CologneWolf
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Is that an argument to the facts I put forward?
It isn’t. That’s called recency bias. It was dirt but we’ve been far worse too many more times to call it one of the worst performances in the fosun era.It's up there with pretty much all of those. The only one I'll give you is the Burnley 0-4 where we were a defensive shambles as well.
So no, I don't really get your point..
Spot on.From seeing the line-up I knew it would be a repeat of the West Ham farce. And much like that day, we simply gift-wrapped 3 points for a very limited opponent. I would have liked to have thought that Lage would have learned some lessons from that day, but he just did the same trick again.
The amount of average players we have brought to the club in the last 2 years is really concerning, particularly as more of the crop of 2018 will probably depart in the summer.
Unlike the last Friday night fiasco, I'd decided from seeing the line-up that I wouldn't let the game ruin my weekend. I am firmly resigned no European football now, which is actually a shame as we did have periods this year where it seemed quite feasible, but the tendency to always fail to make the leap as a club, management board, team and coach is becoming somewhat predictable.
The awful decision to not call Morgan Gibbs-White back also deserves a mention.
Would've started, miles better than Cundle even in CM.
Yep, it shouldn't have been respected.It was stated he was asked if he would like to return as Lage wanted him, but preferred to stay there and that wish was respected.
Hwang on tonights showingWe actually paid money for Hwang
Yep, it shouldn't have been respected.
He should be involved in our team. He's better than Trincao. He's better than Hwang. We let Traore go.
He should be competing with Podence & Neto for a starting AM spot and then he'd be cover in central midfield as he's better than Cundle from what I've seen.
I disagree. It should've been respected, as it rightly was. What I'd love to see now though is seeing us making a place for this wonderkid, rather than benching the lad every time one of his flicks goes astray. The lad's magic (I live in Sheffield and they'd do anything to keep him) but he's still nowhere near the finished article. If / when he returns, let's back him.Yep, it shouldn't have been respected.
He should be involved in our team. He's better than Trincao. He's better than Hwang. We let Traore go.
He should be competing with Podence & Neto for a starting AM spot and then he'd be cover in central midfield as he's better than Cundle from what I've seen.
I get your point to an extent but in my opinion the conversation to MGW should've been that he's coming back to play with us.I understand your point but I will disagree. If MGW wanted to stay, then no telling what player we’d have if he forced him back against his wishes. Worse, it might also affect morale amongst others in the squad. It would be different if we didn’t have enough forwards already, and the argument were made to him and the squad that we’re desperate for experience. We weren’t desperate. I think it’s a moot point whether MGW (fit and motivated) is better than Hwang or Trincao, but that’s really a decision for the summer not January.
I think it's unfair to say we bottled anything.Woeful. Bottled a good chance to kick on again with a totally baffling team selection by Lage. Boly and Fabio the only 2 who should get any credit.
I'm still not really sure what point you're trying to make. It certainly wasn't amongst the best was it? It wasn't even particularly close to mediocre. How far down your crapometer scale are we allowed to go before we're allowed to say it's up with the worst. Let's go with 5%. It was amongst the worst 5% of performances of the Fosun era.It isn’t. That’s called recency bias. It was dirt but we’ve been far worse too many more times to call it one of the worst performances in the fosun era.
I get your point to an extent but in my opinion the conversation to MGW should've been that he's coming back to play with us.
He would obviously not want to come back to sit on the bench, so that's why he turned it down.
I presume if he was told he was going to come back and play he'd jump at the chance. We should've known by January that MGW is better than what we've got, which he is.
I think it's unfair to say we bottled anything.
A poor team were beaten by an average team.
Cundle doesn't get near any Premier League CM. Silva, who I agree played okay, doesn't get near many Premier League starting CF spots. Trincao and Hwang when they play like this it's a similar story.
We didn't bottle anything, that team is just not any good.
I kind of agree in general.Every we time we have the chance to get close, we blow it. Bottling it, choking, call it what you want. If it was Spurs everyone would be saying they were choking. We arent a poor team, we just got it wrong tonight but its what we have done every time we have got in touching distance.
In defence of Bruno, he cant do much when he loses 2 out of the 3 midfielders he has, thats down to the club being short sighted.
“One of the worst performances of the fosun era” is maybe an overstatement is my point. People just bandy the phrase about after any bad loss because emotions are high. It’s not strictly true but it is a terrible performance nonetheless that is fresh in their mind and they don’t care to cast their minds back to actually consider if it was “one of the worst”.I'm still not really sure what point you're trying to make. It certainly wasn't amongst the best was it? It wasn't even particularly close to mediocre. How far down your crapometer scale are we allowed to go before we're allowed to say it's up with the worst. Let's go with 5%. It was amongst the worst 5% of performances of the Fosun era.
By my reckoning you've got to name around 15 matches where we were ****ter than that. I'll set the parameters seeing as I made the comment.
**** else was he meant to do?
“One of the worst performances of the fosun era” is maybe an overstatement is my point. People just bandy the phrase about after any bad loss because emotions are high. It’s not strictly true but it is a terrible performance nonetheless that is fresh in their mind and they don’t care to cast their minds back to actually consider if it was “one of the worst”.
One I did not mention also from this season was arsenal away. So that’s 6 league and one cup from this season alone without searching through results. Plus Burnley last season and the 2 huddersfield results leaves us at 10. So discounting this season, from 5 seasons(minus 3 games I’ve already accounted for) I would have to find 5 times we played worse than tonight. I like my chances.
Still more than Hwang and Trincao can do combined
It was a poor header, but a very difficult chance. The angle wasn't great and the ball wasn't quite right. I think a lot of young strikers struggle in the air anyway: it's hard to coordinate everything to the degree required when your body's changing so much.The header he missed in the second half. Any top striker scores that.
There's hope, yes! Though having been lucky enough to see some of Robbie Keane's very early performances when he must have been around 17, he was already a far better footballer than Fabio. Fairer comparison with Neto, I think, someone who was always going to the top, stood out in every match he played. Fabio? Could end up a 10 goal a season striker, maybe? Not sure what league, though.It was a poor header, but a very difficult chance. The angle wasn't great and the ball wasn't quite right. I think a lot of young strikers struggle in the air anyway: it's hard to coordinate everything to the degree required when your body's changing so much.
Even if he doesn't get better there's still hope: only 2 of Robbie Keane's 126 Premier League goals were headers (though the second Wolves goal I ever saw was a Keane header...).
And now that you mention it we were woeful at Selhurst Park but for Jota saving our blushes in stoppage time to draw 1-1. I vaguely recall being badly beaten by Watford 2-0 also. Capoue and Doucore skinned us alive that day.Crystal Palace 0-2 defeat at home in the first PL season was far worse than tonight, add that one in. A 0-2 defeat to Burnley too, remember that being abysmal. Both Palace matches this season, worse. Newcastle only won with a penalty, they hardly dominated.
Have we ever missed more key players for a match than tonight? Given that, there's no shortage of performances as poor. I'd rate the recent 0-1 home defeat to Arsenal as bad, given we did nothing for 70 minutes, then hardly anything against 10 men for the rest.
Tonight was not good, but no way exceptionally bad. We've seen far worse, then bounced back to win the next 3 in a row before.
Too busy arguing with the 4th official, reminded me of the Leeds game.Worst managed match in years by any wolves manager. The players struggled and the manager seemed to be even more helpless.
Think all front 3 were about equally poor overall (although some blame has to go to the service) but as an isolated incident the Silva header did remind me of Lukaku and Kane misses I’ve seen recently. So not a ‘tap in’ but the issue is more that in the total number of times he’s played for us he’s not looked like scoring from a header.The header he missed in the second half. Any top striker scores that. Maybe somebody knows whether "jumping" can be coached in a 20 year old? He's 6 foot 2 but barely gets off the ground. It's a vital part of a strikers game totally lacking at the moment, unless he can compensate for it in other areas, going to be a big limitation.
You think Lewandowski, Kane, Ronaldo score 30 headers a season? Ronaldo who by far and away leads has 66 headers out of 400+ goals in last 10 years. Lewandowski 48 goals out of 300+There's a huge problem when none of your front 3 can head the ball. And Podence is no better. I hate sounding like being stuck in the 1970's and we are all aware of the controversy around heading in general. But it's a vital part of strikers game. Take the headers off Rauls tally, or Kane, Lewandoski, Ronaldo, even Vardy (though less so because at peak, his pace and finishing was way ahead of the 4 of our forwards in comparison), and you have at best,10 goal a season strikers. Let alone the assists and problems to defenses caused by actually having an aerial presence.
Shocking to say, I've seen Keiffer Moore score far more difficult headers than those Fabio (and the rest) regularly gets nowhere near.
Ridiculous Sa comment - of course he had to come - however VAR should have spotted that Wood blatantly cheated by his unnatural reaction leaving his feet under the keeper purely so he could go **** over tit. It's blatant cheating but even idiots like Shearer claim he was 'entitled to do it'.Sa 5
Awful decison to come for the pen. Didn't really have much else to do other than, some of his kicking was dire as well.
Jonny 6
Did ok, ASM did him a few times but always going to and got forward a couple of times.
Kilman 5
Stinker, saved by VAR after goal ruled out and let guys run off him constantly. Looks much better on the right.
Coady 5
Distribution very poor, beat in the air a lot.
Boly 7
Best of the CBs, didn't do much wrong
Marcal 7
Played well, good defensively and put in a brilliant cross that Fabio should have scored.
Moutinho 5
Bossed by Bruno G, rarely passed forwards and dribbled past with ease.
Cundle 5
First half was brutal, as bad as it gets but 2nd half he was ok. Had a big chance to slip Fabio in at the end. Looked better closer to their goal.
Hwang 4
Couple of runs 2nd half were good, but aside from that dire
Fabio 5
Great pass, and a couple of excellent runs. Did ok outside of the box but missed a sitter.
Trincão 3
Disgraceful. Hides constantly, slows down counter attacks because he is glacially slow. Gave the ball away. Was as bad as it gets and not for the first time.
Neto looked sharp when he came on, if he is on at HT we win I think.
Lage didn't really have much choice with the starters (although Jeff tied his hands with midfield) but the lack of subs was inexcusable. Horrific.
Shameful display. To create that little against that Newcastle side is shocking.
If they recruit more players like Bruno then they will be a force though. Absolutely dominated us
and without goal scorers if we attack, who's going to do the finishing ?Everything that's been wrong with us this season stretched out over a full 90 minutes. Players and manager equally poor.
If Bruno is constantly analysing videos perhaps it's time he looked at some videos of his subs, which generally come way too late... As a team and manager we need to be more attacking and take our game to the opposition, rather than just sitting back and waiting.
That 19 year old is a grown ass man. Does the opposition take it easy on him because of is age?Alright how does he bring anyone into play when no around him is making forward runs
What a cringe agenda to have against a 19 year old
I'm pretty certain Harry Redknapp tried to sign him.Cowardly garbage.