The Death of Football, R.I.P.

[Bill S Preston Esq.]

They couldn't care one bit, unfortunately, but it is sad.

There's too much money involved for them to accept wrong decisions. Even if VAR isn't perfect, the numbers suggest it gets more right than previously.

You can retain goal line technology (maybe keep cameras on the goal line to avoid a Sheffield U v Villa situation) and semi automatic offsides (which from what I've seen, works).

But scrap VAR. I believe the consensus among fans is we'd sooner accept human error without VAR than human error after using it, while also killing the buzz and delaying the game so much.

The killer for me, is them wasting five minutes reviewing a decision and still getting it wrong.

The fans need to unite in protest against VAR as they did with the ESL, there's no denying, that protest worked.

 

[Bill S Preston Esq.]

Who said it’s fantastic? Not me.

They missed it because they made a terrible mistake. Which they rightly apologised for, not that it helps us.

I’m bringing balance to this. VAR could have kept Burnley up by intervening yesterday.

Whether you’re a fan of it or not, that should be acknowledged and seen as a pretty big deal.

Earlier in your argument you mentioned that fans weren't threatening to walk away from football because of VAR after the first bad decision (Boly v Leicester) on day one.

It's because at the time most fans were accepting of the fact mistakes would be made on day one and hopeful the technology would ultimately be used with minimal error, bias and to the betterment of the game...

Roll on five years, and it hasn't. The officials are no better at coming to the correct decision than they were on day one.

Nuno's comments regarding the disallowed goal that day are as relevant today as they were then...

"What I'm concerned about is, let's not ruin the game," said Nuno.

"It's what fans come for, to celebrate a goal, not to celebrate a no goal - that's not the real celebration of football.

"It's not good for the atmosphere of football. The Leicester fans were celebrating the no goal. That's not the mindset of the game. Six months ago it would've been a goal, so that is an issue for VAR.

"We have such a nice Premier League, such a product, we cannot lose that. Two minutes the game stopped. The anxiety of us celebrating, then we waited - it's not the spirit of the game."

Scrap VAR.

 

[Bill S Preston Esq.]

Who said it’s fantastic? Not me.

They missed it because they made a terrible mistake. Which they rightly apologised for, not that it helps us.

I’m bringing balance to this. VAR could have kept Burnley up by intervening yesterday.

Whether you’re a fan of it or not, that should be acknowledged and seen as a pretty big deal.

Surely officials keeping up with play, see the foul in real time. VAR shouldn't even have been required in this instance.

 

[The Clock]

That hasn't been true for many years in the PL. Fans coming through the gate is a minor part of the money the elite clubs make. If they all stopped coming tomorrow, AI would soon take care of creating the visual and auditory impression of a large crowd to please the armchair fan

Interesting, but not likely.
AI would realise if it can reproduce the crowd/atmosphere it could produce the matches.
Little point in spending all that money on wages or maintaining stadiums.
Everything becomes virtual and you can choose whether your team always wins or the random option.
Sit on your backside at home with your VR goggles on talking to the imaginary person next to you.
The heating system in your house recreates the weather.
Deliveroo brings a pint and a Greggs sausage roll

 

[Watfordfc]

That hasn't been true for many years in the PL. Fans coming through the gate is a minor part of the money the elite clubs make. If they all stopped coming tomorrow, AI would soon take care of creating the visual and auditory impression of a large crowd to please the armchair fan

The TV companies might pay less if there are empty seats though?

Sad isn’t it really to think match going fans make no difference.

 

[WickedWolfie]

The TV companies might pay less if there are empty seats though?

Sad isn’t it really to think match going fans make no difference.

The season during lockdown proved the fallacy of that last sentence.

 

[Sammy Chungs Tracksuit]

The season during lockdown proved the fallacy of that last sentence.

That proves nothing. People were stuck at home with very little in the way of entertainment opportunities. Premier League Football even with empty stadiums was a welcome diversion.

 

[Sammy Chungs Tracksuit]

Interesting, but not likely.
AI would realise if it can reproduce the crowd/atmosphere it could produce the matches.
Little point in spending all that money on wages or maintaining stadiums.
Everything becomes virtual and you can choose whether your team always wins or the random option.
Sit on your backside at home with your VR goggles on talking to the imaginary person next to you.
The heating system in your house recreates the weather.
Deliveroo brings a pint and a Greggs sausage roll

I think the PGMOL must be using VR Goggles.
The muppets certainly seem to operate in a completely alternate version of everyone elses reality.

 

[BridgnorthWolf Inc]

PGMOL's Howard Webb speaks out on disallowed Max Kilman goal vs West Ham

Chief operating officer at PGMOL Howard Webb has given his explanation as to why Max Kilman's disallowed goal vs West Ham United was the correct decision.

www.expressandstar.com

Webb "we all want consistency don't we?"

The irony of that statement.....Deluded fool.

 

[Willywolf]

PGMOL's Howard Webb speaks out on disallowed Max Kilman goal vs West Ham

Chief operating officer at PGMOL Howard Webb has given his explanation as to why Max Kilman's disallowed goal vs West Ham United was the correct decision.

www.expressandstar.com

Webb "we all want consistency don't we?"

The irony of that statement.....Deluded fool.

Mentions disallowing a goal in Man Utd match but doesn’t reference the Man City one that stood! Nice and consistent Howard.

 

[Oliwolf44]

NBC Sports 'push' for 39th Premier League game in USA with Richard Masters and Co. 'very 'open'

NBC Sports are in talks to host Premier League games in the United States, with Richard Masters and Co. said to be "very receptive" to the idea.

www.football365.com

No FA Cup replays but Richard Masters is open to 39th game in the USA! Global league is coming people.

 

[Very Proud (AKA Still Proud)]

Webb used a classic tactic there where he knows they're in the wrong. Firstly over explains, me thinks he doth protest too much type scenario, he explains it theoretically, ignoring the point that Chirewa didn't actually impede Fabianski's line of sight. Then he uses an example proving his point, ignoring others that similar ours. Then hits you with the, this is what you asked us to do clincher the totally ironic "I think we want consistency don't we?" it's your fault not ours.

What an utter load of *******s.

 

[Very Proud (AKA Still Proud)]

NBC Sports 'push' for 39th Premier League game in USA with Richard Masters and Co. 'very 'open'

NBC Sports are in talks to host Premier League games in the United States, with Richard Masters and Co. said to be "very receptive" to the idea.

www.football365.com

No FA Cup replays but Richard Masters is open to 39th game in the USA! Global league is coming people.

To be honest I'd be happy for the Premier League to become global, with the Manchester twins, LiVARpool, The Arsenal/Spuds combo and The Chelsea Bluebottles all leaving us to reform the English Football League, with no connection between the two.

It's so obvious where they want to go with this might as well just bite the bullet now!

Oh and who better than PGMOL to be their match day officials?

 

[Oliwolf44]

To be honest I'd be happy for the Premier League to become global, with the Manchester twins, LiVARpool, The Arsenal/Spuds combo and The Chelsea Bluebottles all leaving us to reform the English Football League, with no connection between the two.

It's so obvious where they want to go with this might as well just bite the bullet now!

Oh and who better than PGMOL to be their match day officials?

agree more and more now that everyone would be better if they just ****** off. Catch 22 though as other owners in the prem would never want them to leave and so give more concessions and let them have their cake and eat it and compete in both with b teams etc

 

[topcat99]

NBC Sports 'push' for 39th Premier League game in USA with Richard Masters and Co. 'very 'open'

NBC Sports are in talks to host Premier League games in the United States, with Richard Masters and Co. said to be "very receptive" to the idea.

www.football365.com

No FA Cup replays but Richard Masters is open to 39th game in the USA! Global league is coming people.

I can just hear Pep, Klopps replacement and the usual suspects whining on about “Too many games, blah blah” then :

“Oooo a game in New York, bring it on”

 

[Frank Lincoln]

Webb used a classic tactic there where he knows they're in the wrong. Firstly over explains, me thinks he doth protest too much type scenario, he explains it theoretically, ignoring the point that Chirewa didn't actually impede Fabianski's line of sight. Then he uses an example proving his point, ignoring others that similar ours. Then hits you with the, this is what you asked us to do clincher the totally ironic "I think we want consistency don't we?" it's your fault not ours.

What an utter load of *******s.

The worrying thing is that he probably thinks all is rosy with VAR. I am sure he makes it up as he goes along.

 

[Very Proud (AKA Still Proud)]

The worrying thing is that he probably thinks all is rosy with VAR. I am sure he makes it up as he goes along.

They are all delusional, in constant denial, fail to accept any criticism and keep on trying to fix something that is broken beyond repair.

 

[Frank Lincoln]

They are all delusional, in constant denial, fail to accept any criticism and keep on trying to fix something that is broken beyond repair.

Agreed. The sad thing is it wasn’t broken until the PGMOL got involved in it.

 

[thommo1984]

To be honest I'd be happy for the Premier League to become global, with the Manchester twins, LiVARpool, The Arsenal/Spuds combo and The Chelsea Bluebottles all leaving us to reform the English Football League, with no connection between the two.

It's so obvious where they want to go with this might as well just bite the bullet now!

Oh and who better than PGMOL to be their match day officials?

Yep, sooner the big fish **** off to the super league the better tbh. Let the rest of us get on with a proper competition again.

 

[Jefe]

PGMOL's Howard Webb speaks out on disallowed Max Kilman goal vs West Ham

Chief operating officer at PGMOL Howard Webb has given his explanation as to why Max Kilman's disallowed goal vs West Ham United was the correct decision.

www.expressandstar.com

Webb "we all want consistency don't we?"

The irony of that statement.....Deluded fool.

Owen a complete flannel as usual to not push Webb's claim of a "factual matter" that Chirewa was clearly obstructing Fabianski's vision. The VAR official literally said it was a subjective call, so why does 'clear and obvious' not apply? I agree 100% with Mark Halsey on this one, they are simply making it up as they go along:

Fabianski can clearly see, and move if he wants to move. That header came at pace. If that player (Chirewa) was six or seven yards away, Fabianski would not have got that ball. He would not have saved it, so he didn’t interfere with his line of vision. It’s about knowing the game, they’ve manipulated the law. OK you can say it’s subjective. Well if it’s subjective. If it’s subjective, then why has VAR got involved?!

 

[Big Saft Kid]

To be honest I'd be happy for the Premier League to become global, with the Manchester twins, LiVARpool, The Arsenal/Spuds combo and The Chelsea Bluebottles all leaving us to reform the English Football League, with no connection between the two.

It's so obvious where they want to go with this might as well just bite the bullet now!

Oh and who better than PGMOL to be their match day officials?

Interestingly., not one of Yanited, Citeh, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs or Chelsea were among the 12 founder members of the Football League.

 

[Sussex Wolf]

Webb used a classic tactic there where he knows they're in the wrong. Firstly over explains, me thinks he doth protest too much type scenario, he explains it theoretically, ignoring the point that Chirewa didn't actually impede Fabianski's line of sight. Then he uses an example proving his point, ignoring others that similar ours. Then hits you with the, this is what you asked us to do clincher the totally ironic "I think we want consistency don't we?" it's your fault not ours.

What an utter load of *******s.

Tries to argue it’s a clear cut ruled out goal, when every retired referee who’s commented on this, and the Man Utd incident he referenced, as “subjective” calls. Of course he completely fails to reference the Man City goal which was given in similar circumstances, demonstrating just how subjective this type of decision is.

It’s utter bulls doodas.

 

[thommo1984]

Sorry if I've missed this discussed elsewhere, but.....christ.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1785345106024759554

 

[Superted]

I still can't get my head around what an attacker standing in an offside position (who can't be offside from the corner itself) is supposed to do to not be offside from any subsequent attempt at goal not made by themselves. Is Webb suggesting they have to either get themselves into an on-side position or so far out of the way that they can't be deemed to be interfering, all in the second it takes for the ball to reach the box from the corner?

Theoretically it makes it impossible to legally mark the keeper at a corner unless the defending team puts a man/men on the post. I've said before, the defending team could just wait for an attacker to mark the keeper then play an offside line and they'd never concede a legitimate goal from a corner ever again.

I don't ever remember any goals like this being disallowed in previous seasons. Surely there are loads of examples of similar scenarios?

 

[WickedWolfie]

I still can't get my head around what an attacker standing in an offside position (who can't be offside from the corner itself) is supposed to do to not be offside from any subsequent attempt at goal not made by themselves. Is Webb suggesting they have to either get themselves into an on-side position or so far out of the way that they can't be deemed to be interfering, all in the second it takes for the ball to reach the box from the corner?

Theoretically it makes it impossible to legally mark the keeper at a corner unless the defending team puts a man/men on the post. I've said before, the defending team could just wait for an attacker to mark the keeper then play an offside line and they'd never concede a legitimate goal from a corner ever again.

I don't ever remember any goals like this being disallowed in previous seasons. Surely there are loads of examples of similar scenarios?

Webb is, as usual, talking self-serving *******s.

 

[WW1963]

Webb used a classic tactic there where he knows they're in the wrong. Firstly over explains, me thinks he doth protest too much type scenario, he explains it theoretically, ignoring the point that Chirewa didn't actually impede Fabianski's line of sight. Then he uses an example proving his point, ignoring others that similar ours. Then hits you with the, this is what you asked us to do clincher the totally ironic "I think we want consistency don't we?" it's your fault not ours.

What an utter load of *******s.

That's how narcissists operate.

 

[WickedWolfie]

That's how narcissists operate.

DARVO at its finest....

DARVO - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Watfordfc]

I still can't get my head around what an attacker standing in an offside position (who can't be offside from the corner itself) is supposed to do to not be offside from any subsequent attempt at goal not made by themselves. Is Webb suggesting they have to either get themselves into an on-side position or so far out of the way that they can't be deemed to be interfering, all in the second it takes for the ball to reach the box from the corner?

Theoretically it makes it impossible to legally mark the keeper at a corner unless the defending team puts a man/men on the post. I've said before, the defending team could just wait for an attacker to mark the keeper then play an offside line and they'd never concede a legitimate goal from a corner ever again.

I don't ever remember any goals like this being disallowed in previous seasons. Surely there are loads of examples of similar scenarios?

Ben White surely must have been offside for Arsenal's 3rd goal v Spurs as he was on the keeper's toes for example?

 

[JOSWolf]

Absolute shambles. What is the point anymore?

 

[Scallywolf]

Absolute shambles. What is the point anymore?

RIP football as we know it!

 

[oldgolded]

It is what it is. I'm resigned to it now.

 

[Jawwfc]

I think we'd enjoy it more if we let them form that super league (providing they aren't allowed a domestic team) and if the take Webb, Attwell etc with them.

 

[JOSWolf]

Pawson up there with one of the most biased refereeing performances I have seen this season. Woeful officiating.

 

[Wolf 82]

Sorry if I've missed this discussed elsewhere, but.....christ.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1785345106024759554

This is pretty much identical to the Semedo one earlier.. plays the standing foot when through on goal. No consistency at all.

 

[Jawwfc]

This is pretty much identical to the Semedo one earlier.. plays the standing foot when through on goal. No consistency at all.

Attwell as well.

 

[Sussex Wolf]

Attwell as well.

The explanation would apply equally well today, but because of the teams playing, a very different outcome. I’m long past being surprised. I guess the only surprise was that it only took them 9 mins to decide they needed to screw us over. Maybe their aim today was to ensure a big win to narrow goal difference?

 

[Watfordfc]

Tough for you to take that one.

They might have won easily but gives City an early leg up doesn't it.

 

[theweave]

Biggest gripe is them getting both decisions. If the first one isn't enough of an error to overturn then how is the second?

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

First pen for me soft

Second pen yes it’s a pen

Still is what it is. Top 2 clubs get these decisions

 

[Monketron]

You think VAR is bad here...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1786834930246300132

Ref sees this in SLOW MOTION and still decides it's a red card. Flabbergasted. It can't be anything but pure EGO to not want to admit making a mistake originally.