EFL clubs - PL assistance

[Leominster_Wolf]

Saw this article today, in which PL may be reluctant to assist, especially championship clubs, who may in theory be competitors next season.

Premier League 'may be reluctant' to bail out EFL clubs

Nowhere else is a company being asked to support a competitor and I think a lot of Premier League clubs will think why should we bail out clubs in the Championship who might be competing with us this time next year?

www.skysports.com

I know this topic was done during lockdown and in relation to players wages.
i understand the reluctance and I also understand the viewpoint that we do not urge other sectors to behave to same way, and prop up smaller businesses in the same sector.

but is football more than just a business. This last summer has highlighted how much money there still is in the top level. Big transfer Fees, big wages, big agents fees. should they help lower leagues who are clearly going to struggle without fans in the ground?
one interesting stat in the article is that of the 31 players called up by England in the last squad, 80% have been part of the EFL at some point.
most PL clubs use EFL clubs to some extent to ‘blood’ younger players, get them game time. without the EFL, would it hamper the development of young players?

should there be some sort of ‘adoption’ club system, whereby a PL would financially assist a local EFL club (mainly L1 or L2)
so for example, if we ‘adopted’ Shrewsbury - the average L1 players weekly wage is approx £2300. If we agreed to assist by paying squad wages - 25 x 52 x£2300. This would come to just under £3m - not a huge outlay in terms of our overall expenditure.
Of course the FA and EFL would have to do their bit too, and prop up the others.

maybe instead (or as well as) assistance in terms of online presence/ expertise/ infrastructure to help L1 & L2 clubs generate more income via match streaming etc , to offset loss of crowd money. We’ve been wanting to club to spend big this summer, but not long ago we were L1.

 

[Pagey]

Football is like no other industry, it needs other teams to survive. I've been adverse to the Premier bailing the other leagues out, but I'm slowly coming round to the idea.

I have no idea how it could be done, but I wouldnt want to see cash thrown at clubs who have been mismanaged. Where owners have massively gambled, employing players on ott salaries and living beyond their means.

I read yesterday our local team Wednesfield fc, had received a grant from a Premier league initiative, that will be used to help make the ground more covid secure, and help address some of the costs involved.

 

[waggys left foot]

It looks like Prem will provide loans for L1 and L2 .

But they want Chump to agree to salary cap ,support for Prem having unregulated access to foreign recruitment after Brexit and Prem proposals to curtail season if it gets cancelled.

Chump meanwhile want to leave and become part of Prem.

 

[Newbridge Wolf]

Lenin approves of capitalist Premier League pigs having their assets redistributed.

 

[AndyY]

I do believe that the business structure of football is seriously screwed and this pandemic has brought the chickens home to roost.
There is too much money concentrated in the PL but not easy for that to change. As a first step I would argue that all clubs, whether in the PL or the Conference should be able to sell the TV rights to their matches on an individual streaming basis. Time to forget the Sky (almost) monopoly and for clubs to get money in from control of their own product.

 

[Ewok vs Wolf]

Really don't know the answer but clubs the size of Arsenal putting staff on furlough then spending **** loads of money on player wages and fees just shows how ****ed up this all is.

 

[Contrarian]

Football is like no other industry, it needs other teams to survive. I've been adverse to the Premier bailing the other leagues out, but I'm slowly coming round to the idea.

I have no idea how it could be done, but I wouldnt want to see cash thrown at clubs who have been mismanaged. Where owners have massively gambled, employing players on ott salaries and living beyond their means.

I read yesterday our local team Wednesfield fc, had received a grant from a Premier league initiative, that will be used to help make the ground more covid secure, and help address some of the costs involved.

Agreed. At first glance, it doesn't seem right to support other businesses. But then football is different. It's not like expecting the big supermarkets to support corner shops. It's more like how big supermarkets need to support their suppliers. No suppliers, no food for them.

Would a league of 6 clubs generate as much interest and money as a the league with 92? Of course not, although I do think in England we have been pushing it too far by having 5 levels of professional clubs operating nationally. We could probably have 60 fully pro clubs in 3 divisions, then moving to semi-pro and regional divisions. It's more or less what every other European country has!

 

[waggys left foot]

Government briefing that they won't help the Premier League because the clubs allow millions to leave the game in agents fees.

Clubs spent £263million on agents in season 2019/20 which is more than the EFL want in a rescue package.

Bit fatuous from a government that wastes billions in uncollected tax,consultancy fees and private sector contracts to their mates.

 

[Monketron]

Really don't know the answer but clubs the size of Arsenal putting staff on furlough then spending **** loads of money on player wages and fees just shows how ****ed up this all is.

They even sacked their mascot just to save a pittance. The idea that these clubs would then voluntarily give up 10's of millions of pounds to the Champ is a little optimistic to say the least.

 

[Sedgley Gold N Black]

Government briefing that they won't help the Premier League because the clubs allow millions to leave the game in agents fees.

Clubs spent £263million on agents in season 2019/20 which is more than the EFL want in a rescue package.

Bit fatuous from a government that wastes billions in uncollected tax,consultancy fees and private sector contracts to their mates.

The government is a joke, they’re imposing the restrictions the buck stops with them and no one else.

Agent fees has nothing to do with this, their ridiculous approach to prevent supporters in ground is the issue here, the PL is right to force the Government to take responsibility for their decisions rather than bailing an incompetent Government out.

Supporters in a football ground is more than possible and the football league is viable, it’s the government denying it.

 

[SakosRightFoot]

Agreed. At first glance, it doesn't seem right to support other businesses. But then football is different. It's not like expecting the big supermarkets to support corner shops. It's more like how big supermarkets need to support their suppliers. No suppliers, no food for them.

Would a league of 6 clubs generate as much interest and money as a the league with 92? Of course not, although I do think in England we have been pushing it too far by having 5 levels of professional clubs operating nationally. We could probably have 60 fully pro clubs in 3 divisions, then moving to semi-pro and regional divisions. It's more or less what every other European country has!

Theyre not really the suppliers though. People like to make a lot about England players having played in the football league etc but the truth is they don’t need 72 clubs for that and the game is now global the big clubs have feeder teams around the world they can send young talents too. I’m quite harsh on this issue but so many clubs down the leagues have been so badly run for such a long time that I have little sympathy now. The clubs themselves could have made their leagues more financially stable years ago but they won’t vote to restrict themselves but now go cap in hand to the big clubs for a handout just to give it to players and agents themselves no I’m sorry better some of these clubs go out of business and let fans and local people with true intentions form Phoenix clubs

 

[AndyWolves]

Trying to force the government to open up grounds as the infection rate is rising is irresponsible at best

 

[Ewok vs Wolf]

Trying to force the government to open up grounds as the infection rate is rising is irresponsible at best

So what do we do? Never go to football again? This covid isn't going anywhere

 

[AndyWolves]

So what do we do? Never go to football again? This covid isn't going anywhere

Why bother with any restrictions at all then?

 

[Nivada]

Incredible, just incredible.

 

[Lisas Husband]

The government is a joke, they’re imposing the restrictions the buck stops with them and no one else.

Agent fees has nothing to do with this, their ridiculous approach to prevent supporters in ground is the issue here, the PL is right to force the Government to take responsibility for their decisions rather than bailing an incompetent Government out.

Supporters in a football ground is more than possible and the football league is viable, it’s the government denying it.

I may be wrong but the government have said that they won't bail the Premier League clubs out, I've heard nothing of the EFL clubs.

 

[Cornwall Wolf]

The government is a joke, they’re imposing the restrictions the buck stops with them and no one else.

Agent fees has nothing to do with this, their ridiculous approach to prevent supporters in ground is the issue here, the PL is right to force the Government to take responsibility for their decisions rather than bailing an incompetent Government out.

Supporters in a football ground is more than possible and the football league is viable, it’s the government denying it.

What rubbish . What planet are you on ..40,000 plus have died .. no fans until its safe to do so and thats probably when a vaccine is ready .. uni's have opened people congregate and the infection rises .. open grounds to 30/40,000 fans will increase rates and more people will die ..

 

[Monketron]

The cynic in me feels the Premier League are deliberately stalling until the transfer window closes. What better way to get clubs in the EFL to sell you players cheaper, than making them think they're gonna go to the wall.

 

[WW1963]

Imagine giving Bournemouth a helping hand.

 

[arctic rime]

Imagine giving Bournemouth a helping hand.

Or Watford.

 

[yateleywolf]

What rubbish . What planet are you on ..40,000 plus have died .. no fans until its safe to do so and thats probably when a vaccine is ready .. uni's have opened people congregate and the infection rises .. open grounds to 30/40,000 fans will increase rates and more people will die ..

I can see your point but what happens if the vaccine is delayed one to two years or doesn't stop people being reaffected?
Living with it as safely as possible has to be way and clubs are asking for around 10% of supporters back not 40,000.

 

[WasStefan]

What rubbish . What planet are you on ..40,000 plus have died .. no fans until its safe to do so and thats probably when a vaccine is ready .. uni's have opened people congregate and the infection rises .. open grounds to 30/40,000 fans will increase rates and more people will die ..

Thats it lock the world up for the next 6 months. Great attitude

 

[Cornwall Wolf]

Thats it lock the world up for the next 6 months. Great attitude

And save lives ..

 

[AndyWolves]

The cynic in me feels the Premier League are deliberately stalling until the transfer window closes. What better way to get clubs in the EFL to sell you players cheaper, than making them think they're gonna go to the wall.

There's an element that I agree with here, how can some clubs really ask for help when they could sell some valuable assets to generate millions of pounds

 

[Sedgley Gold N Black]

What rubbish . What planet are you on ..40,000 plus have died .. no fans until its safe to do so and thats probably when a vaccine is ready .. uni's have opened people congregate and the infection rises .. open grounds to 30/40,000 fans will increase rates and more people will die ..

And save lives ..

As witty said, if you’ve not got an underlying health condition it’s less than 1%.

I’m happy to take that risk, if you aren’t stay in your house for the next 6-12 months, maybe even years. If you want to wait for a vaccine that may never come & put your own life on hold fine no problem but it should be up to each individual to make their own choice.

As for Uni’s have opened, we’ve just increased our population immunity significantly with people incredibly unlikely to even suffer a symptom when they’re predominantly socialising with similar people, this should be a huge cause for celebration.

I also doubt the science would disagree that it’s far safer for me to watch it at a football ground than it is in a pub with my mates, hence why Boris and co haven’t been able to come up with anything just like the 10pm curfew.

So for me and many, many others I believe it is safe to be in grounds, just as half of Europe are going, even thought they’ll put a load of stupid restrictions on us but it’s better than what we have now.

 

[Cornwall Wolf]

As witty said, if you’ve not got an underlying health condition it’s less than 1%.

I’m happy to take that risk, if you aren’t stay in your house for the next 6-12 months, maybe even years. If you want to wait for a vaccine that may never come & put your own life on hold fine no problem but it should be up to each individual to make their own choice.

As for Uni’s have opened, we’ve just increased our population immunity significantly with people incredibly unlikely to even suffer a symptom when they’re predominantly socialising with similar people, this should be a huge cause for celebration.

I also doubt the science would disagree that it’s far safer for me to watch it at a football ground than it is in a pub with my mates, hence why Boris and co haven’t been able to come up with anything just like the 10pm curfew.

So for me and many, many others I believe it is safe to be in grounds, just as half of Europe are going, even thought they’ll put a load of stupid restrictions on us but it’s better than what we have now.

So football is more important than lives 40000 plus have died .. and if you are right @ 1% .. of 70 million thats 70000 to die and you are happy with that .. enough said ..

 

[AndyWolves]

So football is more important than lives 40000 plus have died .. and if you are right @ 1% .. of 70 million thats 70000 to die and you are happy with that .. enough said ..

Almost, it's 700,000

 

[WasStefan]

And save lives ..

Average age of deaths from Covid is 82. Average age of any death is 79. Do the maths

 

[Mutchy]

Usual request/reminder. Don't turn this into a general covid thread please.

 

[Sedgley Gold N Black]

So football is more important than lives 40000 plus have died .. and if you are right @ 1% .. of 70 million thats 70000 to die and you are happy with that .. enough said ..

You’re assuming every single person in the country gets infected for a start.

I’m happy to accept my personal risk, if you aren’t you are welcome to stay in their own home and control who comes in and out of your house and what precautions are taken stipulate masks ect.

Back to the EFL assistance, it’s the gov preventing trade, regardless of the underlying reason for the decision, they are the ones choosing what can and can’t happen and it’s their responsibility to shoulder the consequences imo, not the PL.

Sure the PL can help as an act of goodwill but it’s the governments responsibility to, that’s where there should be a difference in the discussion around this.

Those in charge cannot be absolved of their responsibility and pass the buck as they continually seem to be trying to do all through this saga, imo.

 

[Newbridge Wolf]

Government briefing that they won't help the Premier League because the clubs allow millions to leave the game in agents fees.

Clubs spent £263million on agents in season 2019/20 which is more than the EFL want in a rescue package.

Bit fatuous from a government that wastes billions in uncollected tax,consultancy fees and private sector contracts to their mates.

Farcical after today’s news about PPE Medpro.

I was at Bromsgrove yesterday for their game against AFC Rushden & Diamonds, 600 crowd in a 3700 capacity stadium, there’s no reason whatsoever they couldn’t do that as safely at Molineux, it’s just the same old perspective about football supporters not having any rights.

 

[Wolf Pack leader]

What rubbish . What planet are you on ..40,000 plus have died .. no fans until its safe to do so and thats probably when a vaccine is ready .. uni's have opened people congregate and the infection rises .. open grounds to 30/40,000 fans will increase rates and more people will die ..

However only 500 of those 45000 who have passed away were neither elderly or had other health issues - shield the elderly and those with health issues and let the rest of us get on with our lives !!!

 

[Pagey]

Why don't the Premier league add a 10% surcharge to all transfers, that could then be shared across the football league. Most summers they spend approx £1billion. That would create a pot of £100m.

 

[Sedgley Gold N Black]

Boris was asked today by an MP after his statement about the PL saving the rest of the Football league and he said something along the lines of they should and he’ll do all he can to ensure they do, instead of admitting it’s his decision and he’s going to own the fallout.

I hope the PL rip him a new one personally.

 

[trybalwolf]

Well this should sort things out...... Project Big Plan
Only a small step from no relegation and a closed system like American football, fine if you're on the inside.

 

[Very Proud (AKA Still Proud)]

Well this should sort things out...... Project Big Plan
Only a small step from no relegation and a closed system like American football, fine if you're on the inside.

Just beggars the question, exactly how much is Parry getting in a big brown envelope to cow-tow to these Americans? It's so bloody obvious he has a vested interest it's unreal, could blow any more smoke up the arses of LiVARpool and Manure if he tried.

 

[Frank Lincoln]

Why don't the Premier league add a 10% surcharge to all transfers, that could then be shared across the football league. Most summers they spend approx £1billion. That would create a pot of £100m.

A very sensible suggestion. Another thing that should be looked at is the fees given to players agents. The Premier League is awash with money, surely it is within the bounds of possibility that some of that money could be filtered down to the EFL, and particularly to clubs in leagues one and two.

 

[glorybox]

I'd suggest a tax on earnings only for each Premier league club, thus ensuring no clever accounting goes on, distributed down the pyramid.

 

[WolfInSheep'sClothing]

Thats it lock the world up for the next 6 months. Great attitude

I don't understand why it is such a bad attitude. This isn't forever, though it might seem like it.

 

[WasStefan]

I don't understand why it is such a bad attitude. This isn't forever, though it might seem like it.

Because the damage to the economy would be irreversible. Thousands of economic related deaths