Our 'best 11 bargains' under the Fosun ownership?

[Supadavewolf]

We occasionally see criticism of Fosun's transfer policy on here. This is not a defence of Fosun as owners, nor of their transfer policy in general, but I thought it might be interesting to try to pick a "best bargains" XI of players who we gained after July 2016 (when Fosun became owners) and who are still with us.

Not scientific, and the figures that follow I am not claiming as being 'gospel'. They are based on Transfermkt records and valuations - OK, tin hat now firmly on, there are some right doozies in these figures (check out Mighty Max's valuation for a kickoff!) - but none of us really knows exactly how much we paid, and current market valuations, like your investments people, can go down as well as up. With reference to the valuations, no doubt some Mixers will explode and others will implode, but here we go anyway.

It's a 3 5 2 team, one of our favoured formations, and the figures shown by each player are supposedly - in order -

initial cost (£m) - number of seasons with us - current market value (£m)


Jose Sa - £7.2 - 1 season - £12.6

Willy Boly - £10.8 - 5 - £7.2
Romain Saiss - £3.6 - 6 - £8.1
Max Kilman - free(ish) - 4 - £14.4

Jonny - £18.9 - 3.5 - £13.5
Donk - £13.77 - 4 - £27
Mouts - £5.04 - 4 - £2.25
Ruben - £16.11 - 5 - £36
RAN - £10 - 1 - £13.5

Raul - £36.9 - 4 - £19.8
Pedro Neto - £16.11 - 3 - £31.5

That's a decent team by any stretch of the imagination. I could have included Pod (£17.64 - 2.5 - £19.8) and Marcal (£1.8 - 1 - £1.35), but hey ho, someone had to give.

If we look at the summative transfer costs and values, the 11 players listed cost £157.87m - that's slightly less than two Slabheads - and are currently worth £207m. Also, a total of 38.5 seasons (reduced to, say, about 34 given the long term injuries to Big Willy, Raul, Pedro and Jonny) out of the 11.

Yes, we know Fabio cost a fortune and Cutrone half a fortune, and we certainly will lose out on the latter (hopefully not the former), but all in all, we've assembled a really good squad.

(WARNING. Taking the above valuations too seriously can damage your health)

 

[WolfLing]

A quick listing of all our first team permanent transfers since Fosun and there's not a lot they get wrong for signings that fall into the £3m-£16m price bracket.

A lot of the 'Meh' players that are still with us could still go either way, Fabio included.

 

[Fenrir_]

A quick listing of all our first team permanent transfers since Fosun and there's not a lot they get wrong for signings that fall into the £3m-£16m price bracket.

A lot of the 'Meh' players that are still with us could still go either way, Fabio included.

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Think what that shows without doubt, is when we spend a sizable amount, we spend it well, and we can afford the cheaper ones to fail if one or two of them pay off

 

[Bill McCai]

I think signings like Mir and Vinagre - even if they did not quite work out here from a playing perspective - are 'hits' from a profit point of view? We spent c£5m on them (combined) and could realise c£20m in profit?

 

[Boss Hogg]

Pedro Goncalves and Rafa Mir not on the list but both have earned us some money without hardly ever playing for us

 

[WolfLing]

Pedro Goncalves and Rafa Mir not on the list but both have earned us some money without hardly ever playing for us

Yeah, I think it was said at the time we signed them, they were U23 signings, so I left them off the list.

Undoubtedly ‘hits’ given the amount of profit, even if it could have been more!

 

[Frank Lincoln]

How on earth did we get Moutinho for £5m?

 

[Deleted member 8455jwf]

A quick listing of all our first team permanent transfers since Fosun and there's not a lot they get wrong for signings that fall into the £3m-£16m price bracket.

A lot of the 'Meh' players that are still with us could still go either way, Fabio included.

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Afobe was a hit, some important goals on loan then we flipped him for a profit.

 

[Deleted member (smith)]

It’s a;l a bit hit or miss…

I say Meh

 

[tamwolf]

I'd argue that Marcal has been a hit. When you look at the other players in the price range he falls into and the cover he has provided in that position for two seasons. He has been a good signing.

 

[oldgoldheart]

once they found their feet the recruitment has generally been excellent. i think describing Chiquinho as "meh" is unfair. the guy is 18. lets see in 2-3 years time.

 

[tamwolf]

once they found their feet the recruitment has generally been excellent. i think describing Chiquinho as "meh" is unfair. the guy is 18. lets see in 2-3 years time.

Chiquinho is 22.

 

[Krispy Kreme]

A quick listing of all our first team permanent transfers since Fosun and there's not a lot they get wrong for signings that fall into the £3m-£16m price bracket.

A lot of the 'Meh' players that are still with us could still go either way, Fabio included.

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How can Afobe be a meh? We profited from him regardless?

 

[WolfLing]

once they found their feet the recruitment has generally been excellent. i think describing Chiquinho as "meh" is unfair. the guy is 18. lets see in 2-3 years time.

Like I say, the ones that are still with us could go either way, but up until now, despite a few promising cameos, the jury is still very much out.

 

[WolfLing]

How can Afobe be a meh? We profited from him regardless?

Only on the list because we turned a quick profit from him. Otherwise he wouldn’t have signed permanently.

Yeah, he’s maybe edging towards a hit purely down to making that quick profit.

 

[WickedWolfie]

How on earth did we get Moutinho for £5m?

One word..... Mendes....

 

[Hot Fuss]

A quick listing of all our first team permanent transfers since Fosun and there's not a lot they get wrong for signings that fall into the £3m-£16m price bracket.

A lot of the 'Meh' players that are still with us could still go either way, Fabio included.

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Bonatini missing, good loan but 5 million in summer 18 was a miss.

 

[CelebrityWolf]

Not sure at 16 million we can class Podence as a hit just yet. He has been constantly in and out of the side through injury and form.

Also, the list posted above just highlights how poor our work has been lately, most of the hits were from the first two or three years.

 

[cannockwolves]

I like the hit or miss table, but there is an argument for saying we are where we are because some of those hits are well "Stella" or "super" hits, rather than just old plain hits.

I would say;

Neves
Jiminez
Moutinho
Jota

Have lifted us to heights we may never have seen.

I know it's a team game and people like Coady, Ruddy, and even Doc have played a massive part, but the four I have singled out will probably have made the biggest impact when we look back.

I know we all get suckered in by recency bias but in my 43 years of going down the Mol I think Neves and Bully are the two players who have made the most impact on the club.

Neves has been an absolute joy to watch, his passing and goals will live long in the memory, and the £50m or so we get for him might fund the next super star.

 

[Pseudonym]

How on earth did we get Moutinho for £5m?

Also see how we got everyone else good.

 

[Frank Lincoln]

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Also see how we got everyone else good.

I realise that Uncle Jorge has been responsible for many of our signings, but £5m for a player of the quality of Moutinho. It was nothing less than daylight robbery...

 

[Glow69]

What a track record that is.

 

[WickedWolfie]

What a track record that is.

But Fosun don't have a clue! That's what the Mix experts all say....

 

[Krispy Kreme]

Vinagre again, gone down as a meh, made us how many millions profit?

Half of these meh deals made us profit which instantly makes them hits in my eyes.

It is a business at the end of the day and we should accept that.

 

[Mutchy]

But Fosun don't have a clue! That's what the Mix experts all say....

Its a decent discussion so far. Don't look to cause trouble and spoil it.

 

[Frank Lincoln]

I like the hit or miss table, but there is an argument for saying we are where we are because some of those hits are well "Stella" or "super" hits, rather than just old plain hits.

I would say;

Neves
Jiminez
Moutinho
Jota

Have lifted us to heights we may never have seen.

I know it's a team game and people like Coady, Ruddy, and even Doc have played a massive part, but the four I have singled out will probably have made the biggest impact when we look back.

I know we all get suckered in by recency bias but in my 43 years of going down the Mol I think Neves and Bully are the two players who have made the most impact on the club.

Neves has been an absolute joy to watch, his passing and goals will live long in the memory, and the £50m or so we get for him might fund the next super star.

I agree with the four players you have mentioned, but pre COVID I would have added Boly to that list. In my time watching Wolves, Frank Munro is the best centre half I have seen play for us, but those first couple of seasons back in the top flight, I thought Boly was superb, and at the time I paid him the ultimate compliment of comparing him to big Frank.

 

[Scallywolf]

We occasionally see criticism of Fosun's transfer policy on here. This is not a defence of Fosun as owners, nor of their transfer policy in general, but I thought it might be interesting to try to pick a "best bargains" XI of players who we gained after July 2016 (when Fosun became owners) and who are still with us.

Not scientific, and the figures that follow I am not claiming as being 'gospel'. They are based on Transfermkt records and valuations - OK, tin hat now firmly on, there are some right doozies in these figures (check out Mighty Max's valuation for a kickoff!) - but none of us really knows exactly how much we paid, and current market valuations, like your investments people, can go down as well as up. With reference to the valuations, no doubt some Mixers will explode and others will implode, but here we go anyway.

It's a 3 5 2 team, one of our favoured formations, and the figures shown by each player are supposedly - in order -

initial cost (£m) - number of seasons with us - current market value (£m)


Jose Sa - £7.2 - 1 season - £12.6

Willy Boly - £10.8 - 5 - £7.2
Romain Saiss - £3.6 - 6 - £8.1
Max Kilman - free(ish) - 4 - £14.4

Jonny - £18.9 - 3.5 - £13.5
Donk - £13.77 - 4 - £27
Mouts - £5.04 - 4 - £2.25
Ruben - £16.11 - 5 - £36
RAN - £10 - 1 - £13.5

Raul - £36.9 - 4 - £19.8
Pedro Neto - £16.11 - 3 - £31.5

That's a decent team by any stretch of the imagination. I could have included Pod (£17.64 - 2.5 - £19.8) and Marcal (£1.8 - 1 - £1.35), but hey ho, someone had to give.

If we look at the summative transfer costs and values, the 11 players listed cost £157.87m - that's slightly less than two Slabheads - and are currently worth £207m. Also, a total of 38.5 seasons (reduced to, say, about 34 given the long term injuries to Big Willy, Raul, Pedro and Jonny) out of the 11.

Yes, we know Fabio cost a fortune and Cutrone half a fortune, and we certainly will lose out on the latter (hopefully not the former), but all in all, we've assembled a really good squad.

(WARNING. Taking the above valuations too seriously can damage your health)

That makes good reading.

I just can’t get my head around the current market value, or other values, being put on Ruben.

£36million is nothing but a joke. We should be looking at £90million minimum. Not that I want him to go anyway as he is worth more to us in staying than any transfer fee.

Just compare him to Pogba who cost Yanited £80million and is still being valued around £60million. He’s not fit to lace Rubens boots in terms of consistency, attitude, ability or professionalism.

Maybe I should have posted this on the Ruben Neves thread instead but easier to do it here.

As your last paragraph says Supadave ‘Taking the above valuations too seriously can damage your health’. I’ve just had to take a couple of tablets!

 

[Alex Rae The Substitute]

How on earth did we get Moutinho for £5m?

Legend has it we made a deal with the devil.

The final outcome of said deal is yet to come to fruition some believe.

 

[lostwolf]

Barry Douglas at £1m and Ryan Bennett for nothing were cracking signings at the time. But a combined 20 million for the Portuguese midfield maestros is just vile Shame we haven't done anything close (Sa excepted) the last few windows.

 

[steve vena]

That makes good reading.

I just can’t get my head around the current market value, or other values, being put on Ruben.

£36million is nothing but a joke. We should be looking at £90million minimum. Not that I want him to go anyway as he is worth more to us in staying than any transfer fee.

Just compare him to Pogba who cost Yanited £80million and is still being valued around £60million. He’s not fit to lace Rubens boots in terms of consistency, attitude, ability or professionalism.

Maybe I should have posted this on the Ruben Neves thread instead but easier to do it here.

As your last paragraph says Supadave ‘Taking the above valuations too seriously can damage your health’. I’ve just had to take a couple of tablets!

36 million lol. I'd want 70 mill at worst.