Marcal, Saiss, Moutinho & Ruddy

[Keyser Soze]

Of course the 4 first team players going into the final 12 months of their contracts, and can sign for another club (overseas) from January for free

This season Saiss will turn 32, Marcal 33, Ruddy and Moutinho 35. 3 of these players currently in our starting line up and all have been great servants to the club, and Marcal staying fit and doing well this season

Would you be offering any of these 4 new deals beyond the end of this season? and if not how and who would you look to replace these senior players who are influential at the club beyond what happens on the pitch and all big characters. Is to too much to loose all 4 at the same time? Will younger players give us enough experience or do we have enough now with the remaining squad for that not to matter so much going forward?

Notwithstanding the deadline day debacle, we tried and failed to bring in midfielders and defenders with seemingly a view to replace some of these players, eventually... quality over quantity by all accounts so if we are to replace these guys then their replacements will need to be of sufficient ability

Baring in mind our failed summer targets and assuming we will try again to either complete those deals or to convince those who were not keen, if we do not offer new deals, is it as below...

Botman or Caleta-Car = Saiss
Sanches & Kamara = Moutinho (plus 1 midfielder)
Jonny = Marcal (plus a new left back if Jonny cannot recover)
Sarkic/Sondergaard or new gk = Ruddy

Or should we be looking to keep any of these 4 players beyond this season or is our recruitment 'strategy' (such as it is) trying to replace them?

 

[Ironfistedmonk]

Could be looking at needing a brand new midfield next summer, over to you recruitment team

 

[WolfLing]

Could be looking at needing a brand new midfield next summer, over to you recruitment team

If Neves goes for £40m+ and Moutinho leaves on a free, that would give us a bit of cash and circa £170k in wages to bring in 2 or 3 more.

Kamara on a free and Sanches maybe?

 

[Wall heath Wanderer]

Offer them all one year extensions, even if we/they decide to move on it would mean we could get a few extra pennies possibly.

 

[JonahWolf]

Offer them all one year extensions, even if we/they decide to move on it would mean we could get a few extra pennies possibly.

I wouldn’t offer to extend Moutinho. 36 is stretching it, he’s not quite the same superman physique of Ronaldo.
Would absolutely love him coaching the kids in the art of game intelligence though.

The rest, yes please. If they turn it down, fair enough, but worth a go.

 

[VictorPyrrhic]

GK: SA + New
CB: Boly + Kilman + Mosquera + New + New
LB: Johnny + Ait Nouri
RB: Semedo + Hoever + New
CM: Neves + New + New
LW: Trincao + Neto
RW: Hwang + New
F: Jimenez + Silva + New

I'd sell/release Ruddy, Coady, Saiss, Marcal, Dendoncker, Moutinho, Podence, Traore, MGW.
9 out and 8 in.
Revolution not evolution next Jan and summer for me.

 

[JOSWolf]

I dont think any of them will be with us this time next year.

 

[VictorPyrrhic]

Having laid out the squad above, we could end of doing quite a bit of business next summer but still finds oursleves vulnerable to inuries/suspensions....nevermind if we sell Neves. I don't think it's good to start with a completely new midfield given they are integral to the team dynamic and next summer with no Neves/Moutinho we are looking at just that.

Put's in to further perspective just how negligent we have been this summer by not purchasing a CM. Even one that we don't expect to be fully ready until next year.

 

[Minimalist]

Would think Sarkic will replace Ruddy if his loan goes well.

Maybe Giles for Marcel, though if he has a fairly injury free year it may be tempting to keep him.

A new centre back coming in plus Sanderson and/or Gomes could replace Saiss.

Moutinho is still looking great, but I’d expect him to take advantage of a free transfer and get himself a good contract back in Portugal.

 

[Bill S Preston Esq.]

Until reinforcements come in, Saiss/Moutinho leaving would be ridiculous. I think Moutinho will move on though. At the very least we need some pre-contracts incoming for next season.

 

[northnorfolkwolf]

I think Neves will go in the summer esp as he sees Jota doing well at a big club. This is surely Moutinho's last season at this level. Saiss? If we can get a few bob for him, sell him on. That means pretty much a re-build in mf next year. I assume the FFP restrictions will be over so there should be cash to buy. Problem is that assuming we finish mid/low table and no Europe what decent players will want to come here?

 

[wolfgar]

If Neves goes for £40m+ and Moutinho leaves on a free, that would give us a bit of cash and circa £170k in wages to bring in 2 or 3 more.

Kamara on a free and Sanches maybe?

I am sure they will spring into action

 

[Highlandwolf2]

Could be looking at needing a brand new midfield next summer, over to you recruitment team

We have a recruitment team....?!

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

Keep them experience is hard to come by when you don’t purchase players

 

[old wittonian]

Who is our third choice goalkeeper at present please.

 

[Ironfistedmonk]

Who is our third choice goalkeeper at present please.

Louie Moulden

 

[Wolf in Kenilworth]

Over 200k a week between them too. Can’t see any of them staying except possible another year for Marcal or Saiss.

 

[Oh When the Wolves]

Keep marcal and get rid of the rest

 

[jonesy]

That’s a lot of players to fill the squad if all are released next summer.

 

[OLDGOLD]

Nice slant on the thread Keyser.
Age is not on anyones side especially an athlete.
Not sure I see the team keeping any if them on tbh.
One thing is for sure, replacing them will surely require some investment, but not to worry, we won't have to worry about ffp so much then...

In the Championship, with new owners, no midfield players, no new stadium etc etc...

 

[JOSWolf]

That’s a lot of players to fill the squad if all are released next summer.

Porto u15's.

 

[Deleted member 8455jwf]

GK: SA + New
CB: Boly + Kilman + Mosquera + New + New
LB: Johnny + Ait Nouri
RB: Semedo + Hoever + New
CM: Neves + New + New
LW: Trincao + Neto
RW: Hwang + New
F: Jimenez + Silva + New

I'd sell/release Ruddy, Coady, Saiss, Marcal, Dendoncker, Moutinho, Podence, Traore, MGW.
9 out and 8 in.
Revolution not evolution next Jan and summer for me.

That's an absurd amount of transfer activity, can't remember a club ever doing it successfully

 

[northnorfolkwolf]

The more you look at it, it will be like starting again next season. Such a shame as we could have built on our European season and moved up season on season. Oh well, this is Wolves and this is what we do! We need to finish top half this season to attract players and with money in the bank next summer we go again. I think we can build the defence around Kilman, we'll need a completely new mf and provided Jimenez gets back fully fit he can lead the line. Amazing to think we'll write a whole year off just to stand still and then, depending on our recruitment, perhaps struggle to get mid-table?

 

[Deleted member 8455jwf]

Problem is you'd not want any on more than a 1 year deal, Ruddy aside don't think many would accept. Wouldn't shock me if Moutinho retires.

 

[steve vena]

The way it seems to be going we'll end up being like Newcastle. I won't be paying 800 holes next season if it goes like that...no way Jose.

 

[OLDGOLD]

The more you look at it, it will be like starting again next season. Such a shame as we could have built on our European season and moved up season on season. Oh well, this is Wolves and this is what we do! We need to finish top half this season to attract players and with money in the bank next summer we go again. I think we can build the defence around Kilman, we'll need a completely new mf and provided Jimenez gets back fully fit he can lead the line. Amazing to think we'll write a whole year off just to stand still and then, depending on our recruitment, perhaps struggle to get mid-table?

And last season was seen as the transitional one as well..... just goes to show, if you stay still.....you go backwards

 

[northnorfolkwolf]

And last season was seen as the transitional one as well..... just goes to show, if you stay still.....you go backwards

How true. Just to think not that long ago we had a settled side, 5 at the back who all played well together, Neves and Moutinho at the peak of their powers and a front 3 of Jota , Jimenez and Traore, all combining together. It's no surprise we finished 7th twice. If we could of built on that side, perhaps one top addition each of the past 2 seasons, boy what a side we could have now. Oh well, all wishful thinking!

 

[Bradmore Wolf]

Great servants to the club? Really?

 

[WickedWolfie]

Offer them all one year extensions, even if we/they decide to move on it would mean we could get a few extra pennies possibly.

Depends on terms too. Even if l offered Mouts a new contract, and l'm not sure about that, it certainly wouldn't be on £100k/week. We have several decent goalkeepers who could step up to be first cover too so l question extending Ruddy further. Marcal and Saiss l'm unsure about.

 

[Deleted member 8455jwf]

Saiss ain't accepting a 1 year deal at all. Will be his last big contract

 

[OLDGOLD]

How true. Just to think not that long ago we had a settled side, 5 at the back who all played well together, Neves and Moutinho at the peak of their powers and a front 3 of Jota , Jimenez and Traore, all combining together. It's no surprise we finished 7th twice. If we could of built on that side, perhaps one top addition each of the past 2 seasons, boy what a side we could have now. Oh well, all wishful thinking!

Yep. But if we could all tell the future we would all win the lottery!

 

[Wall heath Wanderer]

Depends on terms too. Even if l offered Mouts a new contract, and l'm not sure about that, it certainly wouldn't be on £100k/week. We have several decent goalkeepers who could step up to be first cover too so l question extending Ruddy further. Marcal and Saiss l'm unsure about.

Agree with that, i was in a bit if a rush earlier and didn't take the time to flesh out my post.
Marcal and Saiss i would go straight up one year extension.
Ruddy, i would offer the same, but with the view of move him on and it's just to ensure we get some money.
Moutinho i would enquire as to if he would be interested in a coaching position after it and then work that around if yay or nay.

 

[Ian]

GK: SA + New
CB: Boly + Kilman + Mosquera + New + New
LB: Johnny + Ait Nouri
RB: Semedo + Hoever + New
CM: Neves + New + New
LW: Trincao + Neto
RW: Hwang + New
F: Jimenez + Silva + New

I'd sell/release Ruddy, Coady, Saiss, Marcal, Dendoncker, Moutinho, Podence, Traore, MGW.
9 out and 8 in.
Revolution not evolution next Jan and summer for me.

So you'd keep an injury prone, inconsistent, aging Boly over Coady who has been a near ever present and probably in his prime... hmmm interesting.
Not to mention offloading proven talent in Traore and Podence but favouring Hwang.

 

[WickedWolfie]

GK: SA + New
CB: Boly + Kilman + Mosquera + New + New
LB: Johnny + Ait Nouri
RB: Semedo + Hoever + New
CM: Neves + New + New
LW: Trincao + Neto
RW: Hwang + New
F: Jimenez + Silva + New

I'd sell/release Ruddy, Coady, Saiss, Marcal, Dendoncker, Moutinho, Podence, Traore, MGW.
9 out and 8 in.
Revolution not evolution next Jan and summer for me.

How in God's name is releasing/replacing pretty much half of the current senior playing squad anything other than ridiculously high risk? That's without even getting into the rationality of the individual choices for which there is zero supporting logic. Bears all the hallmarks of excessive computer-game playing....

This is real-life not FIFA.

 

[maws]

Moutinho will be kept on as corner routine coach!!

Saiss is pencilled in at the Glee club

Marcal is looking at doing the doors in Brum

Ruddy will be off to be new Norwich player/manager

 

[Bill S Preston Esq.]

GK: SA + New
CB: Boly + Kilman + Mosquera + New + New
LB: Johnny + Ait Nouri
RB: Semedo + Hoever + New
CM: Neves + New + New
LW: Trincao + Neto
RW: Hwang + New
F: Jimenez + Silva + New

I'd sell/release Ruddy, Coady, Saiss, Marcal, Dendoncker, Moutinho, Podence, Traore, MGW.
9 out and 8 in.
Revolution not evolution next Jan and summer for me.

I'm pretty sure you've been quite vocal (and rightly so) about the stupidity of only having 3 CM's (even though we have 4).

Yet your master plan involves having just 3 CM's.

 

[MasWolf]

Could be looking at needing a brand new midfield next summer, over to you recruitment team

If only there was a transfer window that happened recently, we'd have been able to sign a CM!

 

[VictorPyrrhic]

I'm pretty sure you've been quite vocal (and rightly so) about the stupidity of only having 3 CM's (even though we have 4).

Yet your master plan involves having just 3 CM's.

I jusk kind of assumed Jordao, Shabani my be ready for back-up roles next summer. If not then we probably need another CM too unfortunately.

 

[VictorPyrrhic]

How in God's name is releasing/replacing pretty much half of the current senior playing squad anything other than ridiculously high risk? That's without even getting into the rationality of the individual choices for which there is zero supporting logic. Bears all the hallmarks of excessive computer-game playing....

This is real-life not FIFA.

Usually i'd be on the same page as you but we have a new manager not needs players for his style. It is over 2 windows and 4 of those players are out of contract anyway so why renew and i've also factored in that we are probably losing Traore. If he signs put him back in.

I still think we'll need 6 in and 6 out minimum over the next 2 windows. Also, most of those that are on the list do need upgrading if we are to progress but there is of course some personal discretion such as Boly over Coady but i tried to consider it from the playing style Lage implements.

 

[Bill S Preston Esq.]

I jusk kind of assumed Jordao, Shabani my be ready for back-up roles next summer. If not then we probably need another CM too unfortunately.

Lets hope Jordao is near readiness now.