Have we added value with the squad?

[JohnB]

Conscious there is a lot of debate about wasted money and how much better we’d have been if only….

so thought I’d do a quick tot-up and allocate our current squad into one of 5 buckets

- significantly increased in value (>£10m)
- increased in value (£5m-£10m)
- no material change (+/- £5m)
- decreased in value
- significantly decreased in value.

Here is my simple attempt

Significantly increased
RAN, Kilman, Toti, Gomes, Hwang, Neto

Increased
Bueno, Lemina, Doyle, Traore, Cunha, Mosquera, Sa

No material change
Bentley, King, Doc, Bueno (S), Chiquinho, Cundle, Hodge, Dawson, Bellegarde, Sarabia

Decreased
Hoever

Significantly decreased
Semedo, Silva, Guedes, Podence, Sasa

Overall that feels pretty decent. Semedo is only on significant decrease list due to age/contract and similarly Podence due to contract. Sasa there due to injury. Silva and Guedes are the outliers more than offset by the significantly increased brigade.

Yours Jeff….

 

[Werewolf of Wombourne]

I would move Cunha up to the significantly improved tier. Considering how much above market value we had to pay to get him someone would now have to offer significantly above his current market value for us to consider selling.

At the end of the day a players true value is what you'll have to pay to get him rather than what might be on Transfermkt, and someone would have to come up with a hell of a lot more than 53m euros for us to even consider selling Cunha

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

Increased on most players with this good season we’ve had

 

[MickHolmesFanClub]

I would move Jose Sa up to your 'increased in value' category.

For the £6.5m we initially paid he has been excellent value and I think we would get at least double that now if we sold him

 

[GoldenHorseshoe]

I would move Jose Sa up to your 'increased in value' category.

For the £6.5m we initially paid he has been excellent value and I think we would get at least double that now if we sold him

Personally I thought that Sa was doing well to be in the 'no material change' category.

 

[JohnB]

I would move Jose Sa up to your 'increased in value' category.

For the £6.5m we initially paid he has been excellent value and I think we would get at least double that now if we sold him

I think that’s fair (not least as I had in mind we spent something above £10m!!).

 

[JohnB]

I would move Cunha up to the significantly improved tier. Considering how much above market value we had to pay to get him someone would now have to offer significantly above his current market value for us to consider selling.

At the end of the day a players true value is what you'll have to pay to get him rather than what might be on Transfermkt, and someone would have to come up with a hell of a lot more than 53m euros for us to even consider selling Cunha

I love Cunha and think he’ll definitely get there. Is it a slam dunk he’d be above £55m now? Maybe….so happy to correct in time….

 

[JohnB]

Forgot Bellegarde! Added now.

Still, overall, pretty decent is my take. Someone else might try to quantify it but feels like £100m gain in a slightly tricky market.

 

[Timberwolf]

Kilman £50m
Neto £60m (I’m squirming typing that as he’s like my car, just get him MoT’d and get rid…shhh, say no more!)
Toti £25m
Gomes £50m
Hwang £25m (can’t believe the season he’s having. I would’ve paid his taxi to Leeds last summer)
Sa £30m

That’s way more than a hundred million potential profit.

The Silva, Guedes and Cutrone car crashes have easily been off-set by previous sales.

 

[Werewolf of Wombourne]

I love Cunha and think he’ll definitely get there. Is it a slam dunk he’d be above £55m now? Maybe….so happy to correct in time….

I just don't think we'd entertain a sale at £55m. Someone would have to come in with £70m+ for us to even consider it

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

Cunha signed for £50m probably can add another 10/20m onto that now. Brazilian international same for Joao Gomes stock risen considerably

 

[The Clock]

Conscious there is a lot of debate about wasted money and how much better we’d have been if only….

so thought I’d do a quick tot-up and allocate our current squad into one of 5 buckets

- significantly increased in value (>£10m)
- increased in value (£5m-£10m)
- no material change (+/- £5m)
- decreased in value
- significantly decreased in value.

Here is my simple attempt

Significantly increased
RAN, Kilman, Toti, Gomes, Hwang, Neto

Increased
Bueno, Lemina, Doyle, Traore, Cunha, Mosquera, Sa

No material change
Bentley, King, Doc, Bueno (S), Chiquinho, Cundle, Hodge, Dawson, Bellegarde

Decreased
Hoever

Significantly decreased
Semedo, Silva, Guedes, Podence, Sasa

Overall that feels pretty decent. Semedo is only on significant decrease list due to age/contract and similarly Podence due to contract. Sasa there due to injury. Silva and Guedes are the outliers more than offset by the significantly increased brigade.

Yours Jeff….

You appear to have omitted Sarabia.

Easily forgotten I suppose

 

[JohnB]

You appear to have omitted Sarabia.

Easily forgotten I suppose

Yep and Bellegarde…I’m getting old!

 

[JohnB]

Kilman £50m
Neto £60m (I’m squirming typing that as he’s like my car, just get him MoT’d and get rid…shhh, say no more!)
Toti £25m
Gomes £50m
Hwang £25m (can’t believe the season he’s having. I would’ve paid his taxi to Leeds last summer)
Sa £30m

That’s way more than a hundred million potential profit.

The Silva, Guedes and Cutrone car crashes have easily been off-set by previous sales.

Happy to be £100m+ in profit!!

 

[mcwolf]

here is a wage breakdown of the current premier league clubs....

 

[Oliwolf44]

here is a wage breakdown of the current premier league clubs....
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Interesting post. for anyone who isnt sad like me and therefore hasnt read Soccernomics by Stefan Szymanski, in it he mentions that the strongest correlation with league position is wage expenditure. Not transfer fees or past position or number of international players etc.
Maybe Jeff has read it too and why we budgeted for a 17th place!
Shows how well we have overachieved this season also.

 

[Axle]

Say what you like about Lopetegui and there are lots of opinions about him.

He could spot and sign some fantastic players.

Each one has in their own way been massively influential to us since they signed

 

[Oliwolf44]

here is a wage breakdown of the current premier league clubs....
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it is laughable that some people thought that paying more for a ticket means we compete at the top end lol. Man Utd paying out more than £3m a week in wages than we are. A week! Thats wiped out our entire season ticket earnings in 6 weeks lol

 

[SmiffyWolf]

here is a wage breakdown of the current premier league clubs....
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Interesting that top 9 are the top nine at the moment in the league . Surely this shows you must spend to be up the league .

I know that's not rocket science to most , but we have to improve the squad in the summer or any decent players or staff will be leaving for various clubs that are showing more ambition by spending money .

 

[Bryce]

Interesting that top 9 are the top nine at the moment in the league . Surely this shows you must spend to be up the league .

I know that's not rocket science to most , but we have to improve the squad in the summer or any decent players or staff will be leaving for various clubs that are showing more ambition by spending money .

You have to look at it. Three times the spend for Villa to us and they haven’t won anything yet either.

It does explain why we never seen to be the preferred choice. We aren’t the best payers.

Now I am fine with that but there is an element of risk and we can afford no more Fabio type hubris signings .

 

[Black Country Wanderer]

Conscious there is a lot of debate about wasted money and how much better we’d have been if only….

so thought I’d do a quick tot-up and allocate our current squad into one of 5 buckets

- significantly increased in value (>£10m)
- increased in value (£5m-£10m)
- no material change (+/- £5m)
- decreased in value
- significantly decreased in value.

Here is my simple attempt

Significantly increased
RAN, Kilman, Toti, Gomes, Hwang, Neto

Increased
Bueno, Lemina, Doyle, Traore, Cunha, Mosquera, Sa

No material change
Bentley, King, Doc, Bueno (S), Chiquinho, Cundle, Hodge, Dawson, Bellegarde, Sarabia

Decreased
Hoever

Significantly decreased
Semedo, Silva, Guedes, Podence, Sasa

Overall that feels pretty decent. Semedo is only on significant decrease list due to age/contract and similarly Podence due to contract. Sasa there due to injury. Silva and Guedes are the outliers more than offset by the significantly increased brigade.

Yours Jeff….

With amortisation you can move several up several sections

 

[Fenrir_]

here is a wage breakdown of the current premier league clubs....
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And it's nonsense

Man City's wage bill last season was over £400m so more than double what that list reckons, Wolves wages year ending 2023 were £141m which is £2.71m a week

It might be a reasonable reflection of where the clubs are on the list, the numbers don't add up though

 

[Jamwolf]

The amount of column inches that we've given Fabio on this forum must be worth 10 mil in its own right.

 

[The Clock]

And it's nonsense

Man City's wage bill last season was over £400m so more than double what that list reckons, Wolves wages year ending 2023 were £141m which is £2.71m a week

It might be a reasonable reflection of where the clubs are on the list, the numbers don't add up though

Chelsea figures seem low given the total wage bill was £404 million for the year (£7.75m per week)
But maybe Boris ( their version of Doris) is on £1m a year

Revealed: The Premier League's biggest wage bills

The Stamford Bridge club were second only to Manchester City last season when it came to paying players and staff - but didn't come close to replicating the success.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[WickedWolfie]

here is a wage breakdown of the current premier league clubs....
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If that is accurate then sadly don't be surprised if some players head's are turned....

 

[JohnB]

If that is accurate then sadly don't be surprised if some players head's are turned....

But difference is partly smaller squad size? Forest only 50% more with how many more players? Also presumably we lost a lot of huge earners over Summer - Raul, Neves, Moutinho, Nunes plus Traore those 5 must have been £300k+ then we’re around the right place?

If true West Ham spending over £90m and over £50m more than us for 3 points.

 

[Bill S Preston Esq.]

Kilman £50m
Neto £60m (I’m squirming typing that as he’s like my car, just get him MoT’d and get rid…shhh, say no more!)
Toti £25m
Gomes £50m
Hwang £25m (can’t believe the season he’s having. I would’ve paid his taxi to Leeds last summer)
Sa £30m

That’s way more than a hundred million potential profit.

The Silva, Guedes and Cutrone car crashes have easily been off-set by previous sales.

It's a game of opinions ay it?