Brentford verdict

[wolfslair]

So you’ve moved on to the next person to hate - do you have to have someone to belittle at all times?

Don’t have to hate someone to think they aren’t good at their job…..

Been very very very consistent about Jeff for a very long time!

Did really well in the Nuno years, but it is mishap after mishap since then.

Promoting sellers and keeping him in a job he was not close to right for.

Repeated moving of the goal posts on transfer plans for two successive managers…..

The failure to bring in any kind of specialist central striker of any kind for multiple seasons…. Relying on bad signings like Willian Jose, injury prone and broke on debut Sasa, wasting £35m on an unproven kid, let us go into the season with a striker with a known and serious hip injury when he broke down we didn’t even give lage a striker till weeks into the season.

Not backing Nuno and turning 2 x 7th place into a dour team that dropped down the league, from a fantastic base and foundation.

The appointment of Doctor Rob Chakraverty, a proven crap performer who due to his poor skills here saw a significant spike in the squad injury record declining.

 

[Scallywolf]

When GON is over achieving this season, yes!

He hasn’t got the options he needs and said he needed up top! We went into this season with a much weaker squad in depth and quality than what finished last season.

Sometimes other people perform better than what they should despite the lack of foundation or access to adequate tools given to them by management

To pick up on your second paragraph.

We have a weaker squad now than we had at the start of the season!

We must have one of the smallest squads in the Premier League.

 

[wolfslair]

To pick up on your second paragraph.

We have a weaker squad now than we had at the start of the season!

We must have one of the smallest squads in the Premier League.

All down to the planning of Jeff…..

Who people defend despite him hamstringing multiple managers with his inability to build/refresh a squad since our last 7th place…..

Thank god Hobbs is now in situe!

 

[Black Country Wanderer]

GON said it all in his after match statement really
Nowhere near good enough and horrendous mistakes with their goals
Losing our two main goal threats before and during the game was crucial
Brentford break up play so effectively and we couldnt get any rhythm
Lets hope both injuries are not bad ones as GON thinks both should be ok, but need to wait for Monday to check them out
Bad day at the office it happens we move on

 

[wolfgar]

I’ve not read the rest of this thread, so this is my own take on it

We were poor first half but still managed to create, we never used to under JL BL when we were poor. Second half we played some great stuff but the lack of a number nine is killing us, put Toney in our team we win that game. Neto put a ball right across the 6 yard box, no one had the instinct to be there

We will finish 10/14th and we will throw in poor halves like yesterday it’s just what it is, no point in over reacting, the board now need to get the number 9 most of us know we need, yet some told us we didn’t.

First goal though, 2 mistakes, first Semedo did brilliant to cover but then slices for a corner when Sa could’ve took it, love to know if Sa called, or Semedo didn’t get a call. Then the delivery from corner is keepers all day long. Sa made 2 great saves but was culpable for both goals

There was a moment where Neto in the first half, got free on the byeline and flashed a wonderful cross across the six yard box. No-one anywhere near it for us. It made me wonder where else exactly our players thought he was going to put it? 10 yards outside the penalty box apparently? I dare say if Toney were a Wolves player it would have ended up in the net?

 

[Premier Quality]

Don’t have to hate someone to think they aren’t good at their job…..

Been very very very consistent about Jeff for a very long time!

Did really well in the Nuno years, but it is mishap after mishap since then.

Promoting sellers and keeping him in a job he was not close to right for.

Repeated moving of the goal posts on transfer plans for two successive managers…..

The failure to bring in any kind of specialist central striker of any kind for multiple seasons…. Relying on bad signings like Willian Jose, injury prone and broke on debut Sasa, wasting £35m on an unproven kid, let us go into the season with a striker with a known and serious hip injury when he broke down we didn’t even give lage a striker till weeks into the season.

Not backing Nuno and turning 2 x 7th place into a dour team that dropped down the league, from a fantastic base and foundation.

The appointment of Doctor Rob Chakraverty, a proven crap performer who due to his poor skills here saw a significant spike in the squad injury record declining.

It gets to the point where it’s hard to seperate you and wearethewolves in the constant whinging and negativity - when you’re in that company, it’s probably time to step away from the keyboard for a bit…

 

[Stourport wolf]

All down to the planning of Jeff…..

Who people defend despite him hamstringing multiple managers with his inability to build/refresh a squad since our last 7th place…..

Thank god Hobbs is now in situe!

Would you agree that Jeff is responsible for Wolves longest run in top flight football iin over 45 years?

 

[Scallywolf]

All down to the planning of Jeff…..

Who people defend despite him hamstringing multiple managers with his inability to build/refresh a squad since our last 7th place…..

Thank god Hobbs is now in situe!

I just hope that we significantly add to the squad in the summer, but no doubt will hear ‘We have to sell to buy’ and ‘We have to be self sustainable’ ringing out.

I am getting the impression we are in the Premier league to survive only and hopefully have a decent run in the Cup competitions to give us something to cheer.

We are overachieving by a long way this season, but how long will that continue?

We have been fortunate with injuries this season, but we were pretty poor up front yesterday, without Cunha and Channy. No real backup and Fraser is nowhere near ready. Who else have we got?

 

[wolfslair]

Would you agree that Jeff is responsible for Wolves longest run in top flight football iin over 45 years?

So you think he has made this easy on the people who have allowed that to happen in the players and multiple managers?

As the failings with sellers, Doctor Rob Chakraverty, the squad refreshing, the balls with adama and Barca he is making glaring errors.

Just because you get a positive result, it doesn’t mean everything went well or couldn’t have been done better!

 

[wolfslair]

It gets to the point where it’s hard to seperate you and wearethewolves in the constant whinging and negativity - when you’re in that company, it’s probably time to step away from the keyboard for a bit…

Welcome to a forum….. people have different opinions to each other based on what they see…

Some see only positives or spin to the positive.

Others have another perspective.

Telling people to “step away” is a bit censorship like isn’t it mate……

Enjoy discussion and debate with those on a forum, if you only want to see positive and happy crappy, then question what a forum does if that is what you expect

 

[wolfgar]

I just hope that we significantly add to the squad in the summer, but no doubt will hear ‘We have to sell to buy’ and ‘We have to be self sustainable’ ringing out.

I am getting the impression we are in the Premier league to survive only and hopefully have a decent run in the Cup competitions to give us something to cheer.

We are overachieving by a long way this season, but how long will that continue?

We have been fortunate with injuries this season, but we were pretty poor up front yesterday, without Cunha and Channy. No real backup and Fraser is nowhere near ready. Who else have we got?

We will be selling to buy again for sure and I’m certain you will be hearing this. Who and how quickly that happens we’ll soon see. The squad needs a few upgrades and two or three bodies added, as well as replacing anyone we move on, so its a huge window for us. I’d be lying if I said I have total confidence we will play a total blinder though? I thought we were going to be doing some proper business last summer and would bring in a couple in Jan?

Much may depend what we can get for Cundle, Sasa, Guedes and Silva (prob a loan at best) as this will help matters, but I’d expect on or two big sales and 4/5 at least coming in personally? Neto, Ait Nouri, Kilman, Sa all possibles? Whether we can then got all/most of our signings spot on though will be the big question.

 

[Oliwolf44]

Said I'd never go and watch wolves Vs Brentford again due to their antics and the boredom these games create. Sounds like I've dodged a bullet from reading the comments and been proven sound in decision making lol.

 

[Black Country Wanderer]

We will be selling to buy again for sure and I’m certain you will be hearing this. Who and how quickly that happens is the question I’d say? The squad needs a few upgrades and two or three bodies added, as well as replacing anyone we move on, so its a huge window for us. I’d be lying if I said I have total confidence we will play a total blinder though?

Much may depend what we can get for Cundle, Sasa, Guedes and Silva (prob a loan at best) as this will help matters, but I’d expect on or two big sales and 4/5 at least coming in personally? Neto, Ait Nouri, Kilman, Sa all possibles? Whether we can then got all/most of our signings spot on though is the big question.

I agree we need upgrades on a few and a few more bodies in the squad
That said i cant see a major facelift this summer unless Neto and maybe RAN/Kilman go for good profits
Replacing Neto is probably the most difficult one i guess but we did ok without him so a decent replacement may suffice for the short term
We need to get the 2 big loss making seasons off the books before we can expect major investment its that simple really

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

Said I'd never go and watch wolves Vs Brentford again due to their antics and the boredom these games create. Sounds like I've dodged a bullet from reading the comments and been proven sound in decision making lol.

You did no miss much. We move on. Beating spurs would be the typical Wolves

 

[Stourport wolf]

So you think he has made this easy on the people who have allowed that to happen in the players and multiple managers?

As the failings with sellers, Doctor Rob Chakraverty, the squad refreshing, the balls with adama and Barca he is making glaring errors.

Just because you get a positive result, it doesn’t mean everything went well or couldn’t have been done better!

Can you answer the question, please, with a yes or no.

Is Jeff responsible for Wolves longest run in top flight football in over 45 years?

 

[wolfslair]

Can you answer the question, please, with a yes or no?

Younasked a question that has too much nuance to allow for a simple yes or no answer

Unless you want to allow for the fair answer in my opinion of;

As my answer Meets in the middle -

past good work so first few years, where he build the “dream team” for the championship win and early prem year. Would be yes, he did a great job

To now, on the last few years alone since the two 7th places, no I do not think he is doing or done a good job year on year since then

 

[Tarcisio Mifsud]

I really cannot understand why we have to fall behind to start playing. As usual that was the case yesterday.

I expected GON to shout at SA and tell him to stop making stupid passes, each time creating an opportunity for Brentford to go ahead. The first goal was an error between SA and Dawson. The second goal started again from a bad pass by SA.

GON needs to attend to these deficiencies in our team.

 

[Slothmonkey]

Is she bigger and tougher than you? Ok, If not then you gotta stop her by any means possible. Extreme prejudice is authorized
Use your charm….

Haha she would definitely win the fight.

 

[Stourport wolf]

Younasked a question that has too much nuance to allow for a simple yes or no answer

Unless you want to allow for the fair answer in my opinion of;

As my answer Meets in the middle -

past good work so first few years, where he build the “dream team” for the championship win and early prem year. Would be yes, he did a great job

To now, on the last few years alone since the two 7th places, no I do not think he is doing or done a good job year on year since then

It is a simple question, with a simple answer and you aren't answering the question I asked you.

I'll try again.

Is Jeff responsible for giving Wolves their longest run in top flight football, in over 45 years?

Yes or No

 

[wolfslair]

It is a simple question, with a simple answer and you aren't answering the question I asked you.

I'll try again.

Is Jeff responsible for giving Wolves their longest run in top flight football, in over 45 years?

Yes or No

Solely responsible, no…..

Partly responsible yes

 

[Stourport wolf]

Solely responsible, no…..

Partly responsible yes

So you make him responsible for everything you believe is wrong, but only make him partly responsible for the success.

No wonder you talk so much judgemental *******s.

 

[Black Country Wanderer]

I really cannot understand why we have to fall behind to start playing. As usual that was the case yesterday.

I expected GON to shout at SA and tell him to stop making stupid passes, each time creating an opportunity for Brentford to go ahead. The first goal was an error between SA and Dawson. The second goal started again from a bad pass by SA.

GON needs to attend to these deficiencies in our team.

Tbf the second goal was solely down to Dawson

 

[WickedWolfie]

So you make him responsible for everything you believe is wrong, but only make him partly responsible for the success.

No wonder you talk so much judgemental *******s.

To be honest reducing a highly complex issue to a simple yes/no question with no reflection of nuance or the provision of adequate information to properly consider the question is not a good thing. Think certain political decisions....

 

[SA Wolf]

Would you agree that Jeff is responsible for Wolves longest run in top flight football iin over 45 years?

No. It's in spite of Jeff. Inexperienced in football and relied on Mendes (too much), Dalrymple (went too early), Thelwell, Sellars (haha) and now Hobbs.
To believe that Shi is responsible for our Prem stay is like saying that it is all down to Guo.

 

[wolfslair]

So you make him responsible for everything you believe is wrong, but only make him partly responsible for the success.

No wonder you talk so much judgemental *******s.

Right, you are asking for one word answers……

Jeff made the right calls as an individual to put those people in place, they then delivered.

So he did his job fantastically at the start.

That is clear,

However, when he puts people in posts like sellers, the dr who screwed up our fitness and availability, letting them stay in post when they were failing is on HIM as the leader of the ship.

The failing of people he puts in place, the movement on goal posts on GON and JL in regards to transfers are on him as being the leader it is his job to put the right people in place and to set his team below for success.

And at the moment he isn’t setting people up to succeed.

He fixed the FFP problem, I praised him for doing it. But we need to look at why we got there…. Praise for fixing, but review the why

 

[groundhogwolf]

I really cannot understand why we have to fall behind to start playing. As usual that was the case yesterday.

I expected GON to shout at SA and tell him to stop making stupid passes, each time creating an opportunity for Brentford to go ahead. The first goal was an error between SA and Dawson. The second goal started again from a bad pass by SA.

GON needs to attend to these deficiencies in our team.

Without doubt Sa’s poor distribution and loss of concentration has a impact on games, like when he kicked the ball into touch against Man U at home quickly followed by the first goal, just shows how bad Bentley must be, 2 important positions need attain the summer top and bottom and of the pitch.

 

[SA Wolf]

I really cannot understand why we have to fall behind to start playing. As usual that was the case yesterday.

I expected GON to shout at SA and tell him to stop making stupid passes, each time creating an opportunity for Brentford to go ahead. The first goal was an error between SA and Dawson. The second goal started again from a bad pass by SA.

GON needs to attend to these deficiencies in our team.

What have I done?

 

[LosgallardosWolf]

Bad day at the office , move on

 

[WickedWolfie]

What have I done?

Don't matter, mate, you deserve to be shouted at because.... lol

 

[Stourport wolf]

To be honest reducing a highly complex issue to a simple yes/no question with no reflection of nuance or the provision of adequate information to properly consider the question is not a good thing. Think certain political decisions....

It is OK, he gave the answer I thought he would.
As soon as you know someone fully blames someone when things go wrong, but doesn't give him full credit when things go right, you can understand why he makes the statements he does.

 

[loppers86]

Oh look we've lost and you've posted an essay. What are the odds

we didn’t just lose though did we? exactly as the poster said, an injury in the 20th minute and we are done for the game.

there’s simply no option on the
bench that makes us even half the team we were before.

We are in the top 10 of the premier
league and our striking options are worse than Albion’s.

You can talk all you like about FFP and no money, but the root of this poor management.

We’ve seen it all before so many times… a club has an amazing season and inexplicably sinks like a stone the following year. Our lack of squad depth and poor senior management make us a prime candidate for this, indeed this was happening to us last year until JL saved us.

 

[WickedWolfie]

It is OK, he gave the answer I thought he would.
As soon as you know someone fully blames someone when things go wrong, but doesn't give him full credit when things go right, you can understand why he makes the statements he does.

The reductive question you posed was deliberately disingenuous. Had he answered "yes" you would have been all over him for any subsequent qualifications that he made. Had he said "no" you would have accused him of ignoring facts.

In truth, and not for the first time, you would only accept confirmation of your own view. That is not what a forum is about.

 

[WeAreTheWolvesII]

It is OK, he gave the answer I thought he would.
As soon as you know someone fully blames someone when things go wrong, but doesn't give him full credit when things go right, you can understand why he makes the statements he does.

Comments like these are absolutely brilliant for those of us old enough to remember your stance on Lopetegui

 

[wolfslair]

It is OK, he gave the answer I thought he would.
As soon as you know someone fully blames someone when things go wrong, but doesn't give him full credit when things go right, you can understand why he makes the statements he does.

You have seen me praise the early years…… I will not and have not put those achievements down….

I have even defended and PRAISED him for his express and star articles as they a nice insight into the guy. Open up and let us in, that is to be applauded.

But I am not happy with recent years…..

I am allowed to seperate recent Jeff performance from my opinion of his current performance. As I will always thank him for his great work in the early years.

I am disappointed he isn’t keeping that track record going.

I want him to get back there, putting Hobbs in place was a massive step forward. Again an appointment I praised him for making.

 

[Stourport wolf]

Right, you are asking for one word answers……

Jeff made the right calls as an individual to put those people in place, they then delivered.

So he did his job fantastically at the start.

That is clear,

However, when he puts people in posts like sellers, the dr who screwed up our fitness and availability, letting them stay in post when they were failing is on HIM as the leader of the ship.

The failing of people he puts in place, the movement on goal posts on GON and JL in regards to transfers are on him as being the leader it is his job to put the right people in place and to set his team below for success.

And at the moment he isn’t setting people up to succeed.

He fixed the FFP problem, I praised him for doing it. But we need to look at why we got there…. Praise for fixing, but review the why

That isn't a one word answer, lol

You answered the question in another post. Jeff is responsible when things go wrong, but not fully responsible when things go right.
I just needed to understand where you were coming from, which I do now.

 

[wolfslair]

Comments like these are absolutely brilliant for those of us old enough to remember your stance on Lopetegui

I didn’t want to poke that bear lol……

I don’t have the place to call that after my shameful attacks on GON that was Jeff frustrations shunted onto a nice bloke, who didn’t deserve it.

 

[wolfslair]

That isn't a one word answer, lol

You answered the question in another post. Jeff is responsible when things go wrong, but not fully responsible when things go right.
I just needed to understand where you were coming from, which I do now.

That is leadership!!!

Your job is viewed on the success of those beneath you! If they do well, you do well, you did your job well.

They do badly, your team does badly, often you chose the wrong people or didn’t set up for success… that always falls on the person who built the team and put the structures in place.

 

[Stourport wolf]

Comments like these are absolutely brilliant for those of us old enough to remember your stance on Lopetegui

I was always waiting for that reply and people were free to make up their own minds if I was right about him or not.

When we lost matches when he was our manager, I never criticised him once and gave him credit when we won.

That is completely different to blaming someone when things go wrong and not giving them credit when they go right.

Wouldn't you agree?

 

[WeAreTheWolvesII]

I was always waiting for that reply and people were free to make up their own minds if I was right about him or not.

When we lost matches when he was our manager, I never criticised him once and gave him credit when we won.

That is completely different to blaming someone when things go wrong and not giving them credit when they go right.

Wouldn't you agree?

I don't really want to get into another Lopetegui debate.

I take your comments to Wolfslair as asking for balance, and looking at the bigger picture with Jeff Shi. Which I found ironic as it's exactly what you didn't do with Lopetegui.

 

[Asthmatic Wolf]

All those arguments when the window closed. All the name calling, all the belittling. What a terrible day for so many posters on here. I probably will get round to naming them at some point, but it really is shameful the way they acted and spoke to posters when all the fears and concerns were played out on this terrible afternoon.

It may sound dramatic, but this is the day our season finished.

I don't even care about the result. With the exception of Luton, Sheffield United and Burnley, any side can beat any side, and there's very little between the teams. When Brentford don't have Ivan Toney, Wolves win. When Wolves don't have Matheus Cunha, Brentford win. The margins are so small.

When Cunha limped off, we were done today and until he returns. We all knew it, and it proved to be the case.

We were bringing on a player who was meant to be playing for Shrewsbury at Derby today. How can I blame him? How can I blame O'Neil? You can't. Although, the latter needs to grow a pair and actually speak up. Sasa or Silva would have come on if they were available today.

Forget the time wasting - everyone does it. We deservedly lost on the balance of play today. We barely created a chance of note.

Forget blaming Bellegarde for playing in a position he doesn't play - even if there are doubts about whether he's good enough in his best role, that criticism is valid.

Forget even questioning Fraser. If Wolves did what was best for his development, he would've been in League One today. In fairness, he gave his all as well, it's not his fault he's not yet ready.

We know why we lost today. We know why we're likely to lose regularly over the next 2-3 months until our best player recovers from a hamstring injury.

Injuries happen, and they were always going to happen.

The league is now over, and Brighton will end the season officially later this month. I'm just so glad we've got enough points to stay clear of relegation.

‘A day that will live in infamy…’