Away support from a long long time ago

[derbyrameater]

Just been reading about how the term `Derby` match came about, many different theories but there was a small snippet about `away` support at football in the early years of the 20th century.

as the crowds could not afford to travel very little away support if any but the local Derby was one you could travel to.

Someone posted some old black and white photos from a very distant past but I wondered if any real oldies or maybe a grand parent who can recall the very early days of away support..the numbers and how it was done, no motorways back then..

 

[Burton Wolf]

Uruguay v Argentina World Cup Final 1930 is a good read on Wiki

 

[UNCLE REMUS]

WBA always the 79 or the train to HAWTHORNES HALT
Villa Train Aston
Manchester/Stoke/Liverpool/London train from Coseley or Wolves

Anywhere else change at Birmingham

Great Days.

We used to go to some places in my old mans lorry.

Always managed a reasonable away following despite the restrictions, Remember away days at Bolton in the cup, Newcastle, Leicester, Luton, last time we won it. People even then used to dress up, have big cardboard cups covered in Silver paper and the great thing was that all the fans used to be in together.

 

[derbyrameater]

thinking back in time a lot further, pre WW2..

 

[UNCLE REMUS]

thinking back in time a lot further, pre WW2..

Didn't Elgar bike it from Malvern.

Trains were in existence then a few thousand at Wembley in 1939, must have been a few fans at Fallowfield,The Oval,Crystal Palace.

I was talking about mid to late 50's

 

[Bromsgrove_Wolf]

Didn't Elgar bike it from Malvern.

Trains were in existence then a few thousand at Wembley in 1939, must have been a few fans at Fallowfield,The Oval,Crystal Palace.

I was talking about mid to late 50's

Elgar did just that, he used to cycle back after the game to, what is now, Lloyds bar in Worcester, for an after game drink and also played music there.

 

[NOKASPLACE]

so why is it called a derby???

 

[derbyrameater]

many different theories, some relate it to the game played in Derby (the same one as played in Ashborne on Shrove Tuesday between the `uppers` and `downers`, the two parts of the town http://www.ashbourne-town.com/events/football.html
I didn`t know it existed in Derby but was stopped by the mayor http://www.derby.gov.uk/LeisureCulture/MuseumsGalleries/AtPlaytreasureShrovetideFootball.htm

Take your pick from these, some appear on other links and there is more in depth stuff, what the answer is who knows but bring on the tescos..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_derby

 

[Veins Of Old Gold]

Without sounding funny or disrespectful. Who is Elgar?

 

[Dewsburywolf]

Without sounding funny or disrespectful. Who is Elgar?

Some might say Britain's greatest classical composer

 

[Ginger Chimp]

Without sounding funny or disrespectful. Who is Elgar?

Edward Elgar? Used to be on a £20 note. Pomp and Circumstance. Britain's most famous composer.

Seriously? :-(

 

[justfriggin]

Elgar is England's answer to Mozart. Renowned for his "Enigma Variations". He also supposedly in the Cowshed End wrote the very first Football Chant which he dedicated to Wolves Centre Forward Billy Malpass. Remember him ?

 

[Veins Of Old Gold]

No, never heard of the guy. I'm only 21 though.

Was he from Wolverhampton?

 

[Dewsburywolf]

Didn't Elgar bike it from Malvern.

Was he from Wolverhampton?

Ahem

 

[NOKASPLACE]

Ahem

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Elgar

"He enjoyed football, supporting Wolverhampton Wanderers F.C., for whom he composed an anthem, "He Banged the Leather for Goal""

Shall we get that one going Pumpking?????

 

[Ginger Chimp]

I've just asked My erudite 19 yr old "who was Edwad Elgar?". His response was similar "who?".

"Pomp and Circumstance. The Enigma Variations. Old £20 note fella. "

"Never heard of him. "

It's a generation thing, obviously.

 

[Seasider]

Without sounding funny or disrespectful. Who is Elgar?

Treat yourself to the T-Shirt...

http://www.philosophyfootball.com/view_item.php?pid=647

 

[Dewsburywolf]

Shakes head in disappointment


Kids today

 

[North West Wanderer]

To be fair why would a 21 year old know who Elgar is?

 

[Ginger Chimp]

Shakes head in disappointment


Kids today

It's edukayshun, innit?

 

[Ginger Chimp]

To be fair why would a 21 year old know who Elgar is?

Why wouldn't they? He's a part of the Nation's fabric along with other historical figures of note. Having said that, it is not unexpected ... I'm not sure I knew who he was when I was in my late teens.

As I said "it's a generation thing". I know more in my forties than I did in my twenties.

 

[Jameswwfc]

Why wouldn't they? He's a part of the Nation's fabric along with other historical figures of note. Having said that, it is not unexpected ... I'm not sure I knew who he was when I was in my late teens.

As I said "it's a generation thing". I know more in my forties than I did in my twenties.

It might be part of our nations fabric but unless he takes it upon himself to learn about our very own country where else would he of learnt about it because it sure as hell well won't be at our schools,

 

[UNCLE REMUS]

To be fair why would a 21 year old know who Elgar is?

It's called a rounded education, everybody must have learnt "Land of Hope and Glory at School"

 

[Ginger Chimp]

It might be part of our nations fabric but unless he takes it upon himself to learn about our very own country where else would he of learnt about it because it sure as hell well won't be at our schools,

Hence my education comment.

 

[Ogerp]

Shakes head in disappointment


Kids today

Indeed. Ask most of them about Churchill and they think he's a nodding dog on a TV advert. :embarassed:

 

[PabloWolfo]

Without sounding funny or disrespectful. Who is Elgar?

Jeezy Creezy.....I'd have thought you'd at least have the presence of mind to Google the name first before asking the question on here.

 

[Veins Of Old Gold]

I thought it may have been a forum member who had passed away or something.

 

[FLEET WOLF]

No, never heard of the guy. I'm only 21 though.

Was he from Wolverhampton?

Oh dear.

 

[GoldenHorseshoe]

Billy Malpass, now there's an unfortunate name for a professional football player.

On a par with Bernie Madoff, stockbroker/investment advisor.

Imagine giving your cash to a guy named 'Madoff'

 

[Berlin Wolf]

Wolves away following at Old Trafford in 1939

thinking back in time a lot further, pre WW2..

Record Attendance at Old Trafford
76,962 - Wolves-Grimsby, 25 March 1939

I have always wondered how many Wolves fans made the trip up to Manchester for the 1939 FA Cup Semi-Final to see our 5-0 win.

Almost 77,000 inside Old Trafford - they can't have all been locals!

Can anyone shed any light on our away following on that historic day.

Thanks

 

[Edgmond Wolf]

Without sounding funny or disrespectful. Who is Elgar?

FFS, Kids of today

 

[PabloWolfo]

FFS, Kids of today

I believe "yoof" is the correct term, not kids.

 

[Lordy]

It's called a rounded education, everybody must have learnt "Land of Hope and Glory at School"

I'm a teacher at a secondary school and you'll be shocked at what pupils do and don't know.

 

[Lordy]

It might be part of our nations fabric but unless he takes it upon himself to learn about our very own country where else would he of learnt about it because it sure as hell well won't be at our schools,

I think you'll find pupils are taught this in schools. It just comes down to whether some of them choose to listen or not.

 

[Bjorn Star]

To be fair why would a 21 year old know who Elgar is?

Anyone from Worcester would (I'm 18!). There's an Elgar statue in town.

 

[Dewsburywolf]

Anyone from Worcester would (I'm 18!). There's an Elgar statue in town.

Isn't that close to where Malvern is though?

 

[Burton Wolf]

Isn't that close to where Malvern is though?

Yes there's a statue there too

 

[Dewsburywolf]

Yes there's a statue there too

I was more meaning Worcester folks ought to know of Elgar bearing in mind he came from the area. A bit like Dewsbury & Batley folks knowing who Joseph Priestley was due to there being a statue of him in his home town of Birstall

 

[Burton Wolf]

I was more meaning Worcester folks ought to know of Elgar bearing in mind he came from the area. A bit like Dewsbury & Batley folks knowing who Joseph Priestley was due to there being a statue of him in his home town of Birstall

Now of course Priestley should have been a Wolves Fan as we are all philosophical!!

 

[FLEET WOLF]

I'm a teacher at a secondary school and you'll be shocked at what pupils do and don't know.

No, I wouldn't!