Sedgley Gold N Black
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It’s just crazy, the player isn’t even trying to play the ball just fouling Cunha (and then impedes Doc after).
Same for me(my son is 7).
We've decided to knock it on the head and will do a FL 'tour' next season, going to random(!) games at lower league grounds. He honestly can't wait. We'll get a membership so can go.to a few games if we want, but even he is sick of VAR now.
How do you fix it though?The point is VAR is not some AI system or a group of independent experts, it’s simply the same corrupt, biased, incompetent idiots given even more power to interfere with the game. Until you can fix PGMOL, VAR will just continue to make officiating worse.
Just use VAR for penalties and red cards. The game has usually stopped at those points anyway. Everything else go back to instant decisions by on field match officials.How do you fix it though?
Unless something clever enough to match the speed of a linesman's raised arm (which we always looked for in the old days) is invented, how can you remove the lingering doubt as to whether a goal is really a goal? Its this that is by far the biggest problem of VAR for me (not the incompetence of the officials or debate over decisions).
Yeah remember when we just used to have a quick glance at the linesman when we scored, flag down, go nuts. Simple as that. No fear it might be disallowed 5 minutes later.How do you fix it though?
Unless something clever enough to match the speed of a linesman's raised arm (which we always looked for in the old days) is invented, how can you remove the lingering doubt as to whether a goal is really a goal? Its this that is by far the biggest problem of VAR for me (not the incompetence of the officials or debate over decisions).
It’s ridiculius from Cunha and is a straight red and season over if he connects with Kluivert.Cunha was fouled, just as he was seconds before the throw when the same player aggressively/recklessly charged at him without an attempt to play the ball.
It was as much self defence, it’s also very debatable if Cunha then even touches him or the player just backs away.
That check at the end was all for show. To make it look like they do proper checks, we all knew it was offside, just full of their own self importance.Yep, and did anyone really believe that check at the end would mean they’d give the goal? It’s so tedious.
I beg to differ, he was never getting to the ball and closing down his man, it's an off the ball incident. Wasn't a clear and obvious error.The decision tonight was correct.
Whether we like it or not it was.
If it was the other way around we'd be saying why has he not been sent off. Cunha lashed out at a player who was involved in the build up. It's the correct decision.
We were absolute garbage tonight. That's not down to VAR.
This is what is required.I heard 40 kids from the Family Enclosure walked out once Atwell disallowed the Hwang header.
He was obviously off wasnt he, so it was almost staged for dramatic effect. PatheticYep, and did anyone really believe that check at the end would mean they’d give the goal? It’s so tedious.
Fascinating read and completely agree with every word.The very first game of 2019-2020, when perhaps ignorantly, I didn't even know VAR was a thing, we had a perfectly fine goal away at Leicester chalked out. From that day, Nuno said it would ruin the moments in football matches we love. He was right. I knew in that moment, when I stood in the ground having got a spare ticket, what the **** is this and what the **** have they done to the game. How do we celebrate a goal? My love for football was built on the excitement of the ball hitting the net, sharing the ecstacy with loved ones and equally random ones around me. From that day on, I knew that had been taken away from us. And for what?
Gradually, it has led to where we are at today. Whether it was/is factually the correct decision or not, is a seperate thing. The game now looks for reasons to disallow goals. It scrutines the entire play leading up to a goal. That is not the game I fell in love with. The beautiful game it was once called. It was never called the perfect game and do you know what, debating refereeing decisions was always a talking point after the game. It was part of the 90mins of the emotion of the game. Emotion, something that this has ripped from the game.
I gave up my ST in 2019 (end of first year prem) due to spending more of my retirement in Tenerife, I must have only attended 30-40% of those games and honestly, it seemed disingenuous, especially as others could also have that seat.
So it was that as well as a financial/convenience/Mrs Walsall decision. But make no mistakes, given my sentimental and love for the club and memories, it was the hardest thing I ever had to do. But if I knew then what I knew now about how the game has become, it's the easiest and most sensible thing I have ever done in hindsight. I loved the 50-60 years or so I've had on the North/South bank watching the beautiful game. But I don't love this. I am grateful for that, that I had that at least. I just feel sorry for say the 20+ age category. Who have had a taste of football without VAR and are now subject to this.
I think a big blame for this is actually Sky/MOTD/pundits. Don't forget all those experts sat there on national TV, lambasting football decisions pre 2019. It led to this. I find them so hypocritical now when they slam VAR.
VAR is going nowhere but I suspect proper football fans are. Thing is, it is shocking full stop. But at least if you are in the comfort of your own home, or watching in a bar/pub/whatever, you know more about what is going on. It is another nod to this all being about Sky/Broadcasting. I'm the ground, you have absolutely no idea what is going on. This WILL lead the dedicated proper football fan away from football grounds, make no mistake. They will walk. They would rather be at home or in the pub watching this. And I think what we will be left with in football grounds is simply tourists and day trippers. And that makes me so sad.
That’s the issue. Should it have been reviewed by VARI beg to differ, he was never getting to the ball and closing down his man, it's an off the ball incident. Wasn't a clear and obvious error.
But agree Cunha should have been sent off
I know watching in telly you get more information than being in the stadium, but don't be fooled into thinking VAR has been created for the TV audience. It's just as tedious in another way. Watching three or four minutes of the same replay to find a 'clear and obvious' isn't what I want to see. VAR was created because players, coaches, and yes some fans were moaning about bad decisions and the authorities tried to do something to solve it. But like a game a Whac-A-Mole it just created other problems.
Imagine a season without goals. VAR has done its job. Last day of the season, 20 teams in with a shout of the title & 20 keepers contesting the Golden Glove.
It is soul destroying. But they don’t care we aren’t a top 6 clubI really don't know how anyone, watching on TV or not, can honestly say VAR is a benefit to the game. It's absolutely terrible watching replay after replay and thinking they are going to disallow this/give the pen/send him off (thinking Boly for trees here). I only saw the Brighton home match so didn't get to "enjoy" VAR live, but it must be absolutely soul destroying in the stadium week in week out
Ironically, this is the highest scoring Premier League season.
I wouldn't say I like it haha! I just hated how it was previously more so.You say that you like VAR, but it is the officials who are terrible. Fair enough, but it is those same terrible officials who are in the VAR room.
You are perfectly entitled to your opinion, but I just can’t understand how anyone can like VAR and what it has done to the game.
I did say the same the other day, but let's not forget that now the last two 'goals' we've properly scored, checked the ref, checked the lino, made sure there aren't any appeals from the opposition, then gone mental - still ruled out by VAR for forensically spotted non-offences.I wouldn't say I like it haha! I just hated how it was previously more so.
The issue I have now is that, for example, Forest are fuming with VAR after Sunday. Yet if you remove VAR, as they wish, they still get no penalties. What would be happening if they were denied three penalties (IMO) in a crucial relegation match? They'd have sent out a tweet demanding VAR is brought in.
With us, the majority of our decisions have still been referee mistakes.
Take away VAR, we still don't get a penalty at Old Trafford. Luton still get a terrible penalty against us. Sheffield United and Newcastle both get penalties for dives. Fulham still get a terrible penalty against us.
So, for our injustices, the majority of incidents have been a lack of VAR involvement.
Because VAR is available, people rightly dig them out. However, the main point has to be that without VAR, we were still getting cheated, so that just can't be the solution.
As I mentioned in a previous post, I didn’t see any complaints by any Bournemouth players, even Kluivert himself.Cunha was fouled, just as he was seconds before the throw when the same player aggressively/recklessly charged at him without an attempt to play the ball.
It was as much self defence, it’s also very debatable if Cunha then even touches him or the player just backs away.
Yep, I agree. They've been poor decisions as well.I did say the same the other day, but let's not forget that now the last two 'goals' we've properly scored, checked the ref, checked the lino, made sure there aren't any appeals from the opposition, then gone mental - still ruled out by VAR for forensically spotted non-offences.
I know we've done it all before, but Chirewa has no effect on the play once the ball is headed and he becomes offside, Cunha swings an arm recklessly, but only as he is shoved from behind in the back and at the most he brushes Kluivert and it has no effect on the play.Yep, I agree. They've been poor decisions as well.
I strongly feel the Kilman one was wrong, but, in hindsight, there is logic to it.
Last night is an atrocious call.
But the point still stands, and for many clubs moaning. Most of the VAR complaints stem from them not getting involved.
Cannot describe the anger I felt searing through me. The morning after it's all hitting home now and I am very ****ed off.I'm seething still about that decision.
If there hadn't been VAR in operation at the Everton v Forest game then the referee may well have awarded them a spot kick though.I wouldn't say I like it haha! I just hated how it was previously more so.
The issue I have now is that, for example, Forest are fuming with VAR after Sunday. Yet if you remove VAR, as they wish, they still get no penalties. What would be happening if they were denied three penalties (IMO) in a crucial relegation match? They'd have sent out a tweet demanding VAR is brought in.
With us, the majority of our decisions have still been referee mistakes.
Take away VAR, we still don't get a penalty at Old Trafford. Luton still get a terrible penalty against us. Sheffield United and Newcastle both get penalties for dives. Fulham still get a terrible penalty against us.
So, for our injustices, the majority of incidents have been a lack of VAR involvement.
Because VAR is available, people rightly dig them out. However, the main point has to be that without VAR, we were still getting cheated, so that just can't be the solution.