Help...Locomotive Leipzig (Away)..24th October 1973

[lets all have a disco]

Appeal...i have been asked by 'our kid' the Club Historian to put an appeal on here, as the club are looking for someone who went to the away game in the UEFA cup against Locomotive Leipzig....granted it may be a long shot but was just wondering if any one here went or knows off anybody who went....The club would like a bit of fan insight from the game as they currently are doing a project , with someone in Germany and would very much value some insight..

If you went and are you would like to PM me your details i will pass it on to the people involved....Thanks...

 

[Golden Arrow]

Only wish I could oblige mate as travelling to the "Eastern Bloc" must have been one hell of an experience.
I only did the home games during that European season but interested to hear of anyone's experience that will help your Bro.

 

[Severnup]

Appeal...i have been asked by 'our kid' the Club Historian to put an appeal on here, as the club are looking for someone who went to the away game in the UEFA cup against Locomotive Leipzig....granted it may be a long shot but was just wondering if any one here went or knows off anybody who went....The club would like a bit of fan insight from the game as they currently are doing a project , with someone in Germany and would very much value some insight..

If you went and are you would like to PM me your details i will pass it on to the people involved....Thanks...

Sadly didn't go to the away leg. Did go to the home leg though and probably the best Wolves match I witnessed during that era. Hope you find someone who did attend the away leg.

 

[lets all have a disco]

Sadly didn't go to the away leg. Did go to the home leg though and probably the best Wolves match I witnessed during that era. Hope you find someone who did attend the away leg.

Cheers ..granted it's a long shot for the away game under the circumstances but there was bound to been someone their.....it's just finding them ..

 

[lets all have a disco]

Only wish I could oblige mate as travelling to the "Eastern Bloc" must have been one hell of an experience.
I only did the home games during that European season but interested to hear of anyone's experience that will help your Bro.

Cheers ....not sure on the details of the project but it's definitely the club doing something in conjunction with someone in Germany .....could be interesting......just offered to put an appeal on here for him....cause they seem keen to speak to someone and get their insight....

 

[tonto]

The main problem being although it’s hard to believe, that it was 50 years ago I was 17 not enough cash a lot of people who could afford it now probably not with us any longer
How the years spin by

 

[lets all have a disco]

The main problem being although it’s hard to believe, that it was 50 years ago I was 17 not enough cash a lot of people who could afford it now probably not with us any longer
How the years spin by

very true....some of the players have been asked are adamant we had fans their.......hard to believe , given the circumstances i agree..

 

[Golden Arrow]

very true....some of the players have been asked are adamant we had fans their.......hard to believe , given the circumstances i agree..

Perhaps they were living behind the Iron Curtain.
Even in those days some would have had access to the "Topical Times" and "Charles Buchan's book of Football", I dare say.

 

[lets all have a disco]

Perhaps they were living behind the Iron Curtain.
Even in those days some would have had access to the "Topical Times" and "Charles Buchan's book of Football", I dare say.

its amazing what depths some fans go to though to watch their team...even in those days though......as i said before i nw a chap who went away to the game in Derry.....

 

[northnorfolkwolf]

As a member of the RAF who served in what was West Germany some years after this game I doubt (m)any Wolves fans could have got across to what was a sealed off country back then. I may be wrong but I would have thought the only way to have gone to the game would have been via an organised tour group organised by the Club or a travel agents.

 

[Eastyorksyeltz]

As a member of the RAF who served in what was West Germany some years after this game I doubt (m)any Wolves fans could have got across to what was a sealed off country back then. I may be wrong but I would have thought the only way to have gone to the game would have been via an organised tour group organised by the Club or a travel agents.

You would have certainly required a visa, no just turning up at the border without tickets.

 

[Ercall Wolves]

I was only 12 so definitely not me
Try Rhoswolf he may have gone

 

[tonto]

As a member of the RAF who served in what was West Germany some years after this game I doubt (m)any Wolves fans could have got across to what was a sealed off country back then. I may be wrong but I would have thought the only way to have gone to the game would have been via an organised tour group organised by the Club or a travel agents.

I do seem to remember a piece in the Express and Star mentioning the fans that traveled

 

[northnorfolkwolf]

I was only 12 so definitely not me
Try Rhoswolf he may have gone

They would never have let him in! Thinking back to my earlier post about organised travel - was Don Everall the main agent back then?

 

[Ercall Wolves]

They would never have let him in! Thinking back to my earlier post about organised travel - was Don Everall the main agent back then?

Yep, bookings from Bell Street shop and departed Faukland Street

 

[lets all have a disco]

We have found someone who went Carl Zeiss Jena , the previous season...via facebook...so it was obviously possible to go to East Germany in those days......so we may get lucky..

 

[Wolflaw]

I have a feeling that Jonzy went to both Leipzig and Jena

 

[topcat99]

It was certainly possible to get into the DDR back then.

They used it as a form of propaganda and you had to change your West Marks into OstMarks as the country needed hard currency (so you couldn’t change it back when you left).

You couldn’t wander around Willy nilly though, (unless you were military in uniform), but organised bus tour would be feasible.

 

[Rhoswolf]

They would never have let him in! Thinking back to my earlier post about organised travel - was Don Everall the main agent back then?

Care to expand?

 

[Big Saft Kid]

I travelled through East Germany about two months before that game. I was going by coach to Poland with a couple of Polish friends. Once you got to the East German border, the coach was not allowed to stop until it reached Poland! You travelled at a steady 60 mph down a completely empty motorway with a thick forest of trees on either side all the way so you could not see anything at all and nor could any East Germans get near enough to see you. And that was the journey until you reached Poznan, just over the Polish border. Weird.

 

[lobodelsur]

I travelled through East Germany about two months before that game. I was going by coach to Poland with a couple of Polish friends. Once you got to the East German border, the coach was not allowed to stop until it reached Poland! You travelled at a steady 60 mph down a completely empty motorway with a thick forest of trees on either side all the way so you could not see anything at all and nor could any East Germans get near enough to see you. And that was the journey until you reached Poznan, just over the Polish border. Weird.

It was the same coming back from Poland to the West. Heavily armed East German Police with mirrors on trolley wheels to check you weren't smuggling out anybody under your car etc.
Re the Carl Zeiss Jena matches, a few years ago I worked with a young football-crazy German lad from Jena who was delighted when I told him I'd seen his club play in England and even more delighted when I showed him the Molinews programme with his childhood hero highlighted in it. Promptly took several photocopies of it for his mates back home.

 

[northnorfolkwolf]

I travelled through East Germany about two months before that game. I was going by coach to Poland with a couple of Polish friends. Once you got to the East German border, the coach was not allowed to stop until it reached Poland! You travelled at a steady 60 mph down a completely empty motorway with a thick forest of trees on either side all the way so you could not see anything at all and nor could any East Germans get near enough to see you. And that was the journey until you reached Poznan, just over the Polish border. Weird.

Same with West Berlin BSK. Because it was in East Germany, IIR you could only get there via sealed train from the German border. There must have been a single road route in across East Germany similar to the one you were on going to Poland. Back to the match, if travel was permitted to the game I bet a travel company like Don Everall would have organised coaches. I think they may well be worth a call; they must keep records?

 

[northnorfolkwolf]

I love these 'historical' threads and slightly OT but I seem to remember we played a team call Vorwaerts (or something like that!). BSK and others more knowledgeable than me may remember; was it the same competition or am I having some sort of brain fade?

 

[lobodelsur]

I love these 'historical' threads and slightly OT but I seem to remember we played a team call Vorwaerts (or something like that!). BSK and others more knowledgeable than me may remember; was it the same competition or am I having some sort of brain fade?

I think that was much earlier - maybe late 50s or early 60s.

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

I love these 'historical' threads and slightly OT but I seem to remember we played a team call Vorwaerts (or something like that!). BSK and others more knowledgeable than me may remember; was it the same competition or am I having some sort of brain fade?

Advert break in the darts, no memory, before my time, but I can use Google!

 

[lets all have a disco]

I have a feeling that Jonzy went to both Leipzig and Jena

Gutted ...

 

[Timberwolf]

I think I was there…Was Sylvester Stallone our keeper?

 

[Golden Arrow]

its amazing what depths some fans go to though to watch their team...even in those days though......as i said before i nw a chap who went away to the game in Derry.....

Travelling to Northern Ireland during "the troubles" must have been quite harrowing to say the least.
I did the Derry game at Molineux and recall one of their players (Jim Smith?) being quite good.

 

[lets all have a disco]

Travelling to Northern Ireland during "the troubles" must have been quite harrowing to say the least.
I did the Derry game at Molineux and recall one of their players (Jim Smith?) being quite good.

Think I mentioned it before...the chap I nw who went said it was by far the worse game he had been to following wolves. Said there was about 30/40 who went ....and obviously being English you wasn't very welcome at all......

 

[northnorfolkwolf]

Advert break in the darts, no memory, before my time, but I can use Google!

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Thank you for this. Isn't it great to see Wolves in the European Cup? The game at Molineux was 2 weeks before my 8th birthday. I don't remember it at all but I'm sure I have the programme in my collection in the loft!

 

[Big Saft Kid]

I love these 'historical' threads and slightly OT but I seem to remember we played a team call Vorwaerts (or something like that!). BSK and others more knowledgeable than me may remember; was it the same competition or am I having some sort of brain fade?

I attended the game v Vorwaerts, autumn 1959, IIRC. We beat them over 2 legs, European Cup. Got to the QF and we were hammered 9-2 on aggregate by Barcelona, March 1960.

 

[ricki herberts moustache]

We have found someone who went Carl Zeiss Jena , the previous season...via facebook...so it was obviously possible to go to East Germany in those days......so we may get lucky..

Crikey I used to have a Carl Ziess Jena Subbuteo team

 

[RosehillWolf]

I read something about this once. Regarding a couple of our fans following it via Telex ( remember that ??) outside the old office that used to house the wolves pool ( never as big as the Warwick pool , or indeed Littlewood’s and Vernons ) … I think one of those fans was Charles Ross of ALOB fame

 

[Big Saft Kid]

Thank you for this. Isn't it great to see Wolves in the European Cup? The game at Molineux was 2 weeks before my 8th birthday. I don't remember it at all but I'm sure I have the programme in my collection in the loft!

I don't remember much about it either but what I do remember is being on 'the wall ' behind the South Bank goal and being amazed at the antics of their goalie. He kept rushing out of his goal and not picking up the ball but just booting it away like an outfield player . English keepers of that era didn't do that! I remember it was a 55,000 crowd and it was all-ticket, went with my Dad. A few years later I started learning German at school and realised that Vorwaerts was just the German for 'Forwards!' -- a good socialist slogan (my grandad was a Welsh miner and lifelong Communist)

 

[Big Saft Kid]

Same with West Berlin BSK. Because it was in East Germany, IIR you could only get there via sealed train from the German border. There must have been a single road route in across East Germany similar to the one you were on going to Poland. Back to the match, if travel was permitted to the game I bet a travel company like Don Everall would have organised coaches. I think they may well be worth a call; they must keep records?

IIRC the road from West Germany to Poland went via the outskirts of East Berlin, but you couldn't stop anywhere and you couldn't see any of it from the windows of our coach because of the trees and other barriers which hsd been erected to prevent spying. Years later (around 2015) I went back on the same road on one of Leger's Battlefield Tours of Germany, and the old checkpoint where you crossed into East Germany is still there, preserved as a monument to the Cold War.

 

[Dr Wolfenstein]

Same with West Berlin BSK. Because it was in East Germany, IIR you could only get there via sealed train from the German border. There must have been a single road route in across East Germany similar to the one you were on going to Poland. Back to the match, if travel was permitted to the game I bet a travel company like Don Everall would have organised coaches. I think they may well be worth a call; they must keep records?

Looks like Don Everalls shut down in 1970.

 

[Big Saft Kid]

Looks like Don Everalls shut down in 1970.

Yes, they closed down yonks ago, but they were a Wolverhampton institution for a very long time. Last time I went on Everall coaches to Wolves away games was 1967. An overnight trip to Plymouth and away to Millwall in March/ April. Coaches left from Falkland Street car park.

 

[northnorfolkwolf]

Looks like Don Everalls shut down in 1970.

Not coming from Wolverhampton the only reason I know the name - Don Everall, was because they advertised prominently on the match day programme back in the day. I can still see the ad clearly in my mind even though I haven't looked at an old programme for years. I must get up in the loft and look the old progs up; that will bring back some memories!

 

[stoke wanderer]

Not coming from Wolverhampton the only reason I know the name - Don Everall, was because they advertised prominently on the match day programme back in the day. I can still see the ad clearly in my mind even though I haven't looked at an old programme for years. I must get up in the loft and look the old progs up; that will bring back some memories!

havent got an old programme in front of me but im sure they were still advertising in it up to about 78/9 which would mean they were going a lot longer than 1970

 

[Burton Wolf]

havent got an old programme in front of me but im sure they were still advertising in it up to about 78/9 which would mean they were going a lot longer than 1970

Correct. I used to travel with them throughout the mid 70's.