Vinny Clarke OUT

[V Wolf]

If you think Jeff didn't make the final call on pricing you have no idea how chain of command works.

I literally said that it would have been signed off from above???

 

[Deleted member 8455jwf]

I literally said that it would have been signed off from above???

Then the general deserves as much if not more blame than the lieutenants

 

[WickedWolfie]

Then the general deserves as much if not more blame than the lieutenants

Pedantically if you look at Vinnie's position in the heirarchy he is more like a full Colonel than a Lieutenant. The person who actually runs the ticket office better fits that description.

 

[SuperGran]

The big problem with running a football club that I see with Jeff is that he never played football at any level so how can he, despite being at Wolves for a while, know anything at all about player performance?

99% of chairman haven’t ever played football it’s not a requirement of the role

 

[Deleted member 8455jwf]

99% of chairman haven’t ever played football it’s not a requirement of the role

The much vaunted Leicester chairman for e.g

 

[giantwolf]

The fact he was our failed youth team coach would be a good starting point. Did you ever see our U23’s whilst he was in charge? If not, take a look back circa 2018 and then ask yourself if the bloke in charge of that shambles should now be in charge of all football matters.

If you choose to ignore that, do you see any good players coming through our academy as proof of his lasting legacy?

If you want to ignore his previous jobs all together, how about our recruitment at first team level since he was promoted? William Jose. Was he a success?

Considering we already have an absolutely **** central defence and a massive lack of pace in midfield, would you trust him to sort that out? He’s a glorified youth coach that should be working at some ****ty Championship club like Barnsely, not as director of football at Wolves.

As for fat Vinny, I’ll let others explain why he is clearly incompetent. It won’t take much explaining, he’s completely out of touch with reality.

Not defending either completely, however I feel like I need to pick you up on a few things which let down your argument:

re: Scott Sellars - he was in charge of the u21s as it was then between 2014-2018 which was pretty much the dismal period (Lge 1 - championship) before Fosun took over. There wasn't ever a great investment in recruitment in the academy at that point despite being cat 1. Lets remember, recruitment for the academy often starts at a much lower age group than the u21s, so by the time they've made it up to that age, they were recruited probably before Steve Morgan was even owner but certainly in his early ownership, so frankly he had to work with what he had (lets also remember a decent number of the eligible u21 team would also have been out on loan or with the first team squad). So if we're looking at results - bear that in mind.

Since he's become academy manager 2018/19 season, we've seen the arrival of Christian Marques, Estrada, Corbeanu, Richards, Carty, Hubner, Lonwijk, Jack Scott, Arinbjornsson, Hesketh, Bueno to name a few - all players who are mostly well thought of, some now in the first team squad - some will be down to Fosun's investment, some will be down to his overseeing of recruitment whilst in charge.

Since he's been in Thelwell's position you could argue his first team recruitment has largely been overseen by Mendes and given the nod by Nuno - for all we know he could have identified and recommended loads of top talent but Nuno potentially said no.


As for Vinny, I have no defence, however I really take exception to the personal insults - his size, shape and weight have no bearing on his ability (or lack of it) to do his job so I see no reason to use it as part of his name. You used it a few times and I think its pretty poor on your part

 

[Contrarian]

99% of chairman haven’t ever played football it’s not a requirement of the role

I think our chairman may not have actually *watched* much football until he took over the role!

 

[V Wolf]

Then the general deserves as much if not more blame than the lieutenants

Ultimately, yes. If it all fails, the buck stops with Jeff Shi and Fosun. The point I was making was that the current pricing strategy itself belongs to Vinny Clarke. He was given a brief to drive revenue - how he chose to do this was his job to decide. His superiors have given his ideas the green light and will decide if he has done well or not. The big question for me will be; are they willing to let him continue to upset their core ‘customers’ or will they remove him or tell him to come up with a different strategy? As I say - if he’s still here and running us down this path come next season, his bosses are absolutely culpable and deserve the blame. If they do something about it in the meantime, then fair-dos.

 

[1972 i began]

Is there anybody at the club that Molineux Mix can't do a better job than?

It's becoming a meme that any member of staff not directly related to the playing staff is blamed for just about everything. Thelwell was given pelters for being quietly effective at his job whilst Laurie Dalrymple was regularly slated - until he left and everyone decided he was actually doing a decent job when he was here

Most of you lot love the new Castore gear - how do you know Vinny wasn't behind that also?

(Also, I know it's a Mix thing to misspell the names of our staff, but this one isn't that hard. It's Clark without an 'e')

There more important thinks to worry about than a ****ing spelling mistake.Get a life..

 

[1972 i began]

How are Prem players overpaid? Championship players are but players are compensated for the massive revenues they bring in.

If they're bringing in massive revenues,why are they fleecing the fans.? Dow even say they ay.

 

[Deleted member 8455jwf]

If they're bringing in massive revenues,why are they fleecing the fans.? Dow even say they ay.

Because they are businesses and there is demand. Why do Amazon make massive revenues and not drop prices? Why do people not complain about Jeff Bezo's flying to space when they charge small businesses money to sell on their site and destroy stock to keep prices high.

Welcome to capitalism

 

[Daveywolf]

Jez Moxey returned in disguise?

 

[The Professional]

Vinny Clarke and money- he just can’t get enough.

 

[WickedWolfie]

Vinny Clarke and money- he just can’t get enough.

Vinnie "Gordon Gecko" Clark - bet that he still wears red braces....

 

[Ironfistedmonk]

Because they are businesses and there is demand. Why do Amazon make massive revenues and not drop prices? Why do people not complain about Jeff Bezo's flying to space when they charge small businesses money to sell on their site and destroy stock to keep prices high.

Welcome to capitalism

Amazon do drop prices quite regularly though, I think Wolves will have a welcome to capitalism in the near future if they continue to raise the prices of what seems like anything and everything

 

[Bawtry Wolf]

Vinny has just got something completely wrong that forced the club to backtrack within days.

He compared our pricing to Leicester, wrongly.

He lied about us suffering losses as a reason for increasing prices. We hadn’t recorded a loss in reality.

He’s talked about ‘aligning’ to where we are as a club. There’s a thread on here that says the new pricing structure is comparable to the top six. We’ve just finished 13th.

I get your overall point that people are scapegoats on here but Vinny is proving to be bad at his job.

We did record a loss in the last published accounts. The company accounts state a £39m loss (from memory) that would’ve been a £17m profit but for COVID. A loss is a loss the rest is just reasons/excuses.

I am also fairly sure that everything said on the Ask Wolves piece was agreed beforehand, if he’d gone off piste he wouldn’t be in a job today. All of the finance figures will have been signed off by Jeff and probably the senior management team and probably the wider Board. I would imagine they’ve done all sorts of modelling, projections, benchmarking etc. I very much doubt that Vinny has arbitrarily decided on the figure, scribbled some rough figures on the back of a fag packet and announced it before checking with anyone else.

They do seem to have misjudged the fan base and mangled the comms badly. They haven’t accounted for fans lack of understanding of basic business and accounting principles and the importance of the words would have rather than did in relation to the 2019/20 accounts but more importantly Wolves have committed the biggest taboo in business, annoy your loyal customer.

If Wolves had invested in the squad early before season ticket price announcements, even knowing they would be selling Neves and/or Traore, they would’ve generated some credit to manage expectations on price increases. Doing the opposite creates uncertainty and does not align with the price increase message - very bad brand management. Wolves have now lost control over the narrative and unless they pull some players out of the hat that are 1st team ready, are quality and fit to start straight away they will be on the back foot all season and next season could be even more challenging.

 

[Hpoolfella]

Yes.

Fly me over, give me a nice house, a house maid and a big salary and watch me turn things arounds

Well tell us how you would turn this club around whilst still being sustainable?

 

[old wittonian]

We did record a loss in the last published accounts. The company accounts state a £39m loss (from memory) that would’ve been a £17m profit but for COVID. A loss is a loss the rest is just reasons/excuses.

I am also fairly sure that everything said on the Ask Wolves piece was agreed beforehand, if he’d gone off piste he wouldn’t be in a job today. All of the finance figures will have been signed off by Jeff and probably the senior management team and probably the wider Board. I would imagine they’ve done all sorts of modelling, projections, benchmarking etc. I very much doubt that Vinny has arbitrarily decided on the figure, scribbled some rough figures on the back of a fag packet and announced it before checking with anyone else.

They do seem to have misjudged the fan base and mangled the comms badly. They haven’t accounted for fans lack of understanding of basic business and accounting principles and the importance of the words would have rather than did in relation to the 2019/20 accounts but more importantly Wolves have committed the biggest taboo in business, annoy your loyal customer.

If Wolves had invested in the squad early before season ticket price announcements, even knowing they would be selling Neves and/or Traore, they would’ve generated some credit to manage expectations on price increases. Doing the opposite creates uncertainty and does not align with the price increase message - very bad brand management. Wolves have now lost control over the narrative and unless they pull some players out of the hat that are 1st team ready, are quality and fit to start straight away they will be on the back foot all season and next season could be even more challenging.

Might not be so much of a challenge in the Championship.

 

[Deleted member 7041]

Have a little patience. The way things are going tickets will be much cheaper next year

 

[Hot Fuss]

Well tell us how you would turn this club around whilst still being sustainable?

First thing I’d have done is actually completed the plans for the corner between the south bank and Steve Bull. Cost 5 weeeks of Moutinhos wages, would pay for itself it a couple of years and get 500 more people in the ground buying tickets, crappy warm lager and maybe visiting the club shop.

 

[Bill S Preston Esq.]

The big problem with running a football club that I see with Jeff is that he never played football at any level so how can he, despite being at Wolves for a while, know anything at all about player performance?

Oh I'm sure there's a direct link between having done a job and running a company that specialises in doing that job.

Before Jeff Bezoz went to space, he used to deliver paperback books in his ford transit.

 

[Bill S Preston Esq.]

The much vaunted Leicester chairman for e.g

The Thai Pelé wasn't he?

 

[Stratman Wolves]

Vinny Clarke and money- he just can’t get enough.

I liked Vinny more when he was still putting out music with Erasure. Wish he'd leave wolves and go back to that

 

[Deleted member 8455jwf]

Amazon do drop prices quite regularly though, I think Wolves will have a welcome to capitalism in the near future if they continue to raise the prices of what seems like anything and everything

Amazon squeeze small businesses more and more each year, and has succeeded in destroying many by stealing their products

 

[WeAreTheWolvesII]

We did record a loss in the last published accounts. The company accounts state a £39m loss (from memory) that would’ve been a £17m profit but for COVID. A loss is a loss the rest is just reasons/excuses.

I am also fairly sure that everything said on the Ask Wolves piece was agreed beforehand, if he’d gone off piste he wouldn’t be in a job today. All of the finance figures will have been signed off by Jeff and probably the senior management team and probably the wider Board. I would imagine they’ve done all sorts of modelling, projections, benchmarking etc. I very much doubt that Vinny has arbitrarily decided on the figure, scribbled some rough figures on the back of a fag packet and announced it before checking with anyone else.

They do seem to have misjudged the fan base and mangled the comms badly. They haven’t accounted for fans lack of understanding of basic business and accounting principles and the importance of the words would have rather than did in relation to the 2019/20 accounts but more importantly Wolves have committed the biggest taboo in business, annoy your loyal customer.

If Wolves had invested in the squad early before season ticket price announcements, even knowing they would be selling Neves and/or Traore, they would’ve generated some credit to manage expectations on price increases. Doing the opposite creates uncertainty and does not align with the price increase message - very bad brand management. Wolves have now lost control over the narrative and unless they pull some players out of the hat that are 1st team ready, are quality and fit to start straight away they will be on the back foot all season and next season could be even more challenging.

They only recorded the loss because of the deferred payment, which they were bragging about at the time.

Agree entirely that it will ultimately come from Jeff and the responsibility for the damaged relationship with fans must rest with him overall, but Vinny still has a big part to play and deserves criticism as well because this is his department.

Also agree with your last paragraph and that's a big worry, they've managed to single-handedly ruin the mood and feeling around the club due to non-footballing reasons. Looking at our first three games, I really fear how things could be come the Watford/Brentford games.

 

[Rhoswolf]

First thing I’d have done is actually completed the plans for the corner between the south bank and Steve Bull. Cost 5 weeeks of Moutinhos wages, would pay for itself it a couple of years and get 500 more people in the ground buying tickets, crappy warm lager and maybe visiting the club shop.

But what about FFP?

Not sure about the cost, strange my local cricket club can afford to erect a temporary stand when Glamorganshire visit each year, not to mention all the other venues that find the money.

 

[Deleted member yltz11841]

They only recorded the loss because of the deferred payment, which they were bragging about at the time.

Agree entirely that it will ultimately come from Jeff and the responsibility for the damaged relationship with fans must rest with him overall, but Vinny still has a big part to play and deserves criticism as well because this is his department.

Also agree with your last paragraph and that's a big worry, they've managed to single-handedly ruin the mood and feeling around the club due to non-footballing reasons. Looking at our first three games, I really fear how things could be come the Watford/Brentford games.

Probably didn't help letting Jota go to Liverpool whilst they pay a pound a week. Some other excuse will probably be put out next year probably covid, that will be used for a few years at least which will affect our club more than others, Vinny will then put the price of **** warm beer up whilst simultaneously making the toilets a pound per ****.

 

[Deleted member 8455jwf]

Probably didn't help letting Jota go to Liverpool whilst they pay a pound a week. Some other excuse will probably be put out next year probably covid, that will be used for a few years at least which will affect our club more than others, Vinny will then put the price of **** warm beer up whilst simultaneously making the toilets a pound per ****.

We owe miles more transfer fees to clubs than we are owed, this fake narrative needs to stop.

Also if the club had funded transfers earlier in summer we'd have had to go a loan out to do it and pay yet more interest. We already paid one of the most in the league in interest payments.

 

[1972 i began]

Because they are businesses and there is demand. Why do Amazon make massive revenues and not drop prices? Why do people not complain about Jeff Bezo's flying to space when they charge small businesses money to sell on their site and destroy stock to keep prices high.

Welcome to capitalism

I think Yow'm jeff Shi right hand mon.

 

[Deleted member 8455jwf]

I think Yow'm jeff Shi right hand mon.

I think you can't read a simple Company House filing. All there in black and white, I'd rather not mortgage the clubs future.

 

[old wittonian]

We owe miles more transfer fees to clubs than we are owed, this fake narrative needs to stop.

Also if the club had funded transfers earlier in summer we'd have had to go a loan out to do it and pay yet more interest. We already paid one of the most in the league in interest payments.

Does the latter suggest not living within our means and maybe poorly run ?

 

[Deleted member 8455jwf]

Does that suggest not living within our means and maybe poorly run ?

I mean we are living within our means but we wouldn't be if we splurged on players. We are a small profit making club but one who can't spend extravagantly without investment from owners. Our wages to turnover rate is very low, which is I think one of the best ways to judge how a club is run. It's basically down to growing revenue, I don't agree with ticket price rises at all because it is a paltry sum because I understand why they are happening but that is the ethos of an investment group - although it could bite them on the **** down the line.

 

[thisisgil]

I think you can't read a simple Company House filing. All there in black and white, I'd rather not mortgage the clubs future.

Exactly. I'm bemused at the shock that the extremely successful native Chinese businessman, who is the chairman of the sports group of a multi billion dollar international conglomerate did not buy Wolves because it's the club of his boyhood dreams and instead sees it as an investment.

 

[Deleted member yltz11841]

I mean we are living within our means but we wouldn't be if we splurged on players. We are a small profit making club but one who can't spend extravagantly without investment from owners. Our wages to turnover rate is very low, which is I think one of the best ways to judge how a club is run. It's basically down to growing revenue, I don't agree with ticket price rises at all because it is a paltry sum because I understand why they are happening but that is the ethos of an investment group - although it could bite them on the **** down the line.

So without any owner investment we basically have no money unless we sell? we are a player trading platform now.

 

[Deleted member 8455jwf]

So without any owner investment we basically have no money unless we sell? FFP means **** all then as we a player trading platform now.

I think we will have a budget every year, not like nothing but same as a lot of clubs in our position it will largely be buy to sell, see flavour of the month Leicester.

 

[thisisgil]

So without any owner investment we basically have no money unless we sell? we are a player trading platform now.

I think the idea is that we eventually break that cycle. I'm fairly certain that's what Fosun are moving towards and step 1 in that process is to at least make the club self sufficient.

The way they decided to do that is by front loading the player purchases and funding those out of profit on a long term low interest loan. Players are good enough for the Prem, we pull in the TV revenue and still have enough to repay the loan and interest payments and add to the playing staff incrementally.

 

[Deleted member yltz11841]

I think the idea is that we eventually break that cycle. I'm fairly certain that's what Fosun are moving towards and step 1 in that process is to at least make the club self sufficient.

The way they decided to do that is by front loading the player purchases and funding those out of profit on a long term low interest loan. Players are good enough for the Prem, we pull in the TV revenue and still have enough to repay the loan and interest payments and add to the playing staff incrementally.

Sounds excellent so any young players that gets any good gets sold to just reinvest in more young players to rinse and repeat whilst treading water.

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

They only recorded the loss because of the deferred payment, which they were bragging about at the time.

Agree entirely that it will ultimately come from Jeff and the responsibility for the damaged relationship with fans must rest with him overall, but Vinny still has a big part to play and deserves criticism as well because this is his department.

Also agree with your last paragraph and that's a big worry, they've managed to single-handedly ruin the mood and feeling around the club due to non-footballing reasons. Looking at our first three games, I really fear how things could be come the Watford/Brentford games.

All the talk of "damaged relationships", "ruined moods" and "feelings about the club" will be an absolute thing of the past if we are in the top 6 at christmas, fundamentally football fans are as fickle as it comes. The same ones banging on about Bruno's lack of experience and crying in their cornflakes daily at the moment about NES going will be shouting "nuno who"

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

Sounds excellent so any young players get that get any good get sold to just reinvest in more young players to rinse and repeat whilst treading water.

Bet you miss the days of treading water in the championship with the likes of Saville and Edwards in midfield.

 

[whitnash wolf ex.dewsbury]

Bet you miss the days of treading water in the championship with the likes of Saville and Edwards in midfield.

which was better than than being relegated to the 4th division