Ipad and late defeats....

[wolvesjoe]

We saw on Saturday the inevitable outcome of an over-reliance on digital technology in real time in making rapid tactical decisions.

Old school Robins outsmarts new kid on the block, because he is tuned in to what is actually happening on the pitch.

Oneil left stranded in the moment, unable to go through the laborious process of consulting the screen and his digital assitant.
He flounders, fails to act and the rest is history.

A similar process just occurred in the ManU game, where again Oneil failed to respond quickly enough to a real time shift in tactical
requirements.

The old maxim holds good: a digital skill always involves the loss or weakening of the analogue skill.

 

[Ginger Chimp]

The old maxim holds good: a digital skill always involves the loss or weakening of the analogue skill.

How old is that maxim? I've never heard it said before.

(Did you just make that up, you cheeky, little, monkey?)

 

[QB Wolf]

How old is that maxim? I've never heard it said before.

(Did you just make that up, you cheeky, little, monkey?)

It's a famous proverb from Plato I believe!

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

How old is that maxim? I've never heard it said before.

(Did you just make that up, you cheeky, little, monkey?)

No he's right, it's so hard to find someone who is good with a slide rule these days.

 

[Mutchy]

Oh for goodness sake. We didn't lose because of a ****ing ipad.

 

[Ogerp]

No he's right, it's so hard to find someone who is good with a slide rule these days.

Let alone an Otis King, which are more accurate.

 

[wolvesjoe]

Oh for goodness sake. We didn't lose because of a ****ing ipad.

You're in denial. Let's spell it out:

Team goes all-out attack to try and salvage game.

High risk strategy works, partly through Sam's stream of excellent saves.

To see out the game requires radical shift in tactics and substitutions.

Coach's decision-making processes are now delayed due to reliance n input from iPad and
Digital coach who has to interpret data .

Paralysis ensues and game is lost as Coventry coach quickly makes appropriate changes, disencumbered by digital paraphernalia.

 

[Aurum Lupus]

It's all technologies fault we lost! Not the fact we had over £100m in forwards injured and a 19 year old up front.

How on earth would the game have turned out differently without the ipad? They scored 2 goals in the last few minutes of extra time in the game. Nothing you can do from the sidelines is going to rectify that!

This embarrasingly is one of the best examples of Neo Luddism you're ever going to see!

 

[Tired&Emotional]

Another one for the 'Ignore List'.

It is kind of them to make themselves so clearly known.

 

[Flump]

110% true, finally someone else gets it!

This is why we need to hurry up and sack Gary Opad and replace him immediately with Robins.

 

[berwickwolf]

It's an interesting point! The inability to react to events on the pitch is what Lage consistently demonstrated and, to be fair to the odious ****, Lopetegui did quite well at.

However, another way to consider it is to think about how players respond to events in a game. O Neill constantly talks about how he gets the side to set up against specific opponents and how he wants players to stay close to the game plan. And he's done very well with this, especially against sides that play on the front foot. However, we still seem to be lacking against sides set up to defend and counter attack. This is when players have to make decisions on the hoof, according to what is happening at the time.

Howe set up Newcastle against us, at their home, to play on the counter, and enabled a win, he out coached O Neill! That happens, and it's a learning process.

I'm not having a go at O Neill, by the way, I think he's done well, with always a lot of room for improvement as with us all. And to be fair he's shown himself mature and humble enough to probably accept that. But it's a fine line between organising and over coaching. Players have to react to the situation on the pitch at the actual time, and we don't seem to be able to do that with exceptions such as Dawson. This is what has cost us against Coventry and, previously, ManUtd.

 

[Mutchy]

You're in denial. Let's spell it out:

Team goes all-out attack to try and salvage game.

High risk strategy works, partly through Sam's stream of excellent saves.

To see out the game requires radical shift in tactics and substitutions.

Coach's decision-making processes are now delayed due to reliance n input from iPad and
Digital coach who has to interpret data .

Paralysis ensues and game is lost as Coventry coach quickly makes appropriate changes, disencumbered by digital paraphernalia.

I feel like I'm somewhere reading this.... some kind of alternate universe I think.

 

[wolvesjoe]

It's all technologies fault we lost! Not the fact we had over £100m in forwards injured and a 19 year old up front.

How on earth would the game have turned out differently without the ipad? They scored 2 goals in the last few minutes of extra time in the game. Nothing you can do from the sidelines is going to rectify that!

This embarrasingly is one of the best examples of Neo Luddism you're ever going to see!

Nothing you can do????

Not how most people saw the painful surrender of a hard won advantage.

Didn't we also establish that you have a conflict of interest re. This subject.

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

You're in denial. Let's spell it out:

Team goes all-out attack to try and salvage game.

High risk strategy works, partly through Sam's stream of excellent saves.

To see out the game requires radical shift in tactics and substitutions.

Coach's decision-making processes are now delayed due to reliance n input from iPad and
Digital coach who has to interpret data .

Paralysis ensues and game is lost as Coventry coach quickly makes appropriate changes, disencumbered by digital paraphernalia.

Yeah it was nothing to do with Mario having a brain fart on the halfway line rather than putting the ball in the stand, it’s the IPad!!

This place is a remarkable cesspit of nonsense after every defeat. It’s absolutely incredible.

 

[xbomber]

If only someone had thought to launch said iPad onto the pitch during the final knockings! Would have eaten up valuable seconds and maybe allowed us to limp to extra time. Now that would have been a radical and rapid tactical decision.

Not a new idea though I have to admit - an update of the 90s 'thermos flask flying onto the pitch from the Billy Quiet' manouver. Nothing wrong with a re-skinning and updating of a classic idea though is there? Apart from Star Wars.

And Star Trek. And the A Team and Knight Rider and Ghostbusters and Doctor Who and a million other things.

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

I feel like I'm somewhere reading this.... some kind of alternate universe I think.

No Mutchy you’re on planet earth, it’s the poster who’s on a different planet.

 

[Royal wolf]

You're in denial. Let's spell it out:

Team goes all-out attack to try and salvage game.

High risk strategy works, partly through Sam's stream of excellent saves.

To see out the game requires radical shift in tactics and substitutions.

Coach's decision-making processes are now delayed due to reliance n input from iPad and
Digital coach who has to interpret data .

Paralysis ensues and game is lost as Coventry coach quickly makes appropriate changes, disencumbered by digital paraphernalia.

Players aren’t robots. They don’t just do what a coach commands. If we’re losing they will try and get the ball forward as you’d expect the manager to ask. But if we then take the lead they won’t think right the manager hasn’t said let’s defend because he’s too busy on his IPad, so come on lads keep pushing forward. Players know how the game works.

 

[Aurum Lupus]

Nothing you can do????

Not how most people saw the painful surrender of a hard won advantage.

Didn't we also establish that you have a conflict of interest re. This subject.

With 2 minutes left how was anyone meant to change the game? Yes it was painful, but to blame the ipad is pathetic. It insinuates that GON has no other means of making a decision, which is rubbish! Yes he uses technology, but its an aid not a replacement. He wouldn't be needed if the ipad just gave him all the answers!

Conflict of interest? Hardly, I don't work for Apple or any other vendor selling tech in to football. So I have zero axe to grind, unlike you!

Also when this came up last time you never answered my question as to what data and programmes they are using on the ipad. Without knowing that you're arguing from a position of ignorance. Which to be fair is ridiculously obvious!

 

[Northampton_wolf]

He changed tactics with the ipad after the tatical sa injury, alongside the team talk and changes at half time and then second half to get back into it

We lost because just like man united, players were struggling to make right decisions, with emotions high after scoring

they also are all out of position due to injuries so arent use to what they see in front of them

GON will admit part of it is on him, and the senior players like lemina, need to know when to kick the ball into the top half of the stadium or take a tactical foul

mainoo and wright goals proof of this

but again players out of position really shouldn't have ever got to wright from that throw in and cut back

We have been poor for it, yes maybe if a JL is shouting on the touch line they may shape up, but reality players need to think for themselves and make right decisions.

 

[Scallywolf]

Can the iPad play centre forward?

 

[Golden_Wolf]

You're in denial. Let's spell it out:

Team goes all-out attack to try and salvage game.

High risk strategy works, partly through Sam's stream of excellent saves.

To see out the game requires radical shift in tactics and substitutions.

Coach's decision-making processes are now delayed due to reliance n input from iPad and
Digital coach who has to interpret data .

Paralysis ensues and game is lost as Coventry coach quickly makes appropriate changes, disencumbered by digital paraphernalia.

Does this mean we beat Spurs due to the iPad? And that our current position is due to the iPad?

 

[bigbluewolf]

I think the Ipad is to blame because it's a cheap knock off of an actual iPad...

 

[WorcesterWanderer]

Recent reports saying that we lost because GON was playing Clash of Clans on the iPad and was too distracted.

 

[wolvesjoe]

He changed tactics with the ipad after the tatical sa injury, alongside the team talk and changes at half time and then second half to get back into it

We lost because just like man united players struggling to make right decision with emotion high after scoring

they also are all out of position due to injuries so arent use to what they see in front of them

GON will admit part of it is on him, and the senior players like lemina, need to know when to kick the ball into the top half of the stadium or take a tactical foul

mainoo and wright goals proof of this

but again palyers out of position really shouldnt have ever got to wright from that throw in and cut bac

Digital analysis has its place, principally when the game is over and interpreted.

Players' fatigue is also a feasible use, although again with its own risks.

But over-reliance in an immediate tactical, real time setting represents major dangers to responsivity.

Which is what we saw from Oneil and his team on Saturday, and previously against Manu.

I see it as a sign of Oneil's relative immaturity as a coach. The top coaches are up on the touchline at crucial
points of the game, playing the role of a conducteur of an orchestra. They ignore the ipad when they need to
and rely on well-honed instincts and perceptions.

I really hope Oneil has learnt this painful lesson, and reacts more forcibly and decisively the next time this situation
arises.

 

[Northampton_wolf]

Digital analysis has its place, principally when the game is over and interpreted.

Players' fatigue is also a feasible use, although again with its own risks.

But over-reliance in an immediate tactical, real time setting represents major dangers to responsivity.

Which is what we saw from Oneil and his team on Saturday, and previously against Manu.

I see it as a sign of Oneil's relative immaturity as a coach. The top coaches are up on the touchline at crucial
points of the game, playing the role of a conducteur of an orchestra. They ignore the ipad when they need to
and rely on well-honed instincts and perceptions.

I really hope Oneil has learnt this painful lesson, and reacts more forcibly and decisively the next time this situation
arises.

Agreed he could have been screaming at them to give them more instruction to close game out

 

[Ginger Chimp]

This place is a remarkable cesspit of nonsense after every defeat. It’s absolutely incredible.

And it has ever been thus.

 

[Big Saft Kid]

I do wonder about the last few minutes v Cov. In the 5th round v Brighton, we played out the last fifteen minutes superbly, kicking it against Brighton legs to get throw ins, passing it around to waste time, taking it into the corner, etc. A master class in time-wasting. But we seemed to have a collective brain fart against Cov once we got into the lead.

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

I do wonder about the last few minutes v Cov. In the 5th round v Brighton, we played out the last fifteen minutes superbly, kicking it against Brighton legs to get throw ins, passing it around to waste time, taking it into the corner, etc. A master class in time-wasting. But we seemed to have a collective brain fart against Cov once we got into the lead.

Exactly this, it was a lack of composure from the players on the pitch. Hard to see how technology is to blame for it

 

[woop woop barmy army]

I do wonder about the last few minutes v Cov. In the 5th round v Brighton, we played out the last fifteen minutes superbly, kicking it against Brighton legs to get throw ins, passing it around to waste time, taking it into the corner, etc. A master class in time-wasting. But we seemed to have a collective brain fart against Cov once we got into the lead.

Brighton we scored very early on was able to bring experience on Dawson / Semedo / Neto / Sarabia

V Coventry we scored in 85 minutes.

Coventry may aswell go for bust and loose 3-1 so went for it.

Apart from maybe bringing on B Traore o Neil had no options and had taken a defender off already

O Neil will also learn from this, dont forget it's only his second season in management.

 

[Thank you Sir Jack]

Blimey. There has been a shift in time akin to the change from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar. It is April 1st. already.
Ulven at his most bizarre.

 

[ombyman]

Is it definitely an Apple product or do FOSUN peddle their own inferior product which crashes or is slow!
FOSUN needs to give Gary the tools (I obviously mean players)

 

[wolvesjoe]

Exactly this, it was a lack of composure from the players on the pitch. Hard to see how technology is to blame for it

Its a fairly straightforward argument to grasp.

 

[wolvesjoe]

Brighton we scored very early on was able to bring experience on Dawson / Semedo / Neto / Sarabia

V Coventry we scored in 85 minutes.

Coventry may aswell go for bust and loose 3-1 so went for it.

Apart from maybe bringing on B Traore o Neil had no options and had taken a defender off already

O Neil will also learn from this, dont forget it's only his second season in management.

There were several other options to wandering around like the Walking Dead.

Most obviously bring on Traore to do what he does best, high energy strong midfielder to protect the back line.

Drop in Doherty as a third centre back, with Bueno as left back to seal up that side.

Let Gomes and Lermina stifle attacks, esp down the flanks.

Leave RAN and Chiwome to keep the defenders occupied.

All straightforward stuff.

But Oneil froze like the proverbial rabbit.

A classic response when not used to making quick decisions without digital input.

Really not hard to work out.

 

[Mutchy]

Its a fairly straightforward argument to grasp.

and a simple one to disagree with.

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

Its a fairly straightforward argument to grasp.

Is it?? As you seem to be the only person on the forum who thinks that we lost because of an iPad. Ever thought that if everyone disagrees with you on something, you might actually be the one in the wrong?!?!?!

It’s the most strangest, bizarre and farcical thread on here since your last iPad bashing one. I really hope it’s a feeble attempt at being a WUM rather than a genuine opinion

 

[Tezthewolvesfan]

You're in denial. Let's spell it out:

Team goes all-out attack to try and salvage game.

High risk strategy works, partly through Sam's stream of excellent saves.

To see out the game requires radical shift in tactics and substitutions.

Coach's decision-making processes are now delayed due to reliance n input from iPad and
Digital coach who has to interpret data .

Paralysis ensues and game is lost as Coventry coach quickly makes appropriate changes, disencumbered by digital paraphernalia.

We lost because we were ****!!

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

We lost because we were ****!!

Nah we lost because GON was too busy playing Tetris on the IPad

 

[Parkfieldswolf]

We lost due to human error(s) and no amount of analogue or digital analogies will compensate for that. It’s football played by humans who are prone to mistakes just get over it pal. It will happen again so unless you want to remove the human element from the game and have the games played by computerised inputs you better get used to mistakes happening.

 

[WickedWolfie]

Its a fairly straightforward argument to grasp.

It's an assertion which the vast majority of Mixers who have expressed an opinion don't accept. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[WolvesAndCows]

Drop in Doherty as a third centre back, with Bueno as left back to seal up that side.

Both of those players were in those positions for Cov's second goal, yet were ball watching when the cross came in. Not much you can do from the sideline in that instance.