayne-the-wanderer]

I do a lot of work for a Chinese ecommerce delivery company, most high placed management have been sent from China and lets just say the management style is brutal - micro management like you wouldn't believe, they run the show and they make sure everyone knows it.

Jeff is top dog at Molineux and what he says goes, he will have the final say on everything unless Guo says otherwise