FA charge GON

[stever]

These ****ers only speak out when someone has a go at them and it is on their terms.

What about the transparency and being culpable for their mistakes? ****

 

[brianm]

Wow… surely then that falls under “NOT clear and obvious” ???

This is what I am basing this on. From The Athletic


"As it was a subjective decision , Robinson requested Harrington to approach the monitor."

How else would one read that?! It's just insulting.

 

[Frank Lincoln]

Vincent Kompany has been punished for speaking out, next in line is Gary O‘Neil. They are trying to silence any kind of disagreement with decisions. What happened to free speech?

 

[JOSWolf]

The club need to do a presentation showing goals scored this season by other sides similar to kilmans with a player near the keeper and demand to know why they were allowed and ours wasn’t. They should also show the incredible amount of awful decisions that have cost us points this season. It would humiliate PGMOL. They are a disgrace and a joke and their pathetic explanation of our goal being disallowed at the weekend is an insult to our players, fans and coaches.

 

[WV10Wolf]

All I’m taking from this is that ref made an horrendous decision and hid in his changing room to avoid the consequences

 

[JOSWolf]

This has made me even more furious than I was at the weekend to be honest. They are a shambles.

 

[Thank you Sir Jack]

I try not to default to "outrage" mode with what happens to the Wolves. I usually succeed and keep serene. However, with what has happened to us over points lost to appalling errors, I am afraid that "outrage" it is.

 

[JOSWolf]

All I’m taking from this is that ref made an horrendous decision and hid in his changing room to avoid the consequences

Totally agree. Zero accountability

 

[JOSWolf]

You can almost guarantee we are going to get a dreadful decision go against us on Saturday.

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

The club need to do a presentation showing goals scored this season by other sides similar to kilmans with a player near the keeper and demand to know why they were allowed and ours wasn’t. They should also show the incredible amount of awful decisions that have cost us points this season. It would humiliate PGMOL. They are a disgrace and a joke and their pathetic explanation of our goal being disallowed at the weekend is an insult to our players, fans and coaches.

Hard to believe it I know, but I totally agree with you on this! Lol

Put an analyst video together of Saturday and other instances where their are goals similar. Put a second part showing all the rest of the poor decisions we’ve had against us and let GON go to his appeal, say not a single word just put the video on.

 

[WV10Wolf]

Next home game have a chorus of “Gary is right, the Ref’s are all ****e”

 

[JOSWolf]

Hard to believe it I know, but I totally agree with you on this! Lol

Put an analyst video together of Saturday and other instances where their are goals similar. Put a second part showing all the rest of the poor decisions we’ve had against us and let GON go to his appeal, say not a single word just put the video on.

No words are needed as you say. Silence will be even more powerful.

 

[JOSWolf]

Next home game have a chorus of “Gary is right, the Ref’s are all ****e”

Love it!

 

[WorcesterWanderer]

Typical FA. Silence any criticism. Well done to GON for speaking out, the whole of our fanbase is on his side and a lot of supporters from other clubs are backing him as well.

 

[WV10Wolf]

This is what I am basing this on. From The Athletic
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"As it was a subjective decision , Robinson requested Harrington to approach the monitor."

How else would one read that?! It's just insulting.

I thought offside was black and white? I don’t recall it being subjective when Netos goal in front of the Kop got ruled out because Jonnys sideburns were offside.

 

[old wittonian]

Vincent Kompany has been punished for speaking out, next in line is Gary O‘Neil. They are trying to silence any kind of disagreement with decisions. What happened to free speech?

Ask Arteta. Oh, I forgot. He's Sky 6.

 

[Minimalist]

Next home game have a chorus of “Gary is right, the Ref’s are all ****e”

It could well work in unison with forest fans Saturday…

Gary is right
The refs are ****e

 

[St. Lukes Reserves]

The club need to do a presentation showing goals scored this season by other sides similar to kilmans with a player near the keeper and demand to know why they were allowed and ours wasn’t. They should also show the incredible amount of awful decisions that have cost us points this season. It would humiliate PGMOL. They are a disgrace and a joke and their pathetic explanation of our goal being disallowed at the weekend is an insult to our players, fans and coaches.

Trouble is a number of goals have been disallowed for the same reason this season

 

[Sussex Wolf]

How many more times must the PGMOL bring the game into disrepute?
The club should defend this and say it how it is.

Take the *******s to court for bringing Gary’s reputation into disrepute. Arrogant ****ers.

 

[Minimalist]

The club need to do a presentation showing goals scored this season by other sides similar to kilmans with a player near the keeper and demand to know why they were allowed and ours wasn’t.

The problem is he was off side, so that creates a different question for the ref.
I don’t think he was obscuring his view so the goal should have stood. But it’s not the same as every other case where a player has been stood there when a goal is scored.

 

[surreywolf]

it’s not the same as every other case where a player has been stood there when a goal is scored.

Indeed. Antonio standing offside and impeding Sa at the other end was far worse (and yes I know it went straight in)

 

[surreywolf]

fair play michail antonio

Michail Antonio on VAR after Wolves v West Ham

Michail Antonio on VAR after Wolves v West Ham

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[brianm]

fair play michail antonio

Michail Antonio on VAR after Wolves v West Ham

Michail Antonio on VAR after Wolves v West Ham

www.bbc.co.uk

Wow. Fair play indeed. He's exactly right too.

Here's a fundamental issue: when people say a decision is subjective, what they mean (I am arguing) is the context is so complex that it can't be neatly fitted into the rulebook. To try to do so is implicitly going to be inadequate because it's just too complex. Hence we have to rely on some human discernment to fill in the gaps and come to a just decision.

And yet when one goes and reviews a "subjective" decision, the context is inherently different. The inadequacy of what follows is baked in. Such an environment leaves little to no room for any of the added value provided by someone who is using human judgement in a way that takes the nuance of the situation into account. The rules become a blunt instrument, and the result is not just.

 

[Tarcisio Mifsud]

They should have punished the VAR and Referee, for going against the logic, that our player who was offside, was hindering their keeper or other opponent to save Kilman's goal.

I remember erlier in this season, I Manchester City goal, was allowed in spite that their player, was clearly disturbing the view of the keeper, as the shot was low and the keeper saw it very late to save. But, the FA use two weights and two measures between teams at the top and teams lower from 8th position in the table. Life is very unkind with our team. Wolves were deprived of no less than 10 points, when they did not break any rule, while teams which broke rules were only given deductions of 6+2 points, and 4 points.

 

[Golden Oldie]

Interesting to see the speed the FA have rustled up and no doubt what penalty GON will receive ... and this in the same time Man City can skate along picking up silverware while the authorities cower and quiver with no timetable even being hinted or what punishment they deserve. Hypocrisy? It beggars belief!

 

[Jawwfc]

If I was GON I'd show them the Ake goal against Fulham where Akanji goes for the ball despite been in an offside position and Harrington called it subjective and decided he wasn't interfering with the goalkeeper. I'd ask why the same ref thought this a few months ago?

They won't do anything until Klopp, Pep etc say anything about the referee then they'll take action... Nuno got Mason right and got a 25k fine for it the moment Arteta says something similar Mason is gone.

 

[Scallywolf]

Take your laptop with you to the hearing, Gary, and show those incompetents all the contentious VAR decisions that have gone against us so far this season. Leave Saturdays terrible decision till the end and ask the incompetents to explain in minute detail why the referee changed his onfield decision and why the linesman didn’t put his flag up.

I would also ask referee Tony Harrington to attend the hearing as well, so he can explain the ludicrous decision! Imo he should, but no doubt he won’t, so he can just carry on ruining proper football people’s weekends, without explanation!

 

[Pagey]

Indeed. Antonio standing offside and impeding Sa at the other end was far worse (and yes I know it went straight in)

How was Antonio off side from a corner?

 

[Wall heath Wanderer]

In his position I would hold a seperate press conference, arrive with a big stack of cash, make a show of putting said stack in a box, label it 'for the cartel bosses', and then let rip at them all.

 

[WeAreTheWolvesII]

It's hard to judge because we don't know what was said. It usually comes out, so we will get a clearer picture if O'Neil deserves the charge then.

 

[Scallywolf]

I wonder if the referee will attend the hearing.

He bloody well should be there imo.

 

[wwbug]

He was right to be angry , but managers and coaches should not be allowed near officials until a cooling off period has a passed . Probably an hour or more.

 

[Norman Bell]

fair play michail antonio

Michail Antonio on VAR after Wolves v West Ham

Michail Antonio on VAR after Wolves v West Ham

www.bbc.co.uk

That is a superb summing up by Michail Antonio. Especially the bit about they have wasted so much money on it they have to make it work.

 

[Wolf316]

Next home game have a chorus of “Gary is right, the Ref’s are all ****e”

Brilliant!

Take your laptop with you to the hearing, Gary, and show those incompetents all the contentious VAR decisions that have gone against us so far this season. Leave Saturdays terrible decision till the end and ask the incompetents to explain in minute detail why the referee changed his onfield decision and why the linesman didn’t put his flag up.

I would also ask referee Tony Harrington to attend the hearing as well, so he can explain the ludicrous decision! Imo he should, but no doubt he won’t, so he can just carry on ruining proper football people’s weekends, without explanation!

Absolutely this! It’s about time the refs had accountability and were made to explain why they come to different conclusion for the same incident.

 

[old wittonian]

Brilliant!

Absolutely this! It’s about time the refs had accountability and were made to explain why they come to different conclusion for the same incident.

I read somewhere it was the assistant VAR guy who recommended he go to the monitor. What did the actual VAR ref think? How many ****ing people actually decide?

 

[martin120863]

Make a note of when Tim Robinson is next at Molineux either as the Ref or 4th official and let him know our thoughts - constantly.

QUESTION:

Who are the most important bodies in football?

Players, teams and fans or referees, TV companies and administrators?

Yes, exactly - how the hell have we ended up with the tail wagging the dog like this.

Refs and administrators should be wholly accountable to the former and not the other way round!

There's no doubt in my mind that VAR is a control mechanism perpetrated by the TV companies to ensure that the Super 6 retain their position.

The referees, like the establishment have their snouts in the TV money trough and it is HUGELY in their interests to retain the status quo, which means repelling and controlling teams outside the 'natural' top 6 as, if a team like Wolves were to gatecrash the party, TV revenues would diminish and the product would be less attractive to subscribers and advertisers.

This is where the real CORRUPTION lies - not in individual supposed errors on field or at Stockley Park.

In Wolves case, there's too much evidence now to disprove this theory and there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE of balancing up over a season.

The decision the other day was yet another instance of anti Wolves bias due to our 'gate crash potential'

It's criminal that the clubs outside the top 6 allow this to happen, and in my opinion Wolves (Fosun) should be preparing a dossier to use as evidence in a law suit.

Silence is merely condoning this abusive situation.

 

[mcwolf]

wonder how GON would like to respond by Monday.........

 

[Superted]

Wow. Fair play indeed. He's exactly right too.

Here's a fundamental issue: when people say a decision is subjective, what they mean (I am arguing) is the context is so complex that it can't be neatly fitted into the rulebook. To try to do so is implicitly going to be inadequate because it's just too complex. Hence we have to rely on some human discernment to fill in the gaps and come to a just decision.

And yet when one goes and reviews a "subjective" decision, the context is inherently different. The inadequacy of what follows is baked in. Such an environment leaves little to no room for any of the added value provided by someone who is using human judgement in a way that takes the nuance of the situation into account. The rules become a blunt instrument, and the result is not just.

See, to me, "subjective" means that an argument can be made either way and the context is that the fact the decision was made in real time on first look, without the benefit of hindsight.

VAR is there solely to give hindsight, but that is only useful if you can clearly demonstrate that in the context of the original situation, an error was made.

If an argument can be made either way, considering the context of the situation, then the on field decision stands, even if the ref feels he probably would have called differently. Only if there is a demonstrable, factual error given the circumstances of the situation should a decision be overturned.

 

[Jefe]

Would love to see the club produce a video of all the **** ups VAR has done, and in turn cost us points. Could play it at the press conference instead of the usual questions and answers.

I remember Mick doing similar when Milijas was sent off for winning the ball.

 

[Wednesbury Wolf]

People seem surprised they've charged him. I predicted this would happen surprised its taken so long.