Should we sack O Neil?

[Sedgers]

I think originally voting No on this thread will very soon give you equal status to those that were at Chorley.

 

[Wolvesfcneil]

I think originally voting No on this thread will very soon give you equal status to those that were at Chorley.

I admit changing it from yes to no but will anyone else.

 

[Aussie_Wolf]

I think the Luton match gets too much focus. Their a tricky customer I.e with a few decent points their picking up even more so at home. Looking like a decent point especially with the circumstances within the game.

We were down to ten men before half-time mind! I agree, not a bad result in retrospect.

 

[Wolf316]

I admit changing it from yes to no but will anyone else.

Yes

 

[Wednesbury Wolf]

I admit changing it from yes to no but will anyone else.

Yes.

 

[Boss Hogg]

I’ve left my vote as it was - the poll is just a snapshot in time and when it was conducted lots of us were feeling angry, let down by the Board and disappointed.

Yes results have picked up which is great news and O’Neil is presenting himself well, but talk is cheap, let’s see how the league table looks at Christmas and run the vote again then.

 

[Jefe]

Only the truly based refused to cast a vote one way or the other...

 

[GoldenHorseshoe]

Only the truly based refused to cast a vote one way or the other...

Thank you.

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

This one is more accurate really as there was no change option

Thread 'Gary O’Neil - Poll' Gary O’Neil - Poll

Some credit to the heroic 66 I guess, but it did get much worse from there and of course some people just back the club whatever they do. Plus of course he never was actually getting sacked in September.

 

[Jefe]

Thank you.

You're welcome, darl.

 

[The House of Wolves]

fair play to those who can admit they were wrong.

but we all know there will be a bitter, sour bunch ready to pounce on him again if we lose to Newcastle or Sheffield United.

 

[The House of Wolves]

This one is more accurate really as there was no change option

Thread 'Gary O’Neil - Poll' Gary O’Neil - Poll

Some credit to the heroic 66 I guess, but it did get much worse from there and of course some people just back the club whatever they do. Plus of course he never was actually getting sacked in September.

Proud member of the 8% club.

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

fair play to those who can admit they were wrong.

but we all know there will be a bitter, sour bunch ready to pounce on him again if we lose to Newcastle or Sheffield United.

It's an interesting one to reflect on. I'd say I certainly over-reacted to his appointment and early failures.

Some of this was probably bitterness that while I thought we were heading back to the glory days under Lopetegui, the club had moved the goalposts to basically staying up and breaking even. That's still pretty much how I see us. Obviously it was unfair to unload that on O'Neil.

Then there were early tactical failings like Brighton and Liverpool. You can probably put that down to him still working out what the players can do.

Then there was the shambles at Ipswich, which we have seen the likes of before, but made me incorrectly think he was losing the players. Probably confirmation bias there, see a few grumpy looking players and assume they're unhappy with the manager.

So I'll reflect on all that and hope we carry on as we are, although churlishly maybe still point out that those accusing people of a knee jerk after 5 games, are basing their opinions on the last 4.

 

[Contrarian]

Here come the excuses.. (and there's plenty more where this came from!). Basically, hindsight cuts all ways and I don't think it was too unreasonable for many to not want O'Neil as manager. Most Bournemouth fans didn't want him, either, at the time! And I think many of us put too much on those Bournemouth fans...that's my main excuse. As I had thought he'd done a good job keeping them up, was surprised they sacked him. Though we'd also had a good revival under JL so was looking forward to a good season with him in charge.

I don't think fans of most clubs (other than the Entitled 6) are that different. I hadn't paid any attention to Bournemouth - until GON turned up here. And the Bournemouth "experts" started appearing telling us how bad he really was and that they needed some trendy alternative to go to the next level.

Looking at what a lot of those Bournemouth fans were saying - that yes he kept them up, but they weren't playing attractive football. That they set out to gain results by preventing opponents play, rather than have their own identity. That they should be doing even better with the quality of players they had. Now where have I heard all that before??? Right here, talking about us! All sounds remarkably similar to comments often made around here since finishing 7th.

The start of much of our decline featured people saying all those same things. So perhaps Bournemouth are just learning the same lesson we are painfully learning? That results are all that matter really and it should never be underestimated how hard they are to get in this league? Well, I hope we've learnt the lesson, because I don't want to see us ever get rid of a succesful manager because we "have to go 4 at the back to play pretty football and not be grinding out ugly wins".

 

[BillyBoots]

Beat Newcastle and the no's may well be the majority.

 

[SuperGran]

So I'll reflect on all that and hope we carry on as we are, although churlishly maybe still point out that those accusing people of a knee jerk after 5 games, are basing their opinions on the last 4.

Within the context of a manager coming in with no preseason not knowing the players not even having a settled backroom staff it’s was a little unfair to judge him on the first couple of games

 

[SuperGran]

Beat Newcastle and the no's may well be the majority.

Lose and he’ll be back to being a pe teacher

 

[Jefe]

The start of much of our decline featured people saying all those same things. So perhaps Bournemouth are just learning the same lesson we are painfully learning? That results are all that matter really and it should never be underestimated how hard they are to get in this league? Well, I hope we've learnt the lesson, because I don't want to see us ever get rid of a succesful manager because we "have to go 4 at the back to play pretty football and not be grinding out ugly wins".

To be perfectly honest, until Fosun actually start funding the team again with an eye to a tilt at the top 7 (if that happens at all) then I don't see a reason to consider switching to a back 4 again. It always unravels for us on a long enough timescale. We're a 40-ish points club at this moment in time and as such should stick to what we're good at, even if it is a limited system in some games.

 

[Supadavewolf]

My mate barbecued his lucky wolves socks

I've tasted worse at many a barbecue

 

[Jefe]

Beat Newcastle and the no's may well be the majority.

Newcastle is an acid test. If we get any sort of result, and not a holding-on-for-dear-life draw like Villa, but one born out of purpose, then I'll be hugely impressed.
The Geordies are absolutely flying right now.

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

Within the context of a manager coming in with no preseason not knowing the players not even having a settled backroom staff it’s was a little unfair to judge him on the first couple of games

Yes, probably, he wound me up with comments about the lack of fitness and implied criticisms of other stuff when he came in, as if he was like Lopetegui taking over from Lage, I've let it go now though!

 

[The Clock]

If Bournemouth sack their manager this week and ask about taking GON back, I wonder what the reaction would be like on here now.

 

[Aussie_Wolf]

Only the truly based refused to cast a vote one way or the other...

Hello ! What does based mean in this context ? I'm an older guy. It used to mean addicted to crack but that wouldn't make sense contextually.

Cheers!

 

[VancouverWolf]

Only the truly based refused to cast a vote one way or the other...

Never voted on any of the polls…..why bother?……to what end?

 

[VancouverWolf]

This one is more accurate really as there was no change option

Thread 'Gary O’Neil - Poll' Gary O’Neil - Poll

Some credit to the heroic 66 I guess, but it did get much worse from there and of course some people just back the club whatever they do. Plus of course he never was actually getting sacked in September.

If you are saying that some always back the club, ( loyalty is fine but blind loyalty is not), then one could also say that some will always find fault with all things Wolves.

 

[YouGottaRaulWithIt]

Newcastle is an acid test. If we get any sort of result, and not a holding-on-for-dear-life draw like Villa, but one born out of purpose, then I'll be hugely impressed.
The Geordies are absolutely flying right now.

Yep, unfortunately I have to agree. Newcastle are strong and clinical. We should get hammered.

But ...if we manage to get anything from this game GON will cement his position and he should officially close this thread.

 

[VancouverWolf]

Here come the excuses.. (and there's plenty more where this came from!). Basically, hindsight cuts all ways and I don't think it was too unreasonable for many to not want O'Neil as manager. Most Bournemouth fans didn't want him, either, at the time! And I think many of us put too much on those Bournemouth fans...that's my main excuse. As I had thought he'd done a good job keeping them up, was surprised they sacked him. Though we'd also had a good revival under JL so was looking forward to a good season with him in charge.

I don't think fans of most clubs (other than the Entitled 6) are that different. I hadn't paid any attention to Bournemouth - until GON turned up here. And the Bournemouth "experts" started appearing telling us how bad he really was and that they needed some trendy alternative to go to the next level.

Looking at what a lot of those Bournemouth fans were saying - that yes he kept them up, but they weren't playing attractive football. That they set out to gain results by preventing opponents play, rather than have their own identity. That they should be doing even better with the quality of players they had. Now where have I heard all that before??? Right here, talking about us! All sounds remarkably similar to comments often made around here since finishing 7th.

The start of much of our decline featured people saying all those same things. So perhaps Bournemouth are just learning the same lesson we are painfully learning? That results are all that matter really and it should never be underestimated how hard they are to get in this league? Well, I hope we've learnt the lesson, because I don't want to see us ever get rid of a succesful manager because we "have to go 4 at the back to play pretty football and not be grinding out ugly wins".

I didn’t watch or read any of the Bournemouth fans opinions myself but I know others on here did.
That’s fine but maybe those same Bournemouth fans thought he was great before he was sacked.

 

[VancouverWolf]

Within the context of a manager coming in with no preseason not knowing the players not even having a settled backroom staff it’s was a little unfair to judge him on the first couple of games

Duh….

 

[VancouverWolf]

Newcastle is an acid test. If we get any sort of result, and not a holding-on-for-dear-life draw like Villa, but one born out of purpose, then I'll be hugely impressed.
The Geordies are absolutely flying right now.

Agreed although if we lose , by say 1 goal but play very well and continue to create decent chances, then fair enough.

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

Agreed although if we lose , by say 1 goal but play very well and continue to create decent chances, then fair enough.

We will put up a good fight for sure hoping they newcastle are tired. Loud Molineux to roar us home!!

 

[VancouverWolf]

We will put up a good fight for sure hoping they newcastle are tired. Loud Molineux to roar us home!!

Yes ……
Finally, I’m back to looking forward to the games again. Last season, sometimes getting up at 5.30 am felt like a chore or a duty but at least we’re playing exciting footy again.

 

[Jefe]

Hello ! What does based mean in this context ? I'm an older guy. It used to mean addicted to crack but that wouldn't make sense contextually.

Hi! I was being (slightly) tongue-in-cheek, but "based" as I understand it is modern slang to describe a cool cat who doesn't care to adhere to any conventional paradigm or herd mentality to get at the truth or best answer to something.

 

[QB Wolf]

Yes ……
Finally, I’m back to looking forward to the games again. Last season, sometimes getting up at 5.30 am felt like a chore or a duty but at least we’re playing exciting footy again.

You can get up at 8 on Saturday

 

[berwickwolf]

We will beat Newcastle on Saturday.

 

[SuperGran]

We will beat Newcastle on Saturday.

According to some we have to beat them convincingly or Gary is **** again

 

[Hot Fuss]

This one is more accurate really as there was no change option

Thread 'Gary O’Neil - Poll' Gary O’Neil - Poll

Some credit to the heroic 66 I guess, but it did get much worse from there and of course some people just back the club whatever they do. Plus of course he never was actually getting sacked in September.

Proud to be part of that club with 65 brothers in arms! Go on Gaz!

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

We will beat Newcastle on Saturday.

Looking forward to the Friday night post rallying the troops!!

 

[Clifton Wolf]

Can we change the name of this thread, it’s not deserved!

 

[Thank you Sir Jack]

Proud to be part of that club with 65 brothers in arms! Go on Gaz!

Greetings from a fellow 66er.

 

[Hot Fuss]

Greetings from a fellow 66er.

Top man.