If we go down.........

[WATERLOO WOLF]

If we go down this season, will the Chinese pull out and leave us high, dry and broke ?

 

[Ivegotawolvesscarf]

Its always a danger with having a sugar daddy with no real connection to the club. What is there to keep them here if we start to look like a bad business decision?

 

[oldgoldheart]

If we go down this season, will the Chinese pull out and leave us high, dry and broke ?

probably yes. I have posted many times that they are almost certain to have borrowed money in wolves name to buy the players. we must be loss making given the vast wage bill. So, we are much much weaker than we were before.

 

[Paul76]

They're just as useless as Morgan and Jez.

 

[oldgoldheart]

They probably havent "invested" that much. The club is almost certainly borrowing against its assest. no one knows for sure how the club is funded these days but i dont think they would just pump cash in. The assets will be in hock to a lender and the club has to be losing money. gate receipts are down, no parachute payments, lost of extra wages etc. if we went down (which has been looking more likely by the week) we could easily do a coventry/charlton/blackpool. we may not but i certainly wouldnt bet against it

 

[Dan G WWFC]

In all honestly. I'd rather be ran like current QPR then the old one for example. Not saying they are ran well, just rather have british players and manager, sign a mixture of young and experienced British players.

So if they do want to pull the plug i wouldn't care.

 

[Mugwump]

They dont have a real history of cutting their losses so quickly into a project, but you can never say never.

 

[Paul76]

Suppose if we get relegated, we can get Kenny Jackett back in to fix us again.

 

[oldgoldheart]

we are only outside the bottom 3 on goal diff now

 

[Michellis]

When we go down you mean ...

 

[waggys left foot]

There is a window in january you know......

 

[BCWolf]

If? More like when.

 

[Starsky]

Shi and co have had an absolute mare this season.Failed to surround themselves with competent people and we have bombed as a result.

We seem to be a haven for **** owners.

 

[Deleted member 3545]

There is a window in january you know......

Aye but Wolves had the parachute money to spend last time they went down, so i wouldnt rely on spending their way out of trouble. Who in the right mind would sign for Wolves at the moment.

 

[waggys left foot]

Aye but Wolves had the parachute money to spend last time they went down, so i wouldnt rely on spending their way out of trouble. Who in the right mind would sign for Wolves at the moment.

And now they have Fosuns money so I have no doubt they will (over) spend in january as all teams in danger do.

Plus lets hope graham,zyro and williamson reappear soon.

 

[Big Mack]

I blame Moxey. He knew full well he was going to Norwich, stalled the Fosun deal so they wouldn't have a preseason with us and got lucky when the Lopetegui opted for Spain when the takeover was delayed. Love a conspiracy theory and that's mine.

 

[Monkey Man]

Time will tell but they need to start matching the talk as at the moment they are looking like clowns.

 

[waggys left foot]

I blame Moxey. He knew full well he was going to Norwich, stalled the Fosun deal so they wouldn't have a preseason with us and got lucky when the Lopetegui opted for Spain when the takeover was delayed. Love a conspiracy theory and that's mine.

You will be telling me the moon landing was staged next ....oops wrong thread.

 

[KingOfMilwaukee]

I've worked with the Chinese. The Chinese hate losing two things.

1. Money
2. Face

Especially #2.

They, along with Villa, were bought primarily because the Chinese overlords told Chinese business to get involved in English League football. But to buy something FOR China and then do this badly....well.... that must be embarassing them.

Could they sell? Not impossible but not likely. They might however, spend (and lose) more money to keep them up because they would rather lose a few million more rather than lose face.

 

[Starsky]

Jeff Shi is completely out of his depth.

Hopefully there'll be a replacement in the post.

 

[Deleted member 3545]

And now they have Fosuns money so I have no doubt they will (over) spend in january as all teams in danger do.

Plus lets hope graham,zyro and williamson reappear soon.

I hope so too, but after seeing how Dickos return to the 1st team is imnot holding my breath these guys will be Wolves saviours.

 

[oldgoldheart]

I blame Moxey. He knew full well he was going to Norwich, stalled the Fosun deal so they wouldn't have a preseason with us and got lucky when the Lopetegui opted for Spain when the takeover was delayed. Love a conspiracy theory and that's mine.

we cant keep blaming moxey. there is no CEO the appointme t of zenga was bizarre and the squad is a collection of journeymen. we are in trouble but it is not all moxeys fault

 

[oldgoldheart]

I've worked with the Chinese. The Chinese hate losing two things.

1. Money
2. Face

Especially #2.

They, along with Villa, were bought primarily because the Chinese overlords told Chinese business to get involved in English League football. But to buy something FOR China and then do this badly....well.... that must be embarassing them.

Could they sell? Not impossible but not likely. They might however, spend (and lose) more money to keep them up because they would rather lose a few million more rather than lose face.

if we go down (which by the way you were telling us to relax about just a week ago...) they could easily sell the club. one thing they wont do is keep wasting money

 

[Starsky]

Couldnt care less if they sell/walk away.

They may have money,but they are utter idiots.

 

[oldgoldheart]

Couldnt care less if they sell/walk away.

They may have money,but they are utter idiots.

well think about this. they are likely to have borrowed in the clubs name. the club is definitely loss making. so, if they walk away what do you think might happen next?

 

[Alex Rae The Substitute]

If we go down, we go down for a long time this time.

We got out of jail last time with Jackett. Won't happen again.

Worried.

 

[arctic rime]

There is a window in january you know......

I feel like jumping out of one at the moment .

 

[Rangiora Wolf]

There is a window in january you know......

I fear we will need to move many out before we can get anyone in but who will want the dross that we've got

 

[Wednesbury Wolf]

If we go down, we go down for a long time this time.

We got out of jail last time with Jackett. Won't happen again.

Worried.

You're saying without Jackett we could never get out of the 3rd div. has no other manager ever done it then ?

 

[oldgoldheart]

You're saying without Jackett we could never get out of the 3rd div. has no other manager ever done it then ?

ask the fans of sheff united, coventry, portsmouth etc

 

[WonderWolf]

I've worked with the Chinese. The Chinese hate losing two things.

1. Money
2. Face

Especially #2.

They, along with Villa, were bought primarily because the Chinese overlords told Chinese business to get involved in English League football. But to buy something FOR China and then do this badly....well.... that must be embarassing them.

Could they sell? Not impossible but not likely. They might however, spend (and lose) more money to keep them up because they would rather lose a few million more rather than lose face.

Good.

It would be seriously poor of them to do so....Fosun have created the situation, the least they can do is rectify it.

That “10 year” plan has to meaning something.

 

[Elvis Wolf]

I fear we will need to move many out before we can get anyone in but who will want the dross that we've got

Also, it's not as easy as some people think, to get new players in during the January window.

How many players are out there, who fancy joining a club who are deep in a relegation fight?

From what I've read and seen, the foreign recruits have already given up on us, especially those who came in on loan. Don't think that they can wait to be sent back to their parent clubs, after discovering that the Championship is one of the hardest leagues to ply your trade in.

After the euphoria of the takeover and the promise of Premiership football as soon as possible, all the hype has faded into utter despair and gloom. Players saying that they were joining us because of our potential and the exciting project and journey that they were about to embark on. Well all that seems to be a long distant memory now, with little hope of fulfilling the long sought after dream.

Something needs to happen PDQ, the stark reality of our plight needs to be addressed, starting with the QPR game on Thursday.

Wolves ONLY Wolves.

 

[Alex Rae The Substitute]

You're saying without Jackett we could never get out of the 3rd div. has no other manager ever done it then ?

I'm saying a lot of big (arguably bigger) teams have gone down and failed to return for a long time if at all.

Costa, Teixera all off, quite a few players out of contract, no certainty that the owners will stick around.

I'm fairly concerned relegation this season really would be a disaster.

 

[AlexWWFC]

I wouldn't of thought so, they might not of made a good start but they do have a reputation to protect. How are they going to explain to the leaders in China they brought one of the most historic clubs in English football, relegated them and got rid?

It looks bad on how the Chinese plan to handle their business in English football and would cause humiliation to all involved, they said they had a 10 year plan and I believe that.

They are learning but based on their success they learn quickly, FOSUN have a global brand to protect and are showing us on TV in China if they did what the OP suggested it would be really embarrassing for them.

However I don't think we will be relegated and we will see a good January window, I also don't think we can make the assumption they have borrowed against the club's assets. They might have done but we really don't know they could just of easily spent their own money to keep the club debt free... One of the things they liked so much about the club.

 

[Floyd Man]

FOSUN will not walk away from this imo. It would be seriously damaging for the image of the company. Yes they have made mistakes and will probably make a few more, but I believe they will learn and get it right. Though I would say relegation is a real possibility.

 

[Deleted member 3573J]

You will be telling me the moon landing was staged next ....oops wrong thread.

Or the mafia killed JFK, the stuff people come out with eh?

Jeff's decision making so far is starting to rival Morgan on the clueless chart, 1st not firing Kev in the summer but then to seemingly give him full control 3 months later is a even bigger mistake. It's a bit like winning the lottery and finding out Nick Leeson will be deciding what you spend the money on. Jeff might as well have withdrew £10m from the bank and given it Michael McIndoe to invest.

 

[waggys left foot]

Or the mafia killed JFK, the stuff people come out with eh?

Jeff's decision making so far is starting to rival Morgan on the clueless chart, 1st not firing Kev in the summer but then to seemingly give him full control 3 months later is a even bigger mistake. It's a bit like winning the lottery and finding out Nick Leeson will be deciding what you spend the money on. Jeff might as well have withdrew £10m from the bank and given it Michael McIndoe to invest.

Its a steep learning curve owning a football club-even more steep when you are part of a collective effort to achieve world ascendancy.

So mistakes have and will be made ,fortunately they have shedloads more money than morgan.

Also Morgan being a football fan thought he knew best,bit like us really and most posters on here .Jeff Shi knows he doesnt plus its fosuns money he is spending so there is hope for him.

Meanwhile back on planet zog -your derision on the mafia is based on warren -normally you would run a mile from an official cover up.

Its a fair shout -joe kennedy paid the mafia to help get jfk elected (fact)then bobby relentlessly pursues the mob(fact).Sam Giancana gets the right hump(supposition).

No proof of course cos ,unsurprisingly,noone talked but a fair shout they were behind oswald pulling the trigger and ruby killing him.

Meanwhile warp factor 5 mr sulu ,to infinity and beyond .Trumps going to mars etc.

 

[Summer_Wolf]

However I don't think we will be relegated and we will see a good January window.

If we are still at the bottom by then we can forget signing anyone decent in January. Plans will be well and truly out the window.

 

[FLEET WOLF]

Also, it's not as easy as some people think, to get new players in during the January window.

How many players are out there, who fancy joining a club who are deep in a relegation fight?

From what I've read and seen, the foreign recruits have already given up on us, especially those who came in on loan. Don't think that they can wait to be sent back to their parent clubs, after discovering that the Championship is one of the hardest leagues to ply your trade in.

After the euphoria of the takeover and the promise of Premiership football as soon as possible, all the hype has faded into utter despair and gloom. Players saying that they were joining us because of our potential and the exciting project and journey that they were about to embark on. Well all that seems to be a long distant memory now, with little hope of fulfilling the long sought after dream.

Something needs to happen PDQ, the stark reality of our plight needs to be addressed, starting with the QPR game on Thursday.

Wolves ONLY Wolves.

Well said

 

[WW1963]

It's all very exciting, mind. Wolves are never going to win anything - like the majority of clubs in England - so let us enjoy the drama and circus that is our club.

One love One shambles