Penalty or not?

[ombyman]

Some people won't care, if so, there's no need to tell us, just move on.
However, I'm seeing a split on if Doku's high foot is a penalty or not. Interested to see what the split is amongst us as a group of football fans.

Hating liverpool or City aside, what is your view?

 

[SWest Wolf]

Put it this way, anywhere else on the pitch that would have been a foul.

 

[wolfgar]

If that is Liverpool vs Bournemouth/Wolves/West Ham etc then that is given. I'm sure of it. And when you think about that its a bit messed up really?

 

[Hot Fuss]

Penalty. That and the massive **** up at Tottenham has probably cost Liverpool 3-5 points and possibly the title.

 

[FJRWolf]

Foul, penalty, yellow card. Not a red for me as there wasnt a very hard contact.

 

[Wolf316]

Penalty. That and the massive **** up at Tottenham has probably cost Liverpool 3-5 points and possibly the title.

And the **** up last week gained then 3 points.

 

[thommo1984]

Did we really need a whole thread on this? It wasn't given, move on. This microscope view of football is why we ended up with VAR in the first place ffs

 

[Ginger Chimp]

Penalty. That and the massive **** up at Tottenham has probably cost Liverpool 3-5 points and possibly the title.

They did get the win at Forest though when they got the ball back from a drop ball … but shouldn’t have.

 

[Hot Fuss]

And the **** up last week gained then 3 points.

Well 2.

Anyway, being incorrectly given a free kick in your own penalty area isn’t quite the same as a penalty and having a perfectly good goal chalked off is it.

 

[Axle]

I think l like the fact that VAR is not getting involved as much these days and sticking with on field decisions brings some of the spirit back to the game.

Long may that continue: if we can work on ‘sensible’ that is not calling it if it can’t be seen wit the naked eye, more the better

On that we have been cheated out of many points this season, so no disrespect to the OP but l don’t care if Liverpool don’t get a pen!

 

[Hot Fuss]

They did get the win at Forest though when they got the ball back from a drop ball … but shouldn’t have.

See above.

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

Don't worry they'll get the points back in the last game when some clever camera work makes Neto look 3mm offside and our last minute equaliser is ruled out.

 

[LW1]

By current rules it's a penalty. Rules are mad though, not every foul in the box should be a penalty. Many times it's still a remote possibility there will be a goal when foul happens and a penalty is too tough a sanction. This fell into that category for me.

 

[Mutchy]

Nuno thinks its always Forest 'Am I saying something stupid?' - Nuno bemoans VAR

 

[Bostin]

As far as I'm aware, the criteria for what constitues a foul in the penalty area is no different to anywhere else on the pitch, so it's a penalty

 

[Mark Rankines Lovechild]

Definitely a penalty 100%.
The fact that it wasn't awarded and it was Liverpool that didn't benefit - I love 100%

 

[Bradmore Wolf]

It was a penalty and blatant corruption by the powers that be to prevent Liverpool from winning the league and giving Klopp the send off he deserves.

 

[WeAreTheWolvesII]

Clear penalty.

MacAllister knew what he was doing but Doku fell into the trap and kicked him.

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

Nuno thinks its always Forest 'Am I saying something stupid?' - Nuno bemoans VAR

As I said last night, it was definitely a red, but he would have got there sooner if MGW hadn't kicked him first, so he probably should have gone too!

 

[Jack Russell]

Doku was clearly trying to play the ball. What Mac Allister was trying to do other than obstruct Doku is beyond me as he didn't seem to be attempting to play the ball.

 

[manchesterwolf17]

For the sake of the title race I'm glad the game was a draw, but for me that's a penalty all day. I'd be spitting blood were that not given against us. It was a case of the VAR finding a reason not to give it. This is where the bias of officials if just subconsciously still exists. If that game is Liverpool vs Fulham at 1-1 and the former need a win to keep the title race alive, the exact same incident occurs, I guarantee it's given. But yesterday, the VAR had to be 1 billion percent sure the on field decision was wrong and there in lies one of the major flaws with the system in general. Context, timing etc should be taken out completely and it isn't because human nature takes over.

 

[Scallywolf]

Nuno thinks its always Forest 'Am I saying something stupid?' - Nuno bemoans VAR

Oh no Nuno, Nuno, Nuno, it isn’t always you!

You are saying what many Premier League managers have been saying during the season (except most of the Big 6), but having to be careful how they say it. It isn’t stupid, but your comments are falling on deaf ears imo.

Forest have employed Mark Clattenburg as their referees analyst, but what good is that appointment when it won’t make any difference to the on pitch decisions.

Maybe we should appoint Mike Dean to do the same for us!

 

[Wolf316]

It was a penalty and blatant corruption by the powers that be to prevent Liverpool from winning the league and giving Klopp the send off he deserves.

That’s the funniest thing I’ve read on here for ages.

 

[Scallywolf]

I reckon VAR chickened out of awarding a penalty.

Last minute. Top 2 teams. German Klopp v Spitty Pep. So much at stake. Can you imagine the fallout if a penalty had been awarded!

As has been said in previous posts, if that was us against either Liverpool or City, it would have been given.

 

[Ercall Wolves]

Penalty. That and the massive **** up at Tottenham has probably cost Liverpool 3-5 points and possibly the title.

I hope so

 

[Shergar]

Penalty. That and the massive **** up at Tottenham has probably cost Liverpool 3-5 points and possibly the title.

If Klopp reads this he will be asking for the games to be replayed. Wait...

 

[Beeches wolf]

I reckon VAR chickened out of awarding a penalty.

Last minute. Top 2 teams. German Klopp v Spitty Pep. So much at stake. Can you imagine the fallout if a penalty had been awarded!

As has been said in previous posts, if that was us against either Liverpool or City, it would have been given.

The ref certainly bottled it, and was reluctant to award a penalty with so little time left.
It would have been absolute chaos if he had awarded it.

 

[Black Country Wanderer]

For me a clear penalty,you cant have your boot in someones face and it not be a foul
That said we have had that many poor decisions this season that i really dont care anymore

 

[wolfgar]

Its totally one of those that we would not get at any of the big 6 away (or prob at home), but that they would almost always be given against us. Whether these things are given when the big 6 play each other totally depends. This happens in the first half and I reckon the ref gives it? A foul really should be a foul though or else the result is being manipulated somewhat? We've lost at least two to last minute pens this season that I think were less of a foul (Sheff Utd and Fulham).

 

[ombyman]

Could do a 'was mcginns tackle a red card' poll. Would be the first 100% yes landslide we have had on here!

Interesting this Doku one is still about 50 50 after the first 30 votes.

 

[Stourport wolf]

Some people won't care, if so, there's no need to tell us, just move on.
However, I'm seeing a split on if Doku's high foot is a penalty or not. Interested to see what the split is amongst us as a group of football fans.

Hating liverpool or City aside, what is your view?

Who is Doku and which league do Liverpool and City play in?

 

[North West Wanderer]

Some people won't care, if so, there's no need to tell us, just move on.
However, I'm seeing a split on if Doku's high foot is a penalty or not. Interested to see what the split is amongst us as a group of football fans.

Hating liverpool or City aside, what is your view?

i hate Liverpool but that’s a penalty.

 

[stever]

Did we really need a whole thread on this? It wasn't given, move on. This microscope view of football is why we ended up with VAR in the first place ffs

You ok hun?

 

[thommo1984]

You ok hun?

no!!!!!

 

[SA Wolf]

50:50. Like most decisions in football, given or not given by the referee; there will be contention. This is what we used to enjoy about football before VAR. In this case, if VAR got involved, they upheld Oliver's call. Just like the good old days!

 

[northnorfolkwolf]

The ref certainly bottled it, and was reluctant to award a penalty with so little time left.
It would have been absolute chaos if he had awarded it.

Spot on! At the time I thought there is no way they would give a dodgy penalty this late in what had been a fantastic game. A draw was a fair result. It's similar to when refs book a player and then chicken out of a 2nd booking so as not to have to show the red.

 

[Bugsy911]

Clear penalty the ref bottled it and the farce that is VAR backed him.

 

[topcat99]

For me a clear penalty,you cant have your boot in someones face and it not be a foul
That said we have had that many poor decisions this season that i really dont care anymore

This

So LiVARpool can suck it up.
Welcome to our world

 

[Saltyjim]

I think it falls into the category of anywhere else on the pitch it's a foul, but not in the last seconds of a match between 2 of the top 3. Liverpool and their crowd appealing for everything probably didn't help their cause either. I can't remember whether it was before or after that Salah threw himself to the ground looking for a spot-kick, but that might harden the refs attitude towards pointing at the spot.

 

[ombyman]

Well....After 59 voters its 29 for and 30 against it being a penalty.....so about as evenly split as it can be!

I imagine some of the 30 just hate VAR and voted no as they can't condone its usage.

So, based on this poll it was a contentious decison.

For what its worth, I thought it should have been given as a penalty.