Clearing the decks or Firesale?

[Jd132]

I can see lots of fans online and people across the media getting very nervous about Wolves and our approach to this Summer transfer window.

So, at this stage, I am interested to understand whether people think we are simply clearing the decks and will bring in 4 or 5 once they are cleared? Or are we watching a full blown fire sale happening right in front of us?

My view is that people's answer to that question will largely depend on their trust in Jeff and Fosun but I think it's fair to say no-one actually knows at this stage.

The only other indicator I think we have is Julen's decision to stay which would suggest he thinks he's going to get his team.

Interested to know what others think.

 

[WolfInSheep'sClothing]

If it was a fire sale we would have accepted the bid for Kilman.

 

[North West Wanderer]

Hobbs was very clear in our approach, and reputable journalists have backed this up.
JL is agreeing to remain out manager so it’s highly unlikely that it’s a fire sale.

We needed a reboot and we are getting one.

 

[woop woop barmy army]

Clearing the decks, we are getting good fees in for the plans, just need to remove the dead wood now.

 

[northnorfolkwolf]

'Clearing the decks', 'Fire sale' - what's the difference? Another thread to discuss again what we've discussed already a million times?

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

The squad was a mess and we're restructuring it. Apart from the inevitable Neves sale we haven't weakened the starting team. We've massively cut the wage bill and we're trimming some squad members who won't contribute enough for their value (not to mention the 17 limit). So it's all going much as expected so far, good sale prices. Not that what any of us think matters, but we need to just hold our nerve and the incomings will start soon. Anyone who thinks this is an attempt to cut and run by Fosun is just stirring IMO (is there actually anyone who believes this?)

 

[DJLWolf]

I don't see why people are panicking at all.

I would be panicking if the opposite was happening and we weren't moving players on and I hope to see more of the underperforming/average players we've got leave.

Lopetegui was always going to want to create a new squad and bring in his own players.

Let the media view it as a panicked ploy if they want.In reality we are moving on players who are no longer needed for good sums that will be reinvested into strengthening our squad under a top class manager!

 

[wolfgar]

If it was a fire sale we wouldn't have turned down £30 million for Kilman. Neves was always going to leave, Coady was done here and Collins wasn't going to play under Lopetegui?

 

[Ned]

It’s a bit of both, imo.

 

[Zico]

We are raising money and will bring players in. Why is that so hard to understand? The quality of the players to come in is obviously open to question, but I don't know why there's a debate about the plan, when it's been announced and is being carried out.

 

[Aurum Lupus]

'Clearing the decks', 'Fire sale' - what's the difference? Another thread to discuss again what we've discussed already a million times?

Agreed, if you have a negative outlook it's a firesale. If you're positive it's clearing the decks.

 

[northnorfolkwolf]

We are raising money and will bring players in. Why is that so hard to understand? The quality of the players to come in is obviously open to question, but I don't know why there's a debate about the plan, when it's been announced and is being carried out.

I'm really enjoying the break from football but in one respect I can't wait for the new season to start as we can discus real events than just conjecture/rumours as at present.

 

[Fifty Niner]

The squad has become stale, can’t score goals and is unbalanced. It needs a rebuild and a change of playing style. There is still five weeks until kick off. Plenty of time.

 

[Chisels_n_ommers]

Fire sale definition - a sale of goods or assets at a very low price, typically when the seller is facing bankruptcy.

None of our sales have been at a very low price - quite the opposite

 

[Streathamwolf]

The squad was a mess and we're restructuring it. Apart from the inevitable Neves sale we haven't weakened the starting team. We've massively cut the wage bill and we're trimming some squad members who won't contribute enough for their value (not to mention the 17 limit). So it's all going much as expected so far, good sale prices. Not that what any of us think matters, but we need to just hold our nerve and the incomings will start soon. Anyone who thinks this is an attempt to cut and run by Fosun is just stirring IMO (is there actually anyone who believes this?)

2 apparently.

 

[Wolf in Kenilworth]

Every player has a price.
We don’t need to sell every player.

Selective sales by us so far. If they don’t fit in with Julens plans they will be sold. If we receive bids too good to turn down they will be sold.

A firesale implies panic and financial problems which we don’t have.

I trust them to get it right this time. If we want to keep our manager they will have to.

 

[North West Wanderer]

it’s a slow burner this transfer window for sure

 

[theweave]

I'm really enjoying the break from football but in one respect I can't wait for the new season to start as we can discus real events than just conjecture/rumours as at present.

You know you can just stay away from the forum until the season starts?

 

[ewarwoowar]

i honestly think this is a case of wait and see, although we don`t have much choice in that and we may well be pleasantly surprised

 

[WolfLing]

i honestly think this is a case of wait and see, although we don`t have much choice in that and we may well be pleasantly surprised

Yeah, I have a feeling we will be this season's Forest. The season before's Crystal Palace. Both went on to have much better seasons than they were expected to.

The media will roll out the old clichés about high turnover of players, but the reality is it's all change, with a top quality manager having a full pre-season to get his ideas across.

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

Clear the decks long long overdue

 

[TriumphWolf]

If it was a fire sale we would have accepted the bid for Kilman.

This sums it up perfectly for me.

 

[Minimalist]

I normally feel a squad of 20 outfield players is about right. Given the serious injuries to Chiquinho & Sasa I would probably have them as an extra 2. So 22 outfield players. We currently have 27 senior outfield players.
So to my mind if we want to bring in just 3 new players, we still need to ideally sell or loan out 8 more! It’s not a fire sale, it’s shaping the squad.

 

[Bryce]

As soon as Neves went for that money any lingering chance of a fire sale went in my opinion.
We are always very secretive in our dealings hence why we find out next to nothing beforehand

 

[S G Wolves]

The 2 people who said it was a fire sale please own up

 

[Scallywolf]

If it was a fire sale we would have accepted the bid for Kilman.

And JL would have left!

 

[Monswolf]

I just don't see it as a fire sale. We have known for the best part of a season and a half that there are members of the squad that were either leaving or in need of been moved on. This too me looks like a very sensible way of doing things before adding to the squad in area's we know need improving.

also remember Julen did near enough the exact same thing with Sevilla before having an excellent season

 

[Scallywolf]

I don’t think for one minute that JL would be with us if it was a fire sale.

He will be fully up to date with transfer dealings and would have had a big input in the decisions made so far and will obviously have a big influence on the decisions to come.

Have to admit I am getting a bit twitchy, though, with other clubs making moves and getting players in early. Man City, Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal, Yanited, Liverpool and Newcastle have already spent big money and we have got a goalkeeper on a free transfer!

 

[yateleywolf]

Moving on the high earners so I see the club as readjusting it's wage structure which could be seen as its overall attempt to make the club self-sufficent.

 

[Beijing Wolf]

The 2 people who said it was a fire sale please own up

I think most of us can guess which posters they are!!!

 

[Stafford]

it's both.

We'll bring in some players, but nowhere near the spend which some are expecting. We have to sell and Fosun have been clear on that.
Surprised by the positivity compared to previous windows.

 

[Aurum Lupus]

I think most of us can guess which posters they are!!!

Was just about to say the same thing!

 

[Northampton_wolf]

the fact we rejected the kilman bid, all but confirms its deck clearing and not firesale

its getting rid of players that JL doesnt like the look of or doesnt fit his system and plans

 

[lets all have a disco]

The firesale is over Neves , Coady and Collins...that was for FFP.

The rest will be clearing the decks ....

 

[SuperGran]

The firesale is over Neves , Coady and Collins...that was for FFP.

The rest will be clearing the decks ....

Only neves would have started the season
Fire sale is panic selling off assets - not the case with Coady or collins. We’d have got more by accepting the bid for killman

 

[SuperGran]

the fact we rejected the kilman bid, all but confirms its deck clearing and not firesale

its getting rid of players that JL doesnt like the look of or doesnt fit his system and plans

Exactly
We are balancing the books not broke.

 

[lets all have a disco]

Only neves would have started the season
Fire sale is panic selling off assets - not the case with Coady or collins. We’d have got more by accepting the bid for killman

Yes....didn't mean it that way ...we needed to raise a figure for FFP it was done ..with those 3 sales....and probably earlier than expected with the Neves fee . .....

We cant judge if we would had got more for kilman, cause we don't nw what bids we had ..but I reckon lopetugui would have preferred kilman out the two, that's obvious because he picked the one and not the other ...

 

[jrpb-3]

Clearing the decks, although how well they will be restocked by the start of the season is still unknown

 

[AndyWolves]

The answer is in the dictionary

 

[Bill S Preston Esq.]

The firesale is over Neves , Coady and Collins...that was for FFP.

The rest will be clearing the decks ....

Nonsense that that's a fire sale. Neves should have left a year ago. Coady wants first team football/ burned his bridges/not wanted (2 of these 3 are true), Collins not fancied.

Good money for all of them puts us on an even keel.