Overshadowing a World Cup victory

[Mutchy]

The Lionnesses have issued a statement of support.

Hermoso 'didn't consent' as players refuse to play

Jenni Hermoso says she did not consent to be kissed by Spanish FA president Luis Rubiales - as 81 players say they will not play for Spain's women's team until he leaves.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[StaffordWolf]

The guy is an absolute lunatic, really hope he gets what he deserves.

 

[sedgwolf1980]

Gonna say it…..just a couple years ago this would never, ever, have even been deemed newsworthy. Not saying that’s right or wrong by the way, just an observation.

 

[Brizzlewolf]

Gonna say it…..just a couple years ago this would never, ever, have even been deemed newsworthy. Not saying that’s right or wrong by the way, just an observation.

No, I think you would need to wind the clock back 20 years for a senior official grabbing his crotch and forcing a full on kiss not to be newsworthy....

 

[The Wolf In The North]

Gonna say it…..just a couple years ago this would never, ever, have even been deemed newsworthy. Not saying that’s right or wrong by the way, just an observation.

And it's therefore a sign of progress.

 

[sedgwolf1980]

No, I think you would need to wind the clock back 20 years for a senior official grabbing his crotch and forcing a full on kiss not to be newsworthy....

 

[Black Country Wanderer]

Gonna say it…..just a couple years ago this would never, ever, have even been deemed newsworthy. Not saying that’s right or wrong by the way, just an observation.

I agree,a guy kisses a girl in the heat of the very emotional moment i mean its never happened before has it?
I havent read the full story, so if it was more than this then yes he has a case to answer, but if its just a peck on the lips and a hug , well, perhaps its just me

 

[sedgwolf1980]

I agree,a guy kisses a girl in the heat of the very emotional moment i mean its never happened before has it?
I havent read the full story, so if it was more than this then yes he has a case to answer, but if its just a peck on the lips and a hug , well, perhaps its just me

That’s literally what it was. Granted, the bloke don’t do himself any favours with some of his weird comments after it, however trying to make this into something it wasn’t, just kind of sums up the strange world we now live in.

 

[Nige100]

It’s a shame that the joy of winning the World Cup has been overshadowed by these events. He just needs to go and let the girls enjoy their achievements. Something is wrong, very wrong in the Spanish FA that his speech yesterday was warmly received and applauded by his colleagues at the Spanish FA. 81 players from Spain have now said they will not play whilst he stays in post including all of the World Cup winning squad that ain’t a storm in a tea cup.

He will be rightly gone by the end of the day probably just negotiating a severance package.

 

[Brizzlewolf]

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[sedgwolf1980]

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But that has nothing to do with the ‘kiss’ which is what the uproar is about.

As I say, blokes a bit odd, I agree, but this incident in isolation is a complete non story.

 

[Brizzlewolf]

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But that has nothing to do with the ‘kiss’ which is what the uproar is about.

As I say, blokes a bit odd, I agree, but this incident in isolation is a complete non story.

Are you being serious it's reported as part of the story... .same event same bloke.....

 

[Nige100]

But that has nothing to do with the ‘kiss’ which is what the uproar is about.

As I say, blokes a bit odd, I agree, but this incident in isolation is a complete non story.

Beg to differ when he has claimed the kiss was consensual and the player herself has now stated it wasn’t. That brings a whole new outlook to events. That’s sexual harassment.

 

[Direwolf]

I think it's quite wrong intentionally or unintentially or even wrapped with emotion on the spur of the moment. It is essentially disrespectful and pompous in my view. Kisses should be invited or if they are a greeting or goodbye be on the cheek. Kisses on the lips will always have an affectionate or sexual element and therefore should be invited. However if by some weird and wonderful eventuality a stranger female kissed me on the lips I would absolutely love it.

 

[Netherton Wolf]

I'd better be careful in future , I greet everyone with a kiss on the lips

 

[Asthmatic Wolf]

Can’t believe people are minimising it. It’s basically sexual assault. He’s a complete **** end and I hope somebody punches him in the face, hard.

 

[sedgwolf1980]

I'd better be careful in future , I greet everyone with a kiss on the lips

Don’t ever change.

 

[Eastyorksyeltz]

I agree,a guy kisses a girl in the heat of the very emotional moment i mean its never happened before has it?
I havent read the full story, so if it was more than this then yes he has a case to answer, but if its just a peck on the lips and a hug , well, perhaps its just me

It's not just "A guy and a girl", what 50's high school movies have you been watching? It's a senior sports official and a professional footballer in public and in the course of their office / employment. It would never have been acceptable, even in those golden remembered days of yore.

 

[Mutchy]

Borja Iglesias has said he won't play for the mens national team again either whilst Rubiales is in charge.

 

[Ginger Chimp]

Just heard on the radio that the Spanish FA are looking to charge Hermoso for “her lies” about this situation.

This is gonna get weird.

 

[Streathamwolf]

That’s literally what it was. Granted, the bloke don’t do himself any favours with some of his weird comments after it, however trying to make this into something it wasn’t, just kind of sums up the strange world we now live in.

That is literally nothing like what it was, as stated by Hermoso, the footballer in question. He grabbed her head and forced rhe kiss. The point you are missing is the role of power in what happened, as evidenced by the Spanish FA trying to force Hermoso to support Rubiales statement and constantly pressuring her and her family to do so

 

[Golden Arrow]

Can’t believe people are minimising it. It’s basically sexual assault. He’s a complete **** end and I hope somebody punches him in the face, hard.

And that would be physical assaul, or even worse (GBH).

 

[Streathamwolf]

I'd better be careful in future , I greet everyone with a kiss on the lips

Do you force them? Are you in a position to stop them doing their job? Wake up ffds, it is assault

 

[Miniwolf]

A male in a position of power should keep his lips to himself. He had hold of her head so she couldnt move.

 

[Woodsetton Wolf]

Not saying this guy isn’t a loon but the Spanish are more exuberant than us when it comes to greeting or celebrating, same as the Italians. Ok the Spanish player did not consent to this but in the heat of jubilation, this could easily happen. I suppose it’s the way he has portrayed his self before and after that’s making it seem more lured.

 

[Streathamwolf]

Just heard on the radio that the Spanish FA are looking to charge Hermoso for “her lies” about this situation.

This is gonna get weird.

And all of the players refusing to play.

 

[Streathamwolf]

And that would be physical assault or even worse.

And what he did was assault, sexual assault.

 

[Woodsetton Wolf]

Do you force them? Are you in a position to stop them doing their job? Wake up ffds, it is assault

Kissing someone on the lips in a moment of jubilation isn’t exactly assault is it.
I’ve had grown men hug and kiss me when we’ve scored a goal, I didn’t consent to this but take it as a heat of a moment reaction.

Now if I’d had my **** stroked that would be a different matter

 

[OLDGOLD]

I haven't seen the event, and I am old school. But there is a difference between an official giving someone an affectionate heat of the moment hug, and a bloke old enough to be the players grandad kissing her on the lips...

 

[Streathamwolf]

Kissing someone on the lips in a moment of jubilation isn’t exactly assault is it.
I’ve had grown men hug and kiss me when we’ve scored a goal, I didn’t consent to this but take it as a heat of a moment reaction.

No if I’d had my **** stroked that would be a different matter

It is if you physically force them so they can't avoid it, as he did.

 

[Streathamwolf]

I haven't seen the event, and I am old school. But there is a difference between an official giving someone an affectionate heat of the moment hug, and a bloke old enough to be the players grandad kissing her on the lips...

Agreed, watch it and say what you think

 

[Asthmatic Wolf]

And that would be physical assaul, or even worse (GBH).

Yeah, thanks

 

[Hawkguy]

I haven't seen it so I can't really fully comment.

But I've always found ass slapping weird too. I was very good at baseball growing up, travelled all over Eastern Canada playing, and I've had my ass slapped by my teammates so, so many times. I've always hated it, but never said anything cause it's widely and weirdly socially acceptable.

 

[The Wolf In The North]

It's one of those weird things where the fallout seems like an over-reaction, probably to men especially, but when you think about it, the implications are stark.

His defence is, basically, "It was spontaneous, I didn't mean anything by it, I didn't intend to cause offence or discomfort". And that's something that has been used for a very, very long time to make it okay in certain situations. When it isn't.

A woman (any person, but in the context of this situation, a woman, because in the majority of cases, it's a woman) has the right not to be kissed or touched by a man (or any person, but... etc) if not been consented to. Regardless of context. Doesn't matter whether it's football, or in a moment of celebration, or on tv. Doesn't matter if it causes harm. And, crucially, doesn't matter if there's intent.

It wasn't a peck, it was a full on lip-smacker and bear hug, but that's not really the point. The point was, he thought it was okay. It wasn't. Just as it wouldn't be okay for a man to spontaneously kiss and hug a woman in his office because she'd just closed a big deal, and to then say afterwards, I didn't mean any harm, if it had made her uncomfortable - just don't do it in the first place.

And that's why the reaction in this instance is important, because the more people see why it isn't right, the more they "won't do it in the first place".

When a woman, or anyone, says "That thing you did to me that you thought was okay? It isn't" then the response should never begin with a "But..." .

 

[Fifty Niner]

He holds a privileged and leading position, representing the Spanish game. He should be leading by example not acting like some drunk alpha male on an 18-30s type holiday.

 

[OLDGOLD]

Agreed, watch it and say what you think

I think I'd rather not tbh....

 

[Stourport wolf]

There has to be a rerun of the Spanish general election and President Sanchez is politicising this event,vwith the help of the media.
It is very difficult to imagine or understand the amount of politics in football, each television or radio station are rather Conservative or Socialist. Football is political in Spain unfortunately and a President who voted successful to stop an enquiry in to deaths of up to 36 migrants on Spanish soil, is now seeing an opportunity to get political gain, out of an out of order kiss, in the excitement of the moment. Out of order yes, political interference no.

 

[Hawkguy]

His defence is, basically, "It was spontaneous, I didn't mean anything by it, I didn't intend to cause offence or discomfort".

From the little I read, his actual defense is that she consented during the moment. Which makes it all sound so weird. Like he was so fired up he asked her if he could peck her on the lips? Seems so strange.

 

[Jefe]

I considered not participating in this thread, knowing the ultra-progressives will descend on me like ravening Wolves (ahem), but when I saw that players are boycotting games in an effort to get this guy ousted, I had to say something. What a limp, pathetic overreaction this all is, and the way it has been allowed to overshadow the Spanish ladies' win even more so.

Rubiales is kissing, cuddling, holding tightly all of the players, out of simple affection and euphoria. That's not a problem apparently. Because he very briefly kisses Ms. Hermoso on the lips for a fraction of a second, he sexually forced himself on her? Utter, utter pearl-clutching nonsense.

The thought of an individual who has been the Spanish president for 13 years being forced to resign over this is unsettling. We cannot disavow Cancel Culture, then gleefully participate in it when it suits us! He has apologised, saying it was down to a moment of high emotion. I believe him. Why can't people just accept his apology and move on? Why must the witch hunt continue until a life and livelihood is ruined?

 

[Wolf 82]

The kiss itself made me feel a little uncomfortable.. it’s a bit weird.

Lying about a conversation where she consented is weirder still. Then putting pressure on her to provide a statement lying. Very creepy.