Should there ever be a discussion about who takes a penalty on the pitch

[wolvesdb]

Circumstances where I think it could be

A player has scored 2 goals in the match and wants to take the penalty to complete a hatrick.
A player has not scored in a while and wants to take the penalty to end a barren run of form.
A side has a comfortable lead, and wants to let someone else score.

Or are you of the mind that a side should have a penalty taker and regardless of the match situation, if that player is on the pitch, they should always take the penalty.

It has already happened in two Wolves matches this season. Last night, and in Pyunik where Wolves were already 3-0 up, and Patrick Cutrone wanted to take a penalty so he could get his first goal for the club. It even looked like Neves agreed he could take the penalty but in the end Neves ended up taking it and scored.

 

[Shergar]

Yes!

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

Cutrone wanted one and was to'd no wasn't he?

Edit, Sorry, read the whole OP doh!

 

[Newbridge Wolf]

Circumstances where I think it could be

A player has scored 2 goals in the match and wants to take the penalty to complete a hatrick.
A player has not scored in a while and wants to take the penalty to end a barren run of form.
A side has a comfortable lead, and wants to let someone else score.

Or are you of the mind that a side should have a penalty taker and regardless of the match situation, if that player is on the pitch, they should always take the penalty.

It has already happened in two Wolves matches this season. Last night, and in Pyunik where Wolves were already 3-0 up, and Patrick Cutrone wanted to take a penalty so he could get his first goal for the club. It even looked like Neves agreed he could take the penalty but in the end Neves ended up taking it and scored.

I thought that actually showed one thing Nuno had over Ole last night. I thought he'd been a bit harsh on Cutrone, especially as we were fairly clear at the point, but always professional. Ole should have said no, the best player takes the kick. Not moaning mind!

 

[Deleted member 7862Bler]

You are 3-0 up away in a game that will clinch the championship and your captain is the only outfield player not to have scored all season. I’d let him take the penalty then.

 

[S G Wolves]

You are 3-0 up away in a game that will clinch the championship and your captain is the only outfield player not to have scored all season. I’d let him take the penalty then.

And he did... get in!!

 

[bigbluewolf]

I think that whoever gets fouled for the penalty should be the one to take it. That would stop any arguments or discussions on who should get the job.

If it’s a handball then it should be taken by the player who took the shot or header.

 

[Wonder Boyo]

Really don't want to discuss this, even generally. They spent an hour on it on Sky Sports last night, I'm sick of it. They missed the most important aspect of it - Pogba didn't miss the penalty, RUI PATRICIO MADE AN EXCELLENT SAVE. That's all we need to discuss.

 

[Sussex Wolf]

Will it mean we get to listen to 25 mins of inane Sky pundit jabber about Wolves for a change?

 

[George AlooGobi]

Designated player should take it if he is on the field. No exceptions

 

[Big Saft Kid]

I'll give an actual instance of captaincy involving penalties which I witnessed at my first ever Wolves away game, 27 September 1958 at White Hart Lane. Wolves are awarded a penalty and Ron Flowers, our penalty king back then, steps forward. He scores, but the spurs keeper almost saves it. But the ref has spotted an encroachment, orders a retake. Ron takes it again, and the goalie saves it this time. But again the ref spots an encroachment, orders a second retake. At this juncture Wolves captain Billy Wright steps in, and changes the kicker. He asks Eddie Clamp to take it. Eddie steps up and smacks it home. Job done! It was held up at the time as an example of Billy's brilliant captaincy.

 

[CITIZEN ERASED]

Letting players fight it out and decide for themselves will be detrimental to team morale.
I suspect Nuno made it clear that Neves is penalty taker if on pitch and there will be an order depending on who is on pitch to take them if Neves isn't.
I expect Cutrone being new wasn't aware...I certainly couldn't imagine someone like Jota picking the ball up and asking to take the penalty.
People know the rules and their roles...if everyone is singing off same hymn sheet there shouldn't really be any disharmony.

I would imagine there would be some leeway, as mentioned already on a hattrick etc.

 

[Deleted member 4152]

Really don't want to discuss this, even generally. They spent an hour on it on Sky Sports last night, I'm sick of it. They missed the most important aspect of it - Pogba didn't miss the penalty, RUI PATRICIO MADE AN EXCELLENT SAVE. That's all we need to discuss.

This

 

[Scott in the Sand]

I think that whoever gets fouled for the penalty should be the one to take it. That would stop any arguments or discussions on who should get the job.

If it’s a handball then it should be taken by the player who took the shot or header.

I remember reading / hearing somewhere (sorry can't evidence) that people who win a penalty and then grab the ball score less penalties because they're hyped up rather than being ice cool.

I think penalty taking is so specialist it has to have a 'special team' i.e. Raul and Ruben. Whatever the circumstances. Even if we were ten nil up I wouldn't hand it out like confetti, I'd make other members of our 'five penalty takers' for cups take them instead.

 

[themanwhobuiltthemoon]

The manager should name his penalty takers in a particular order before the game as if it were a shootout. It shows clear leadership and everybody knows what they're doing and the taker can be better prepared mentally. It might sound ridiculous to name one to five for a league game but it's not beyond the realms of possibility that for example we got a penalty in the 85th minute and Neves and Raul have both been substituted by then, in which case the third choice would need to be primed.

I think that whoever gets fouled for the penalty should be the one to take it. That would stop any arguments or discussions on who should get the job.

Interesting you say that because I'm sure Arsene Wenger had a policy where the person who gets fouled did NOT take the penalty.

 

[jrpb-3]

they should agree before the match. If that agreement should include who takes them if penalty taker has gone off , and could also agree a scenario where if a couple of goals up and late in match then an alternative can take then fine. no real need for discussion by players on the pitch. If anything needs to change in a match then convey that to manager and manager OKs it or not

 

[topcat99]

Yes

When it’s a top 6 side, every penalty should involve an argument.
This is to ensure that Sky and the BBC have something to drone on endlessly about for days between games.

 

[Black Country Wanderer]

Of course there should be designated penalty takers,its what they practice everyday
With us its Neves or Raul,personally id put Raul as number one taker, he has a better success rate but thats incidental
The only exceptions should be if its inconsequential, like we are 5 up in a one off cup game with a few minutes left,or possibly if a player is on a hat trick,even then we would have to be winning comfortably for me
The Sky debate the other night bordered on the farcical,ok it was a major talking point,but come on, almost 45 minutes talking about it endlessly saying the same things,while hardly mentioning the fact Rui made a great save,or ,god forbid, talking about the rest of the game
Yes it should be talked about,but 10 minutes should be ample,then talk about the game,had it been us in that situation it would have been over in 5 minutes guaranteed,total bs

 

[bigbluewolf]

I remember reading / hearing somewhere (sorry can't evidence) that people who win a penalty and then grab the ball score less penalties because they're hyped up rather than being ice cool.

I can see that being true. My point was not just for Wolves but it should be for all teams, maybe included in the Law about penalties.

I think penalty taking is so specialist it has to have a 'special team' i.e. Raul and Ruben. Whatever the circumstances. Even if we were ten nil up I wouldn't hand it out like confetti, I'd make other members of our 'five penalty takers' for cups take them instead.

It is specialist but surely as a footballer you should be able to score from 12 yards with only the goalkeeper between you? Well they should but it doesn't always happen.

 

[WW1963]

Nuno is in charge of the players at Wolves.

The players are in charge of Ole at Man United.

 

[Mr Chad]

For what its worth, I remember the Championship season, the players just seemed to look at each other and then someone stepped up to take the penalty. Didn't seem to have a designated taker at all. I think we had something like 6 penalties taken by 6 different players (including Coady's which admittedly had a different scenario). I think the only miss was by Neves.

 

[Jamwolf]

I think this whole "he got the foul, he's on a hat trick, he's not scored for 10 years, he's a nice bloke" is a bit amateurish these days.

 

[moseleyite]

View attachment 11720 Yes!

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[AndyWolves]

No, Andy Thompson takes it

 

[Mr Chad]

Just had a strange thought. Imagine if Gary Neville had been playing on Monday. Would we ever have got the penalty taken ?

Or would he just have looked at Paul Pogba and said "Yeah that's fine, Paul. You have it." ??

 

[Golden Oldie]

Without being unfair to Ole I had some difficulty in appreciating the explanation he gave for the 'discussion' that resulted in Pogba taking the penalty. It seemed, without the benefit of lip-reading skills, that Pogba suggested allowing him to take the penalty would avoid the possibility of Rashford having his facial/manly features re-arranged.