Franck Kessie

[Deleted member LP 3925]

He isnt but he is a box to box midfield player.

Is Hugh Janus a box to box midfielder?

 

[Deleted member 5242]

Everyone clamouring for a signing for signings sake does realise that he's not the AM you all crave, right?

Do you not want to see a good creative AM brought in?

I'm 50/50 on Kessie for that reason tbh

 

[Ginger Chimp]

Is Hugh Janus a box to box midfielder?

Sort of

 

[Grendel74]

Do you not want to see a good creative AM brought in?

I'm 50/50 on Kessie for that reason tbh

I’d love Kessie at our club... but I think Sanson would fulfil the AM function more naturally. I think we’re in with a shot at either of these today. I also think we’re equally likely to end up with what we have - which is also fine by me. I’ll be happy when it’s all done to be honest

 

[1972 i began]

Tick tock yes Kessie would be great but no definite green lights anywhere and its far too late to get a complicated high profile deal through especially as the player is apparently lukewarm to say the least and no bid has been accepted as far as we know (one report does claim a fee may have been agreed). Surely too many hurdles to overcome at this late stage, especially salary wise.

Prepare to be disappointed tomorrow bar highly unlikely last minute miracles. Leaving things so late is nearly always a recipe for failure in bringing someone in or being rushed into rash and often highly over priced deals. But who knows what background machinations have been going on.
If Wolves had really wanted Kessie enough they would have opened up the wallet two or three weeks ago on the back of the Cutrone deal imv.
Other supposed 'bids' have all apparently fallen short. How much of that is madly inflated demands and how much a lack of ambition or negotiating skill is very hard to say. But the bottom line is that over a whole summer Cutrone is the only substantive signing with Vallejo being a useful loan deal for someone likely to return to RM after lengthening his contract there. Other business is entirely peripheral to any hopes of further progress this season.
So on the face of it a poor return from all the supposed research work and files of Thelwell and co.

Of course clinching Jiminez and Dendoncker should not be forgotten. But our A team is pretty much unchanged from last season and I wonder what kind of message that sends out to our crown jewels, Ruben and Diogo, as they look to their futures beyond the coming season? We are in deep waters now and to catch up with the big boys is a very expensive business even if your youth policy is relatively productive and you get the odd bargain thanks to Mendes.

Bowin down to players is never a good thing.Compromise is ok.

 

[old wittonian]

Is Hugh Janus a box to box midfielder?

Is he better than Hugh Hampton

 

[Bostin]

Do you not want to see a good creative AM brought in?

I'm 50/50 on Kessie for that reason tbh

I thought that was what everyone wanted. This guy isn't that signing! He's more in the N'Diaye mould

 

[Clifton Wolf]

I thought that was what everyone wanted. This guy isn't that signing! He's more in the N'Diaye mould

Kessie has more goals in his locker for sure

 

[Bostin]

Kessie has more goals in his locker for sure

Well lets face it, he's not going to be a regular starter anyway. Fine as an option I suppose.

 

[Sketchead]

Seems obvious that the deal is on the table if he can negotiate on his wages a bit. Nash has asked the club and they’ve said nothing in it. On purpose. Interesting day ahead.

 

[Deleted member 5242]

I thought that was what everyone wanted. This guy isn't that signing! He's more in the N'Diaye mould

For me personally, I would prefer that mould of player yes, I can't speak for everyone. Would you not prefer a specialist no.10 in the mould of a Maddison type player?

 

[Miniwolf]

For me personally, I would prefer that mould of player yes, I can't speak for everyone. Would you not prefer a specialist no.10 in the mould of a Maddison type player?

But how often would this player play ? Who are you taking out the midfield 3 ? I dont think we would regularly play with a "10".. so who is going to come for the odd 5 mins off the bench or odd start here and there ?

 

[Deleted member 5962]

But how often would this player play ? Who are you taking out the midfield 3 ? I dont think we would regularly play with a "10".. so who is going to come for the odd 5 mins off the bench or odd start here and there ?

Moutinho is 32, he will need someone to rotate with imho so we can keep him at his best. Also with the cups and the EL, along with the bottom 6 of the prem, we will face a lot of teams that will sit deep this year, which would make a number 10 useful.

 

[Deleted member 3751]

For me personally, I would prefer that mould of player yes, I can't speak for everyone. Would you not prefer a specialist no.10 in the mould of a Maddison type player?

I'd be happy but more what Nuno wants though isn't it? I think if you offered him the choice of Bruno Fernandes and Franck Kessie, he'd pick Kessie. It seems to be the type we're perennially linked with. That powerhouse central midfielder who can carry the ball forward and break into the box as opposed to the clever, tricky #10 type who can pick a locked defence

 

[Deleted member 5242]

But how often would this player play ? Who are you taking out the midfield 3 ? I dont think we would regularly play with a "10".. so who is going to come for the odd 5 mins off the bench or odd start here and there ?

I think we need to learn to play with a no.10 / attacking midfielder. We shouldn't need 3 defensive midfielders and 5 defenders against the bottom half. I can understand a more defensive line-up against the top 6.

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

My number one transfer target. I saw plenty of him when he was at Atalanta.

I can see why Nuno would prioritise Kessie above a CAM, because Kessie would fit the system we play now. He covers lots of ground, likes a tackle, likes a shot, can run with the ball. Surprisingly good dribbler, so unlike Moutinho, Neves or Donk, he's the sort of midfielder who will get the ball deep and rather than lay it off, he'll charge up the field with it.

Very good all rounder. And for those who've compared him to N'diaye, he's absolutely nothing like him.[/QUOTE]

I thought that was what everyone wanted. This guy isn't that signing! He's more in the N'Diaye mould

It's hard work on here sometimes

 

[LG Wolf]

Not once under Nuno have we played this number 10 or CAM that everyone is clamouring for.

Our style is all down to the shape of the side and the different departments working together. CAM or 10 players have more of a licence to roam and would alter the rigidity of our side considerably. It isn’t happening.

 

[TheRetroChief]

Is Hugh Janus a box to box midfielder?

Not really....normally plays in the hole

 

[JuliusCaesar]

Kessie absolutely nothing like N'Diaye. For a start, Kessie plays for one of the biggest clubs in the world in one of the world's top football leagues. N'Diaye plays for Malaga in the Spanish second division.

Kessie is a dribbler and ball carrying midfielder. He scored 7 goals in Serie A last season and had 3 assists.

On top of that, there's a reason why Kessie is valued at over £20m and N'Diaye didn't even get his loan made permanent at Wolves.

It's like comparing Ruben Neves to Jack Price in so much as they've both played in midfield for Wolves in a deep lying position, but that's it.

I just can't get on board with the idea to spend a lot of money on a CAM when Wolves don't play with one. If the plan was to incorporate a no 10, I'm sure Wolves have targeted one rather than be linked with Diawara, Gedson, Lemina, Kessie, all of whom are more box to box.

Danny Olmo I could understand because he can actually play the same role that Jota does (whereas, for example, James Maddison couldn't).

I'd say, watch the scouting videos on Kessie and the same on N'Diaye. They're absolutely not alike.

 

[Bostin]

For me personally, I would prefer that mould of player yes, I can't speak for everyone. Would you not prefer a specialist no.10 in the mould of a Maddison type player?

I think we need different options for different opponents.

It's arrogant of us to think that our plan A is enough to beat all teams, because evidently it's not.

We seem to be obsessed with signing players who fit the system and getting rid of those that don't, so I'd be glad to see an alternative option even if I can't see them displacing any of the current 3

 

[dane]

I think we need to learn to play with a no.10 / attacking midfielder. We shouldn't need 3 defensive midfielders and 5 defenders against the bottom half. I can understand a more defensive line-up against the top 6.

No reason we can't drop Jota in behind Raul and Cutrone if teams are proving difficult to break down. Just can't see us buying an AM for half a dozen or so games a season.

 

[Bostin]

It's hard work on here sometimes

Admittedly I am basing that purely on a few articles that I've read, but I stand by the opinion that he's not the number 10 that everyone seems to want.

 

[Miniwolf]

I think we need to learn to play with a no.10 / attacking midfielder. We shouldn't need 3 defensive midfielders and 5 defenders against the bottom half. I can understand a more defensive line-up against the top 6.

I agree, a more attack minded player is needed for certain games, would like to see a more powerful midfielder who can charge forward with the ball and get in the box for crosses

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

Admittedly I am basing that purely on a few articles that I've read, but I stand by the opinion that he's not the number 10 that everyone seems to want.

Not having a go mate, it's just very hard to know what or who to believe. I swear half the posters just go off Fifa, @JuliusCaesar knows his stuff though.

I'm not sure that what I would call a no.10 is what we need at all, I don't claim any tactical acumen, but there's surely no such thing as a no.10 in a 352? We'll probably never have the chance to be convinced though,

 

[Bostin]

Not having a go mate, it's just very hard to know what or who to believe. I swear half the posters @JuliusCaesar knows his stuff though.

I'm not sure that what I would call a no.10 is what we need at all, I don't claim any tactical acumen, but there's surely no such thing as a no.10 in a 352? We'll probably never have the chance to be convinced though,

All about options for me. Really can't see us signing a 'number 10' for £40-50m or whatever it may cost, for him to not start most games because as you say we play 3-5-2!

 

[JuliusCaesar]

Admittedly I am basing that purely on a few articles that I've read, but I stand by the opinion that he's not the number 10 that everyone seems to want.

He isn't a no 10, absolutely correct on that.

I think it's possibly a myth though that a no 10 is the panacea for breaking down stubborn defences.

We're all agreed, I assume, David Silva is one of the best players to have ever played in that CAM role?

Well, he came on for 45 minutes against a very stubborn, disciplined defensive team in a pre-season friendly in Asia a few weeks back and Man City actually didn't look any more likely to break down Wolves defence than when he wasn't on the pitch because our system remained rigid and disciplined. I thought City looked far more likely to score from wide areas, which is where Wolves tend to seek most of their opportunities from via the wingbacks.

I can see the argument for wanting one, I just don't think Nuno is looking in that direction though and it appears he sees more value in adding more horsepower to the middle with an attacking ball carrier. I also reckon if he wanted to, Neves could play no 10 standing on his head, but he'd be wasted there for me.

 

[Sketchead]

Not once under Nuno have we played this number 10 or CAM that everyone is clamouring for.

Our style is all down to the shape of the side and the different departments working together. CAM or 10 players have more of a licence to roam and would alter the rigidity of our side considerably. It isn’t happening.

Correct.

 

[Bostin]

He isn't a no 10, absolutely correct on that.

I think it's possibly a myth though that a no 10 is the panacea for breaking down stubborn defences.

We're all agreed, I assume, David Silva is one of the best players to have ever played in that CAM role?

Well, he came on for 45 minutes against a very stubborn, disciplined defensive team in a pre-season friendly in Asia a few weeks back and Man City actually didn't look any more likely to break down Wolves defence than when he wasn't on the pitch because our system remained rigid and disciplined. I thought City looked far more likely to score from wide areas, which is where Wolves tend to seek most of their opportunities from via the wingbacks.

I can see the argument for wanting one, I just don't think Nuno is looking in that direction though and it appears he sees more value in adding more horsepower to the middle with an attacking ball carrier. I also reckon if he wanted to, Neves could play no 10 standing on his head, but he'd be wasted there for me.

Agreed.

And if we did want a player in the '10' role, we have MGW? it's expecting alot for him to come on and change games but he did it against Chelsea at home and Spurs too.

 

[WonderWolf]

Sportitalia: Wolves have €28m bid for AC Milan midfielder accepted

 

[Deleted member 5242]

He isn't a no 10, absolutely correct on that.

I think it's possibly a myth though that a no 10 is the panacea for breaking down stubborn defences.

We're all agreed, I assume, David Silva is one of the best players to have ever played in that CAM role?

Well, he came on for 45 minutes against a very stubborn, disciplined defensive team in a pre-season friendly in Asia a few weeks back and Man City actually didn't look any more likely to break down Wolves defence than when he wasn't on the pitch because our system remained rigid and disciplined. I thought City looked far more likely to score from wide areas, which is where Wolves tend to seek most of their opportunities from via the wingbacks.

I can see the argument for wanting one, I just don't think Nuno is looking in that direction though and it appears he sees more value in adding more horsepower to the middle with an attacking ball carrier. I also reckon if he wanted to, Neves could play no 10 standing on his head, but he'd be wasted there for me.

I think you're taking the calls for a no.10 too literally.

Whether it's a player capable of taking players on, or passing through the eye of a needle, what we need is a more advanced central midfielder who offers a different dimension to what we currently have. Evidently required by the number of points dropped by teams who parked the bus. Maybe that will be Cutrone in a front 3 with Jimenez and Jota just in behind? But last season our extra threat against teams that sat in was to put Mountinho or Dendonker another 5 yards forward - which is not good enough to kick on I'm afraid.

There's not a cat in hells chance Neves is that player to play in front of a midfield two / just in behind, never in a month of Sundays.

 

[wanderer24]

Well Nuno regularly used MGW as a midfielder who could break the lines between midfield and attack. Call the position what you want, that's what players like MGW do. I think most wolves fans want to see a better version of MGW breaking those lines and linking play.

 

[Deleted member 5242]

Well Nuno regularly used MGW as a midfielder who could break the lines between midfield and attack. Call the position what you want, that's what players like MGW do. I think most wolves fans want to see a better version of MGW breaking those lines and linking play.

Exactly that. MGW should be the understudy, not the plan B, he's not ready for that IMO.

 

[Stafford]

Exactly that. MGW should be the understudy, not the plan B, he's not ready for that IMO.

I think if we bring in an attacking Midfielder MGW needs to go out on loan as he's 20 this year and it's a system we don't play very often.

 

[Rangiora Wolf]

Sportitalia: Wolves have €28m bid for AC Milan midfielder accepted

A reliable source?

 

[Wolf in Kenilworth]

This is happening*













*probably isn’t^






^oh well

 

[Rangiora Wolf]

Looks like old news. The club agree the fee but the personal terms are still an issue

 

[JuliusCaesar]

Agreed.

And if we did want a player in the '10' role, we have MGW? it's expecting alot for him to come on and change games but he did it against Chelsea at home and Spurs too.

I'm with you. I think I'd be more happy to give Gibbs-White another season to show what he can do in that advanced midfield role rather than spend money on the same sort of player who'd not be a starter but would block Gibbs-White from getting more minutes. He might prove to be the man, maybe not, but we'll only find out if he's getting the opportunities.

Personally I'm not in the camp that says we're only a couple of signings away from breaking top 6. That top 6 is filled with clubs who can out bid us for any player and can have shadow squads that would compete for a top 10 place. I think to keep progressing means trusting in the things that got us this far and coming up with new ideas to solve the riddle of beating defensive sides. I think the reality is, there is clearly enough quality in that Wolves team to be able to beat Huddersfield twice but we didn't. I'm not convinced an attacking midfielder brought in for the custom purpose would actually achieve it. Who knows though!

 

[WonderWolf]

A reliable source?

Don't know.

 

[Rangiora Wolf]

Don't know.

Looks like a bit of old news. Personal terms the issue

 

[Rangiora Wolf]

Wolves have €28m bid accepted for Arsenal, Tottenham target
Were'nt the personal terms hold up reported a few days ago. In other words this is just old news?