Stadium Plans

[Minimalist]

Being without the Steve Bull stand and having a reduced capacity for a season really isn’t that big a deal.
The issue is whether it’s worth the cost of the rebuild for a few thousand extra seats.

 

[JayStringer]

Being without the Steve Bull stand and having a reduced capacity for a season really isn’t that big a deal.
The issue is whether it’s worth the cost of the rebuild for a few thousand extra seats.

The knock-on effect is relatively big, though. It's not just the reduction in Wolves-fan capacity it would cause. The lower being used to house away fans when demand dictates would then need to be found elsewhere in the stadium, which would decrease Wolves-fan attendance even further.

There are sensible real-world ways to demolish and rebuild the Steve Bull lower quite quickly, or demolish the whole thing and erect a temporary stand in place of the SB Lower. But then there's still the issue of away fans.

Which then puts the option of doing the South Bank first as the best contender again. But if the club don't want to do that -which does seem to be the case so far- then that puts a temporary relocation into play. And of the options, ground-sharing with a hated rival, playing in Coventry for a year, or playing at the Alexander Stadium for a year, the Alexander Stadium seems the one that makes the most financial sense, because Fosun would get a great deal out of the council on it.

 

[Shirtliffs shinpads]

Being without the Steve Bull stand and having a reduced capacity for a season really isn’t that big a deal.
The issue is whether it’s worth the cost of the rebuild for a few thousand extra seats.

It’s the corporate area that would make it worth it, as it’s not that attractive at present and they could make it twice if not three times as big

 

[Berlin Wolf]

Can someone give Mr Morgan a bell snd ask him how he was planning to handle the reduced capacity while replacing the Steve Bull Stand in his original plan?

I was going to call Steve, as it was a good question.
But remembered, a season or so after the new North Bank was opened, we were only averaging around 21,000, so it was doable.

 

[Minimalist]

The knock-on effect is relatively big, though. It's not just the reduction in Wolves-fan capacity it would cause. The lower being used to house away fans when demand dictates would then need to be found elsewhere in the stadium, which would decrease Wolves-fan attendance even further.

There are sensible real-world ways to demolish and rebuild the Steve Bull lower quite quickly, or demolish the whole thing and erect a temporary stand in place of the SB Lower. But then there's still the issue of away fans.

Which then puts the option of doing the South Bank first as the best contender again. But if the club don't want to do that -which does seem to be the case so far- then that puts a temporary relocation into play. And of the options, ground-sharing with a hated rival, playing in Coventry for a year, or playing at the Alexander Stadium for a year, the Alexander Stadium seems the one that makes the most financial sense, because Fosun would get a great deal out of the council on it.

Doing south bank first, and even nw half quadrant would definitely make sense.

re away fans; I’m sure during a rebuild we would be allowed to just locate them in the smaller quadrant bit.

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

I was going to call Steve, as it was a good question.
But remembered, a season or so after the new North Bank was opened, we were only averaging around 21,000, so it was doable.

Good point. Get Morgan back in and we'll soon solve the problem of insufficient capacity.

 

[Bill S Preston Esq.]

It’s the corporate area that would make it worth it, as it’s not that attractive at present and they could make it twice if not three times as big

And that's where the money is.

 

[chignalwolf]

Good point. Get Morgan back in and we'll soon solve the problem of insufficient capacity.

he would also help the housing shortage in Wolverhampton, probably get around 120 houses on the Mol. like he did the training ground,

 

[stuj4z]

Doing south bank first, and even nw half quadrant would definitely make sense.

re away fans; I’m sure during a rebuild we would be allowed to just locate them in the smaller quadrant bit.

Correct. During redevelopment away fans can be given a lower allocation for safety reasons

 

[Sussex Wolf]

All the talk about no expansion or modest increases got me thinking about the alternative of going big….

Molineux Quarter Masterplan.

50k multi use stadium. Developed in phases over 10 years ultimately becoming a 50k multi purpose stadium with a retractable roof and a pitch which can be covered with a hard surface for large indoor events. North Bank retained, but roof replaced as part of a new retractable structure - looking a little like Porto’s roof except with retractable centre sections which slide back over the North and South Bank roofs when not needed.

The Archives are relocated and the site redeveloped into a 4* hotel with the original archives/hotel building complemented by a large extension replacing the car park. The hotel serves a niche not catered for in central Wolverhampton, and complements the enhanced commercial / hospitality facilities in Molineux.

The hotel fronts onto a wide bridge/piazza over the ring road, with low rise cafe to one side, and green wall to the other, creating a sheltered pedestrian space linking the city centre and Molineux Quarter. On non matchdays, the cafe to have an outdoor seating area.

The area occupying the corner next to the hotel between ring road and Waterloo Road redeveloped into the Molineux Village. Most of the area developed as University student accommodation in the upper floors, with bars/cafes/restaurants at ground floor around a pedestrian space. The space is used as a fan park on matchdays and social space when concerts / events on at Molineux. The lowest level, fronting Waterloo Road, provides an indoor car park, shared between the club at the Molineux end for players and staff, and hotel for guests at the Ring Road end.

To launch and make use of the new Molineux Stadium for non football events, a week long summer music festival centred around Molineux (for major artists) and Civic Hall (for smaller artists), with Uni renting out rooms in Molineux Village to supplement hotels in the city centre. Fosun ties in their other leisure interests around the music event. If successful, it becomes an annual or semi annual festival.

If you are going to do it, do it properly. Molineux is well located for this kind of mixed development, even if it appears ridiculously ambitious right now.

 

[Monketron]

All the talk about no expansion or modest increases got me thinking about the alternative of going big….

Molineux Quarter Masterplan.

50k multi use stadium. Developed in phases over 10 years ultimately becoming a 50k multi purpose stadium with a retractable roof and a pitch which can be covered with a hard surface for large indoor events. North Bank retained, but roof replaced as part of a new retractable structure - looking a little like Porto’s roof except with retractable centre sections which slide back over the North and South Bank roofs when not needed.

The Archives are relocated and the site redeveloped into a 4* hotel with the original archives/hotel building complemented by a large extension replacing the car park. The hotel serves a niche not catered for in central Wolverhampton, and complements the enhanced commercial / hospitality facilities in Molineux.

The hotel fronts onto a wide bridge/piazza over the ring road, with low rise cafe to one side, and green wall to the other, creating a sheltered pedestrian space linking the city centre and Molineux Quarter. On non matchdays, the cafe to have an outdoor seating area.

The area occupying the corner next to the hotel between ring road and Waterloo Road redeveloped into the Molineux Village. Most of the area developed as University student accommodation in the upper floors, with bars/cafes/restaurants at ground floor around a pedestrian space. The space is used as a fan park on matchdays and social space when concerts / events on at Molineux. The lowest level, fronting Waterloo Road, provides an indoor car park, shared between the club at the Molineux end for players and staff, and hotel for guests at the Ring Road end.

To launch and make use of the new Molineux Stadium for non football events, a week long summer music festival centred around Molineux (for major artists) and Civic Hall (for smaller artists), with Uni renting out rooms in Molineux Village to supplement hotels in the city centre. Fosun ties in their other leisure interests around the music event. If successful, it becomes an annual or semi annual festival.

If you are going to do it, do it properly. Molineux is well located for this kind of mixed development, even if it appears ridiculously ambitious right now.

The Johan Cruyff Arena would be a great template for Wolves to follow. Didn't cost much to build at all compared to the cost of the stadiums we're seeing nowadays.

 

[Deleted member 9202LYK]

All the talk about no expansion or modest increases got me thinking about the alternative of going big….

Molineux Quarter Masterplan.

50k multi use stadium. Developed in phases over 10 years ultimately becoming a 50k multi purpose stadium with a retractable roof and a pitch which can be covered with a hard surface for large indoor events. North Bank retained, but roof replaced as part of a new retractable structure - looking a little like Porto’s roof except with retractable centre sections which slide back over the North and South Bank roofs when not needed.

The Archives are relocated and the site redeveloped into a 4* hotel with the original archives/hotel building complemented by a large extension replacing the car park. The hotel serves a niche not catered for in central Wolverhampton, and complements the enhanced commercial / hospitality facilities in Molineux.

The hotel fronts onto a wide bridge/piazza over the ring road, with low rise cafe to one side, and green wall to the other, creating a sheltered pedestrian space linking the city centre and Molineux Quarter. On non matchdays, the cafe to have an outdoor seating area.

The area occupying the corner next to the hotel between ring road and Waterloo Road redeveloped into the Molineux Village. Most of the area developed as University student accommodation in the upper floors, with bars/cafes/restaurants at ground floor around a pedestrian space. The space is used as a fan park on matchdays and social space when concerts / events on at Molineux. The lowest level, fronting Waterloo Road, provides an indoor car park, shared between the club at the Molineux end for players and staff, and hotel for guests at the Ring Road end.

To launch and make use of the new Molineux Stadium for non football events, a week long summer music festival centred around Molineux (for major artists) and Civic Hall (for smaller artists), with Uni renting out rooms in Molineux Village to supplement hotels in the city centre. Fosun ties in their other leisure interests around the music event. If successful, it becomes an annual or semi annual festival.

If you are going to do it, do it properly. Molineux is well located for this kind of mixed development, even if it appears ridiculously ambitious right now.

This is the type of thing we should be looking at.

 

[Sussex Wolf]

The Johan Cruyff Arena would be a great template for Wolves to follow. Didn't cost much to build at all compared to the cost of the stadiums we're seeing nowadays.

Yes, I agree. About £160m in 2020 prices.

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

I'd officially like to request that this thread be closed now it turns out that they can't build a temporary stand for less than a thousand people and maintain it for 3 years.

 

[Berlin Wolf]

All the talk about no expansion or modest increases got me thinking about the alternative of going big….

Molineux Quarter Masterplan.

50k multi use stadium. Developed in phases over 10 years ultimately becoming a 50k multi purpose stadium with a retractable roof and a pitch which can be covered with a hard surface for large indoor events. North Bank retained, but roof replaced as part of a new retractable structure - looking a little like Porto’s roof except with retractable centre sections which slide back over the North and South Bank roofs when not needed.

The Archives are relocated and the site redeveloped into a 4* hotel with the original archives/hotel building complemented by a large extension replacing the car park. The hotel serves a niche not catered for in central Wolverhampton, and complements the enhanced commercial / hospitality facilities in Molineux.

The hotel fronts onto a wide bridge/piazza over the ring road, with low rise cafe to one side, and green wall to the other, creating a sheltered pedestrian space linking the city centre and Molineux Quarter. On non matchdays, the cafe to have an outdoor seating area.

The area occupying the corner next to the hotel between ring road and Waterloo Road redeveloped into the Molineux Village. Most of the area developed as University student accommodation in the upper floors, with bars/cafes/restaurants at ground floor around a pedestrian space. The space is used as a fan park on matchdays and social space when concerts / events on at Molineux. The lowest level, fronting Waterloo Road, provides an indoor car park, shared between the club at the Molineux end for players and staff, and hotel for guests at the Ring Road end.

To launch and make use of the new Molineux Stadium for non football events, a week long summer music festival centred around Molineux (for major artists) and Civic Hall (for smaller artists), with Uni renting out rooms in Molineux Village to supplement hotels in the city centre. Fosun ties in their other leisure interests around the music event. If successful, it becomes an annual or semi annual festival.

If you are going to do it, do it properly. Molineux is well located for this kind of mixed development, even if it appears ridiculously ambitious right now.

That was a good read Sussex. If Molineux remained a proper football stadium at its core, then it sounds great, and the way to go.
In this day and age, I don't think it is ridiculously ambitious, achievable with proper investment and vision in the stadium and its surroundings.
After all, we heard recently, that the club and city council have been having talks for three years, so they must be talking about something?

 

[NewarkWolf]

There are no plans......lick of paint and replacement of faded seats is all we'll see for a long time

 

[Me Babbies]

Being without the Steve Bull stand and having a reduced capacity for a season really isn’t that big a deal.
The issue is whether it’s worth the cost of the rebuild for a few thousand extra seats.

In Morgans plans it was 2 years for a full rebuild of the SBS.
1st year open up the lower tier with no roof, similar to the NB

 

[maws]

Just add in the corners and keep our unique atmosphere. I fear a 50k stadium is way too much

 

[Highlandwolf2]

There are no plans......lick of paint and replacement of faded seats is all we'll see for a long time

As the vast percentage of income in the PL (typically 90%+; NB this might be a little out of date) is generated from non ticket sales income, not sure why there is a clamor for a larger stadium. Why would the owners want to spend £millions on a vanity project?

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

Just add in the corners and keep our unique atmosphere. I fear a 50k stadium is way too much

Might make them cut the prices though, surely too big if it's £40 to stand behind the goals.

 

[Pintandkebab]

Just add in the corners and keep our unique atmosphere. I fear a 50k stadium is way too much

You need a good team on the pitch to fill anything over 45K . Yes we have some decent players but unless we get 7th and above regularly they 45K plus is pointless IMO.

 

[Wagstaffe Was Magic]

You need a good team on the pitch to fill anything over 45K . Yes we have some decent players but unless we get 7th and above regularly they 45K plus is pointless IMO.

Correct !

 

[The grey]

Standing still is going backwards

 

[Stourport wolf]

Standing still is going backwards

And locking future generations out!

 

[YouGottaRaulWithIt]

There are no plans......lick of paint and replacement of faded seats is all we'll see for a long time

I am afraid you are right. The intent to re-build was never really there. There is no plan and there won't be until the Council, University and others agree to pay for a large part of it. Molineux will stay as it is for the foreseeable.

 

[Joshwolf218]

Think this is suitable here

Redesign of the tunnel

https://twitter.com/x/status/1424029663454810115

 

[MrJamez]

Haven’t been in the Steve Bull for years but noticed there was a second exit yesterday?

Is this new? I thought it was just the one exit?

 

[SuperGran]

Haven’t been in the Steve Bull for years but noticed there was a second exit yesterday?

Is this new? I thought it was just the one exit?

Yes they’ve added turnstiles

 

[TooMutchBull]

Tunnel redesign looks like a brothel. En route to getting pumped.

 

[Hoganstolemywife]

You need a good team on the pitch to fill anything over 45K . Yes we have some decent players but unless we get 7th and above regularly they 45K plus is pointless IMO.

Actually, that's an interesting point. I know Sunderland built their new stadium and struggled to fill it. Are there any none top sides with 45k+?

Newcastle spring to mind

 

[Wonder Boyo]

Think this is suitable here

Redesign of the tunnel

https://twitter.com/x/status/1424029663454810115

No wonder they have had to charge so much to the new season ticket holders. That's where the money's gone!

 

[Shergar]

Think this is suitable here

Redesign of the tunnel

https://twitter.com/x/status/1424029663454810115

Must be for a new TV show by TI’m Westwood called ‘Pimp My Tunnel’

 

[WickedWolfie]

Think this is suitable here

Redesign of the tunnel

https://twitter.com/x/status/1424029663454810115

Nah, don't like it.... Not enough Wolf's heads.... lol

 

[WickedWolfie]

Must be for a new TV show by TI’m Westwood called ‘Pimp My Tunnel’

Is that the same sort of thing as vajazzling?????

 

[WickedWolfie]

Tunnel redesign looks like a brothel. En route to getting pumped.

How do you know so much about brothels??? Just asking....

 

[Peszkywolf]

Where are the new Steve Bull turnstiles? Next to the old Upper Tier turnstiles?
Much needed. I either waited in the queue from 2.20 & get in 1 min before kick off....
Or stay in the pub for another pint & get in 1 min after kick off.

 

[Sussex Wolf]

Actually, that's an interesting point. I know Sunderland built their new stadium and struggled to fill it. Are there any none top sides with 45k+?

Newcastle spring to mind

Eh? As commented some moons ago, for the first 10-15 years of its life Sunderland’s new stadium was pulling 40k+ crowds even in the second tier, and 30k+ in the third. It was only after a couple of seasons in the third tier did crowds drop off further.

 

[Hoganstolemywife]

Eh? As commented some moons ago, for the first 10-15 years of its life Sunderland’s new stadium was pulling 40k+ crowds even in the second tier, and 30k+ in the third. It was only after a couple of seasons in the third tier did crowds drop off further.

Oh really? I had this (apparent) perceived wisdom that they'd never filled it.

 

[Jayjaywolves]

Tunnel redesign looks like a brothel. En route to getting pumped.

That’s hilarious! Well done sir.

 

[Sussex Wolf]

Oh really? I had this (apparent) perceived wisdom that they'd never filled it.

Even in League One, over 30k…

The amazing Sunderland attendance statistic which shows how loyal Black Cats fans are

The Wearsiders outrank most other clubs when it comes to average attendances

www.chroniclelive.co.uk

Sunderland AFC - Change in attendance figures

Die Entwicklung der Besucherzahlen zeigt an, wie sich das Zuschauerinteresse für den Verein Sunderland im Vergleich der Saisons entwickelt hat.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk