Tackling a couple of modding points that have cropped up in recent days.

[Mutchy]

From @bod101 and myself.

We want to make it clear that use or inclusion of nationality in a derogatory or insulting way is not okay, and is not something we want to see here. This isn't open to argument or a splitting hairs discussion. If seen - and we realise we can't see everything - it will be moderated.

Treatment of fellow posters.
Anything you post here is open to agreement, disagreement, challenge, and you post on that understanding. If you constantly receive a negative reaction it may be reasonable to think you should take a look at your posting - possibly more how you put yourself across than your actual views. Both positive and negative opinions play their part in discussions and have a place on the forum.
We don't want to see anyone being targeted or picked on, and be mindful this can cross the line into bullying, even if perhaps unwittingly, when a number of people join in agreement, or 'for a laugh'.
Feuds will end up with you moderated, as will repeatedly looking to provoke or attack a fellow MolMix member, which we also see happening.
We know that summer can be silly season, but just accept that you all have the same right to enjoy the forum please folks. Thanks.

 

[Thank you Sir Jack]

Yeah, but, no but....

 

[CologneWolf]

The denigration of Australians and their character in the Ashes thread has been very upsetting. It’s just cricket and it can’t be helped that we are better at it than our English foes.

#itscominghome

 

[SuperGran]

We want to make it clear that use or inclusion of nationality in a derogatory or insulting way is not okay, and is not something we want to see here. This isn't open to argument or a splitting hairs discussion. If seen - and we realise we can't see everything - it will be moderated.

This would apply to Irish/Welsh jokes I presume

 

[VancouverWolf]

This would apply to Irish/Welsh jokes I presume

Hopefully but we’ll see.

 

[Wolf316]

This would apply to Irish/Welsh jokes I presume

Englishman, Irishman and a Welshman walk into a bar Barman says is this some sort of joke?

 

[wolfslair]

Englishman, Irishman and a Welshman walk into a bar Barman says is this some sort of joke?

No, just the average make up of the British and Irish lions squad…… haha

 

[Kennedy]

The revolution is devouring its own children..

 

[sedgwolf1980]

With regards second point, agree wholeheartedly. Should go without saying.

With regards the first point though, Jesus Christ….

 

[Longford Wolf]

I’m from England, if I get called an English ****, what term is derogatory? One of them is fact, the other is an insult. Please can you clear this up for me. Can we still call Gomes, and Cunha our Brazilian stars or not.

 

[Mutchy]

I’m from England, if I get called an English ****, what term is derogatory? One of them is fact, the other is an insult. Please can you clear this up for me. Can we still call Gomes, and Cunha our Brazilian stars or not.

Is Brazilian stars derogatory? The post is clear enough.

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

I’m from England, if I get called an English ****, what term is derogatory? One of them is fact, the other is an insult. Please can you clear this up for me. Can we still call Gomes, and Cunha our Brazilian stars or not.

Here you go, see if this helps

Crime and Disorder Act 1998 (as amended)
This Act created a number of specific offences of racially aggravated crime, based on offences of wounding, assault, damage, harassment and threatening/abusive behaviour. The Act defines "racial group" as a group of persons defined by reference to race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origins.

An amendment (December 2001) extended the scope of the Act by creating new specific religiously aggravated offences. The Act defines "religious group" as a group of persons defined by reference to religious belief or lack of religious belief.

 

[Thank you Sir Jack]

Chaps/chapesses - I think that it is a very fairly worded ruling, and even if we don't agree with some aspects of it - them's the rules.

 

[Wolfster]

Englishman, Irishman and a Welshman walk into a bar Barman says is this some sort of joke?

Did you just assume their gender?!

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

I’m from England, if I get called an English ****, what term is derogatory? One of them is fact, the other is an insult. Please can you clear this up for me. Can we still call Gomes, and Cunha our Brazilian stars or not.

It’s really not hard to understand

 

[Bostin]

Basically, just stop being a bunch of pr*cks

 

[Mutchy]

Basically, just stop being a bunch of pr*cks

*warns Boston for swear filter evasion, then makes him/her a Mod*

 

[Longford Wolf]

Here you go, see if this helps

Crime and Disorder Act 1998 (as amended)
This Act created a number of specific offences of racially aggravated crime, based on offences of wounding, assault, damage, harassment and threatening/abusive behaviour. The Act defines "racial group" as a group of persons defined by reference to race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origins.

An amendment (December 2001) extended the scope of the Act by creating new specific religiously aggravated offences. The Act defines "religious group" as a group of persons defined by reference to religious belief or lack of religious belief.

Thanks for that, I’m not being a nugget for the sake of it, but where does it state that calling someone English or Welsh is against the law.
Again I’m not trying to stir things, just confused

 

[Bostin]

*warns Boston for swear filter evasion, then makes him/her a Mod*

Well somebody had to say it!

Don’t even get me started on all the puns derailing every thread….

 

[Longford Wolf]

It’s really not hard to understand

Thanks for the clarity

 

[sedgwolf1980]

At what stage do we just go the whole hog and rename the site ‘Guardian comments section’.

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

Thanks for that, I’m not being a nugget for the sake of it, but where does it state that calling someone English or Welsh is against the law.
Again I’m not trying to stir things, just confused

Well it doesn't because it isn't. What is says is that it depends on context.

If you call someone a ****ing b******d in a threatening way it's a crime.

Call them a ****ing Welsh b******d and you've just potentially aggravated that crime.

The nationality become part of the insult and therefore assumed to be used as an insult. In the case on here that kicked it off it was 'Welsh Joker', which could of course be Max Boyce and not an issue, but as the post ended with "thinks he’s funny but really he’s just an annoying git" maybe not (although let's not get into an argument over the merits of Mr Boyce's humour!)

 

[Spitfire]

Well it doesn't because it isn't. What is says is that it depends on context.

If you call someone a ****ing b******d in a threatening way it's a crime.

Call them a ****ing Welsh b******d and you've just potentially aggravated that crime.

The nationality become part of the insult and therefore assumed to be used as an insult. In the case on here that kicked it off it was 'Welsh Joker', which could of course be Max Bygraves and not an issue, but as the post ended with "thinks he’s funny but really he’s just an annoying git" maybe not (although let's not get into an argument over the merits of Mr Bygraves humour!)

Do you mean Max Boyce?

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

Do you mean Max Boyce?

**** sake, thanks! Thought I was showing my age, now realise I was REALLY showing my age (in more ways than one)! Quick edit, let's hope nobody notices!

 

[Mutchy]

**** sake, thanks! Thought I was showing my age, now realise I was REALLY showing my age (in more ways than one)! Quick edit, let's hope nobody notices!

Checked the edit… just glad I wasn’t drinking at the time!

 

[George AlooGobi]

I’m from England, if I get called an English ****, what term is derogatory? One of them is fact, the other is an insult. Please can you clear this up for me. Can we still call Gomes, and Cunha our Brazilian stars or not.

Yeah, you just can't call any of them a Brazilian donkey - if I understand this ruling correctly

 

[glorybox]

Well somebody had to say it!

Don’t even get me started on all the puns derailing every thread….

Perhaps we need training.

 

[Edinburgh Wolf]

If you could all stop using terms like "Jocks" or "Sweaties" as well, that would be great. I find them slightly offensive, hugely unfunny and incredibly cringeworthy. Embarrassing stuff in all honesty.

Scottish ***** is fine with me though; not to mention surprisingly accurate!

 

[North West Wanderer]

If you could all stop using terms like "Jocks" or "Sweaties" as well, that would be great. I find them slightly offensive, hugely unfunny and incredibly cringeworthy. Embarrassing stuff in all honesty.

Scottish ***** is fine with me though; not to mention surprisingly accurate!

speak for yourself!!

 

[WalsallWolf]

Blimey..

 

[Bill S Preston Esq.]

Here you go, see if this helps

Crime and Disorder Act 1998 (as amended)
This Act created a number of specific offences of racially aggravated crime, based on offences of wounding, assault, damage, harassment and threatening/abusive behaviour. The Act defines "racial group" as a group of persons defined by reference to race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origins.

An amendment (December 2001) extended the scope of the Act by creating new specific religiously aggravated offences. The Act defines "religious group" as a group of persons defined by reference to religious belief or lack of religious belief.

Basically, the Cornish are fair game. Until they gain independence obviously, then they're not!

This actually poses more questions than answers. The Welsh are not a nationality any more than the English are. England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are constituent regions of the same nation.

If I can call someone from Wolverhampton a yam yam, I can call a Welshman a taffy, or a Scot a Jock or a sweaty!

Can't I?

 

[WKFWolf]

Well somebody had to say it!

Don’t even get me started on all the puns derailing every thread….

Don't start that train off again

 

[Pagey]

Can we still call people from the Anfield vicinity scouse ****s, asking for a friend?

 

[Wall heath Wanderer]

Can't we still call people from the Anfield vicinity scouse ****s, asking for a friend?

More importantly, can we still refer to west brom fans as inbred *******s, or do we need to drop the west brom bit?

 

[Mugwump]

I'm struggling to see any deregatory comments about somebodies nationality. The worst i've seen is the Welsh joker comment. Wouldnt say its derogatory.

 

[Woodsetton Wolf]

Worlds gone mad I tell ya

 

[tamwolf]

There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures. And the Dutch.

 

[Golden Arrow]

Crikey; I'm off to the Transfers thread with the vain hope there's some news.

 

[Kennedy]

Crikey; I'm off to the Transfers thread with the vain hope there's some news.

Envoy the wider debate about money....

 

[Rauls Headband]

Yeah, you just can't call any of them a Brazilian donkey - if I understand this ruling correctly

That term could also be used to describe someone as a very well shaved @ss

Which in turn also demonstrates the very rich complexity of the use of language and why context, intent, nuance is also so important.