Goal Keeping

[Me Babbies]

As a self confessed stats nerd, I keep a bit of a tracker running throughout the season.
One of my results is suggesting that our problem is not conceding shots on target, but rather stopping the shots on target.
So far this season we have conceded only 66 shots on goal, the 5th lowest.
But we have conceded 29 goals from those SOT thats nearly 44%.
Only Brighton have a worse record in the Division.

And if i weight it by game to give a form guide (most recent games are worth more than earlier games), we are massively bottom of this stat.

So is it time to Give Rui a rest?

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[Oh When the Wolves]

No.

 

[Golden_Wolf]

Saw something online a couple weeks ago that was similar to this. Basically Rui is massively underperforming for us.

I don't know if Ruddy is in the answer mind you.

 

[Pagey]

Not sure how many you can lay at Rui, how many have been deflections and how many genuinely unstoppable.

 

[Fenrir_]

Newcastle is one, I'm sure there's another one you could level at Patricio but that's about it. About six penalties, deflected shots, shots he has zero chance with, where are they indicated in the stats?

Edit: Spurs, probably should have kept that one out

 

[Sketchead]

He's a great keeper, and been so, so reliable over the past couple of years. Many goals we concede can't be deemed his fault but there have been a couple of occasions this season where I've started to think he should've done better, or his positioning is just a tiny bit off to start with, meaning he isn't able to get there, etc.

Not sure Ruddy is the answer but think Rui's performances have dipped a little bit.

Newcastle free kick, Chelsea at home, Brighton's first goal at their place immediately spring to mind. While harsh, I reckon Ruddy would've got pelters for the way Albion's second goal looped in with no keeper in sight too.

 

[Wednesbury Wolf]

I used to think Rui was a real top keeper but I see him as very average now, nothing special. He has definitely lost some form although he's never been any good on crosses unlike Ruddy who is far better.

 

[WS10Wolf]

He’s been uncharacteristically poor this season. Newcastle goal. Second goal v Albion, first and third goals at Brighton, first goal at Burnley, Tottenham’s goal.

 

[Fenrir_]

He’s been uncharacteristically poor this season. Newcastle goal. Second goal v Albion, first and third goals at Brighton, first goal at Burnley, Tottenham’s goal.

Harsh to say the least. Not sure what he could have done about four of those goals

Albion one, no, it's looped over him into the far corner, had no chance

Brighton, first, no, he either comes for the cross (which he did) or stays on his line, either way Connoly has a tap in from 4 yards thanks to woeful marking. Third, a powerful downward header from 7 yards?? Would have been an absolute worldy of a save

Burnley, no. The header back is deflected by Saiss about a yard ahead of him, nothing he could do. Any save would have been more luck than judgement

 

[sedgwolf1980]

By his own exceptionally high standards he is having an extremely poor season. I’m a massive fan of his and not suggesting he is dropped but really hoping he improves for second half of the season.

Don’t think he has moved off his line in about 6 months.

 

[Wagstaffe Was Magic]

Some threads really annoy me, and this is one!!

We have a superb Keeper, Portugal’s finest!

Carry on

 

[Kingswood Wolf]

He's been poor at times this year, then again, who hasn't.

 

[Flump]

Anyone who is a stats nerd (and a lot of people who aren't) would know that the quality of chance conceded matters.

There's a difference between a speculative punt from 35 yards, and a free header from 6.

 

[luiandlui]

Superb keeper. All this proves is that stats are often garbage

 

[Flump]

Superb keeper. All this proves is that stats are often garbage

Proves that these stats are garbage.

 

[tamwolf]

My only issue with Patricio is his tendency to stay on his line for crosses. He never comes out and claims or punches. I'm pretty sure some of the goals we have conceded from crosses could have been avoided if we had a more dominant keeper in those situations.

He is generally excellent in all other areas of the game though.

 

[WS10Wolf]

My only issue with Patricio is his tendency to stay on his line for crosses. He never comes out and claims or punches. I'm pretty sure some of the goals we have conceded from crosses could have been avoided if we had a more dominant keeper in those situations.

He is generally excellent in all other areas of the game though.

He’s a fantastic goalkeeper, but I do think the goals mentioned above, they don’t go in last season or the one before. Perhaps it’s a lack of crowd to keep him focused and concentrated, maybe it’s getting used to the new defensive unit in front of him. Who knows, but he (like plenty of others) hasn’t been as consistent this season.

 

[Deleted member 7041]

We are playing crap granted, but this blame game is annoying and this particular thread is a joke. Next it will be to blame Raul for being careless at corners ffs.

 

[Beer Wolf]

I still see Rui as a good shot stopper with a strong pair of hands/ wrists. Nine times out of 10 he pushes the shot away from the danger area or round the posts. Very rarely does he push the ball back into the danger area.

I wish he would be more commanding on crosses and corners to help against those teams that bombard us and keep the pressure on.

I still rate him highly though.

 

[Big Saft Kid]

Sorry to spoil the party, but I think he has been very average this season. Said this on another thread and was told I was a moron, so the usual suspects can **** off and polish their egos. For me, he doesn't command his area, communicates poorly with the defence, and this season especially has had a worrying tendency to get beaten by shots a really good keeper would keep out. Living on past glories (just like Moutinho, another one it isn't allowed to criticise). I think Ruddy would do a better job for the rest of the season. But we need a new keeper who is an upgrade on both.

 

[Flump]

For me, he doesn't command his area, communicates poorly with the defence, and this season especially has had a worrying tendency to get beaten by shots a really good keeper would keep out. Living on past glories (just like Moutinho, another one it isn't allowed to criticise).

He's made a few mistakes this year (as all keepers do occasionally), but before that he'd had 2 fantastic seasons IMO. And I think you're forgetting how many clangers Ruddy made.

It's weird, you seemed to be banging this drum even in previous years when Rui was playing brilliantly. Is it possible you just don't like him for some random reason?

 

[cookey]

Nuno, being an ex-goalie obviously hasn't noticed this, so if you all don't mind, I think I'll trust his opinion on Rui vs Ruddy vs A.N.Other

 

[Big Saft Kid]

He's made a few mistakes this year (as all keepers do occasionally), but before that he'd had 2 fantastic seasons IMO. And I think you're forgetting how many clangers Ruddy made.

It's weird, you seemed to be banging this drum even in previous years when Rui was playing brilliantly. Is it possible you just don't like him for some random reason?

No reason other than I don't think he has played at all well this season.

 

[Deleted member 11332]

Love Rui and he's generally quietly efficient in his work. I had a feeling his performances had dropped slightly this season from his ridiculously high standards so this could have merit.

 

[Big Saft Kid]

Nuno, being an ex-goalie obviously hasn't noticed this, so if you all don't mind, I think I'll trust his opinion on Rui vs Ruddy vs A.N.Other

Villa's keeper is miles better than either.

 

[maws]

My only issue with Patricio is his tendency to stay on his line for crosses. He never comes out and claims or punches. I'm pretty sure some of the goals we have conceded from crosses could have been avoided if we had a more dominant keeper in those situations.

He is generally excellent in all other areas of the game though.

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[giantwolf]

My only issue with Patricio is his tendency to stay on his line for crosses. He never comes out and claims or punches. I'm pretty sure some of the goals we have conceded from crosses could have been avoided if we had a more dominant keeper in those situations.

He is generally excellent in all other areas of the game though.

I had the same perception but Interestingly enough, Rui is actually 6th for the % of crosses cut out by the goalkeeper (8.2%). The best (Fulham’s GK) is 14.2%

The big issue for me (and maybe why we perceive him to not claim too many) is we have by far the most crosses against us.... 207. Man City are the best at 100. We’ve got to reduce this as it’s putting pressure on the defence and the goalkeeper.

Also, we’ve conceded 6 goals from penalties this season so out of 29 goals that’s 20%. Can’t find stats for deflections but I’d imagine that’s close to another 20%

 

[greenwolf1301]

I had the same perception but Interestingly enough, Rui is actually 6th for the % of crosses cut out by the goalkeeper (8.2%). The best (Fulham’s GK) is 14.2%

The big issue for me (and maybe why we perceive him to not claim too many) is we have by far the most crosses against us.... 207. Man City are the best at 100. We’ve got to reduce this as it’s putting pressure on the defence and the goalkeeper

Yeah I think that the crosses make a massive difference because we sit back and do not press quickly out wide, it was covered more when we played 3 at the back because we had more height but with 4 at the back we are more exposed which is one reason why we have let more goals in. This along with deflected shots is not really rui's fault.

 

[Nige100]

There is a reason Allison and Ederson cost the money they did cos they are probably the best couple of all round keepers in the World. Rui is a fantastic keeper but if he is required to have all the attributes the very best have he wouldnt be at Wolves we wouldnt be able to afford him. Rui saves us many more points than he costs. If I was playing behind our defence this season I'd be a trembling nervous ****ing wreck too.

 

[TriumphWolf]

Personally, I feel the supporters have grown accustomed to his very high standards of consistency, I don’t think he has dropped-off but when he does let one in folk will often look for ‘why’.... he has been unfortunate with deflections which will always be unfavourable to a keeper when reviewed in slow-mo.

Rui is a very very good keeper, in my view more than a few notches better than Ruddy (who is very solid himself)

 

[Incognito]

It's as if we're analysing every single player to find a reason/or to blame for our poor performances this season. Rui aint it, nor is other player for that matter (as much as I slate Donk, not even he's to blame). It's simply down to experimenting with a new formation, injuries to key players meaning we've not been able to have a settled side, lack of squad depth especially in the forward positions, selling Jota and some poor in-match decisions from Nuno (in no particular order). Once we get everyone back and Nuno finds the right formation, then we'll be some team again (and some).

 

[Deleted member 9202LYK]

As a self confessed stats nerd, I keep a bit of a tracker running throughout the season.
One of my results is suggesting that our problem is not conceding shots on target, but rather stopping the shots on target.
So far this season we have conceded only 66 shots on goal, the 5th lowest.
But we have conceded 29 goals from those SOT thats nearly 44%.
Only Brighton have a worse record in the Division.

And if i weight it by game to give a form guide (most recent games are worth more than earlier games), we are massively bottom of this stat.

So is it time to Give Rui a rest?

By game Stats (hope these work)
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Weighted Table
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Are you mad? Our hesitant defence is presenting easy shots on target. How many goals do you think Rui has been at fault for?

lies, damn lies and statistics spring to mind.

 

[WickedWolfie]

Villa's keeper is miles better than either.

It's getting incredibly tedious to see thread after thread where some folk post "Villa's player in this position or that position is better than ours". They are playing well this season and getting results. We aren't playing so well and have key players missing which puts pressure on others. Man for man l still rare most of our players above their Vile counterparts.

 

[Deleted member 5962]

Rui is one of the best shot stoppers around. Most of the goals that he has let in have been deflections or other errors of our CBs. He has had some howlers, sure, but his errors leading to goals are so uncommon they stick out in the memory, such as the Newcastle game. The one criticism of him is his lack of willingness to come off his line, but this also comes from his own experience, he isnt a big unit like Ruddy, hes an agile shot stopper and seems to prefer to play to that strength.

Anyone saying we should play Ruddy over him needs to go revisit the chump season to see just how many goals Ruddy cost us from some truly shocking keeping. We have gone from threads calling for him to lose his place to Norris in the promotion season to people questioning if he should replace Portugals No. 1? He is not in any way a viable alternative to Rui and any keeper that is as good or better would cost us a hell of a lot of money.

 

[Tezthewolvesfan]

Hes class....end of.

 

[WickedWolfie]

Rui is one of the best shot stoppers around. Most of the goals that he has let in have been deflections or other errors of our CBs. He has had some howlers, sure, but his errors leading to goals are so uncommon they stick out in the memory, such as the Newcastle game. The one criticism of him is his lack of willingness to come off his line, but this also comes from his own experience, he isnt a big unit like Ruddy, hes an agile shot stopper and seems to prefer to play to that strength.

Anyone saying we should play Ruddy over him needs to go revisit the chump season to see just how many goals Ruddy cost us from some truly shocking keeping. We have gone from threads calling for him to lose his place to Norris in the promotion season to people questioning if he should replace Portugals No. 1? He is not in any way a viable alternative to Rui and any keeper that is as good or better would cost us a hell of a lot of money.

I agree your comments about Rui. We've begged to differ over Ruddy before so saying no more...

 

[Deleted member 5962]

I agree your comments about Rui. We've begged to differ over Ruddy before so saying no more...

I respect your stance and I realise what I am saying may be overly harsh on Ruddy.

 

[Ian]

As a self confessed stats nerd, I keep a bit of a tracker running throughout the season.
One of my results is suggesting that our problem is not conceding shots on target, but rather stopping the shots on target.
So far this season we have conceded only 66 shots on goal, the 5th lowest.
But we have conceded 29 goals from those SOT thats nearly 44%.
Only Brighton have a worse record in the Division.

And if i weight it by game to give a form guide (most recent games are worth more than earlier games), we are massively bottom of this stat.

So is it time to Give Rui a rest?

By game Stats (hope these work)
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Weighted Table
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NO!
The goalie is fine , its the central defence that needs upgrading. ( and 2 fullbacks that know how to defend would be an added bonus).

 

[Narfolk Wolf]

We are playing crap granted, but this blame game is annoying and this particular thread is a joke. Next it will be to blame Raul for being careless at corners ffs.

I don't see it as a blame game. Just highlighting how at times all players have marginally underperformed more often than previous. This in turn has led to the situation we have now.

 

[pacamac]

Superb keeper. All this proves is that stats are often garbage

Or the stats prove he's a superb keeper but in poor form?

Yes the stats don't take into account deflected shots, shots he had no chance of saving etc but that's true for all other keepers too. Do all the other keepers not have any deflected or unsaveable shots against them?

The reality is probably somewhere between the two, the stats certainly aren't the be all and end all but he's also in a rut of poor form.