Albion punishment

[wwbug]

Yep. A lot of disinformation to distract from the real issue. Their total failure to control their fans, and it's not the first time. Smacks of massive complacency.

If the FA are hell bent on charging Wolves it will be over the flares. One did land in the corner of the east stand and I saw a copper inside that part of the stand juggling with it and disposing of it over the wall into the corner tunnel area between the 2 stands. So it's likely that incident along with a few exchanges of bottles/drinks/coins between fans will make it into the Police report that ends up on FA's desk.

Surely it’s poor security to allow a fan to bring in a flare .

 

[Mark Rankines Lovechild]

Had quite a few rows with Albion fans this morning who can't seem to grasp that you can prevent away fans being in the home end by a) selling out your tickets b) stopping home fans from selling them on to away fans and c) stopping them from entering the ground. You can also have some stewards eject them should they somehow get through. Some of them are adamant Wolves should be fined (which we prob will be for the flare and chucking some bottles back), but they want us punished for something that is 100% their fault. Those Wolves fans may not even attend our games or have been banned by our club for all we/they know? Didn't stop them getting a ticket in the Albion or waltzing into the ground though apparently. What could Wolves have actually done or done differently on this?

When you've just embarrassed yourselves on national tv and have had to relinquish your self awarded best fans in the world title I can understand the urge to try and spread blame and try to justify the behaviour of their supporters, but its nonsense really. Perhaps we could also fined for winning a corner infront of your fans in the East stand and Tommy Doyles presence inciting them to throw a load of bottles?

It was ridiculous that they had to put on an offer that season ticket holder's could purchase an additional ticket for the game to sell out as this prompts this sort of problem.

I was told (albeit by an Albion season ticket holder) that the bloke thrown out had actually registered for an Albion membership and he bought the ticket direct. I am not sure this is true as how could he know we would draw them in the cup and surely, even if it was true, Albion would only sell to someone with a2 least 12 months membership or ticket buying history for a game like this?

 

[Southdownswolf]

I would imagine that the Wolves fan has been arrested for inciting violence, as he was in the wrong part of the ground and clearly on video evidence had been goading them.

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

Long haired guy didn't get arrested did he? He made it back into his own stand I thought.

Incredible really. He walked past the stewards and police up into the Halfords corner, kicked the Wolves fan in the back, walked back down to the pitch, wandered along past the dugouts and out onto the pitch goading the away end and was then gently escorted back to his seat! Pretty sure he wasn't arrested at any point as there was only one over 34 and presumably he's the one covered in blood!

 

[QB Wolf]

Most football fans have sat in the home end, I know I have and the vast majority keep schtum and sit on their hands. No doubt there would have been a hundred or so Wolves doing the same on Sunday, shame a couple couldn’t control themselves, although still not condoning what happened afterwards.

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

Surely it’s poor security to allow a fan to bring in a flare .

No dogs there when I went in, which is supposedly the way to find pyros (not that it ever seems to work).

 

[Stafford]

I would imagine that the Wolves fan has been arrested for inciting violence, as he was in the wrong part of the ground and clearly on video evidence had been goading them.

Don't think sitting in an away end and cheering/ shushing people would fall into any category of inciting violence under UK law unless he behaved threatingly.

 

[Ned]

Judging by the age of those arrested, only one of these two was arrested.

The bloodied one was caused by a police baton, 100%. Probably got sent home, no questions asked.

 

[WickedWolfie]

Don't think sitting in an away end and cheering/ shushing people would fall into any category of inciting violence under UK law unless he behaved threatingly.

I would imagine that the charge would be behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace. Deliberately broad legislation.

 

[Contrarian]

I listened to the Football ramble. They weren't too bad and at the end one of them did say we should wait to see the full facts. One of them did say it was two sets of fans fighting when perhaps a more accurate description would be a group of fans assaulting a rival fan from the videos I've seen.

It was funny how one them said it was young men when the two people I'll remember most are the Worzel Gummidge lookalike and the drunk woman trying to nutmeg the security bloke. It was mostly men though. Young depends on how old you are I suppose.

So basically they got most of it wrong? Did they manage to get the score right?

 

[WickedWolfie]

Maybe David Burrows?

The guy who played for Cov? Is he a Boggie?

 

[RMNottm]

Don't think sitting in an away end and cheering/ shushing people would fall into any category of inciting violence under UK law unless he behaved threatingly.

Behaviour likely to cause a breech of the peace would be a what poor away end behaviour could be sanctioned for

 

[Edmund Dantes]

I was told (albeit by an Albion season ticket holder) that the bloke thrown out had actually registered for an Albion membership and he bought the ticket direct. I am not sure this is true as how could he know we would draw them in the cup and surely, even if it was true, Albion would only sell to someone with a2 least 12 months membership or ticket buying history for a game like this?

Registering for an Albion membership sounds like a pricey an involved process for what seems like a silly social media publicity stunt.

Do the clubs not cross-reference the personal details of people purchasing tickets? Can't they discover if someone purchasing a ticket has been to N number of Wolves matches recently?

 

[Stourport wolf]

Long haired guy didn't get arrested did he? He made it back into his own stand I thought.

He should be arrested, because he kicked a lone Wolves supporter, In the back, before he went on the pitch.

 

[Hazza]

Incredible really. He walked past the stewards and police up into the Halfords corner, kicked the Wolves fan in the back, walked back down to the pitch, wandered along past the dugouts and out onto the pitch goading the away end and was then gently escorted back to his seat! Pretty sure he wasn't arrested at any point as there was only one over 34 and presumably he's the one covered in blood!

That’s mad

 

[Macman]

He should be arrested, because he kicked a lone Wolves supporter, In the back, before he went on the pitch.

This is what I fail to understand. He assaulted a rival fan, and encroached on a football pitch. Two arrestable offenses in one? Same with all those inbreds who ran across the pitch to that corner. They should all be identified, arrested, and banned.

Bet they wont though….

 

[Hsvwolf]

It’s just that her narrow view of events is defined by what she sees on tv, or reads in the papers. As she’s not a Wolves fan, she doesn’t take time to watch the vlogs or the X posts which make it very clear it wasn’t “50/50” and as she knows I’m a fan, she’s not going to take my word for it. Well for 95% of the population that saw the reports, that will be their views too. Yet it’s really our scruffy violent cousins who really should shoulder the blame. 50/50 my ****.

100 % ........Basically we could end up being punished for having the audacity to be there . Having seen various vids of this , its clear that the 'Saville' lookalike is largely to blame for the escalation in that area with his 'Cantona' style kick in the back of the Wolves fan and then somehow is allowed to walk away and end up in front of the Wolves fans......Another simply climbs over the hoarding unchallenged from the West stand and walks the whole length of the pitch to join in the melee........Stewarding and policing was pathetic ....

When you break it down , there was no actual fighting amongst rival fans as being made out by media , but 100% **** fans losing their heads 'cause at 2-0 down they knew they were beat in their 'cup final'

 

[Eastyorksyeltz]

Incredible really. He walked past the stewards and police up into the Halfords corner, kicked the Wolves fan in the back, walked back down to the pitch, wandered along past the dugouts and out onto the pitch goading the away end and was then gently escorted back to his seat! Pretty sure he wasn't arrested at any point as there was only one over 34 and presumably he's the one covered in blood!

I think the answer has already been given earlier in the thread. There is a good chance that the one covered in blood was not arrested at all. There would be a lot of paperwork to be done, at the very least, if his injuries were caused by police, no matter what the rights and wrongs of the altercation might have been. Could easily have "lost track of him whilst he received medical treatment."

 

[Stourport wolf]

I think the answer has already been given earlier in the thread. There is a good chance that the one covered in blood was not arrested at all. There would be a lot of paperwork to be done, at the very least, if his injuries were caused by police, no matter what the rights and wrongs of the altercation might have been. Could easily have "lost track of him whilst he received medical treatment."

Not the way it works. He was throwing punches and he got restrained. They are two seperate things and the police won't cancel a criminal offence, because he recieved an injury whilst being restrained.

 

[the 15th Wanderer]

I think the answer has already been given earlier in the thread. There is a good chance that the one covered in blood was not arrested at all. There would be a lot of paperwork to be done, at the very least, if his injuries were caused by police, no matter what the rights and wrongs of the altercation might have been. Could easily have "lost track of him whilst he received medical treatment."

He will have been arrested and charged no justification for hitting him with a batton otherwise.

 

[WW1963]

West Brom fans were allowed to drink in the ground. Wolves fans weren't.

The subsequent fake courage and real stupidity to risk a lifetime ban by attacking police and entering the field of play with the intention of either starting a riot or joining in disorder was ALL from West Brom fans - and reflects who was allowed to drink and who wasn't.

I'm sure the investigative powers will see the issue of alcohol consumption, or lack thereof, as a contributory factor. The testimony of WMP will also back that up.

Whatever the outcome, West Brom won't be allowed to sell alcohol anywhere in their ground for any future game against us.

They couldn't handle losing and couldn't handle their drink. They might even get an extended ban on alcohol consumption in their ground apart from games against us.

 

[lets all have a disco]

Knowing West Midlands police they will probably charge him with head butting the Police baton....

 

[WickedWolfie]

Knowing West Midlands police they will probably charge him with head butting the Police baton....

He absolutely deserved all that he got.

Edited to add: Perhaps a period of His Maj's hospitality for him too might, just possibly, teach the dumb inbreds a lesson. Hopefully Saville gets the same and is forced to have a shower too.

 

[lets all have a disco]

He absolutely deserved all that he got.

Edited to add: Perhaps a period of His Maj's hospitality for him too might, just possibly, teach the dumb inbreds a lesson. Hopefully Saville gets the same and is forced to have a shower too.

Yes ......but they ain't always the angels the police.... without starting off a different debate....

 

[arctic rime]

He absolutely deserved all that he got.

Edited to add: Perhaps a period of His Maj's hospitality for him too might, just possibly, teach the dumb inbreds a lesson. Hopefully Saville gets the same and is forced to have a shower too.

He needs to be careful of the soap in those showers.

 

[glorybox]

The guy who played for Cov? Is he a Boggie?

Was when he lived by me growing up I’m certain

 

[topcat99]

There is loads of video material avaliable, the police will go through it with face-recognition softwares, and nick people on the street during incoming weeks.
Much smoother than picking people directly in the ground, in front of hysterical fans...

I noticed at least 3 coppers filming their fans. And that’s just from people’s VLOGS

This is what I fail to understand. He assaulted a rival fan, and encroached on a football pitch. Two arrestable offenses in one? Same with all those inbreds who ran across the pitch to that corner. They should all be identified, arrested, and banned.

Bet they wont though….

I’d think in normal circumstances you would be right, they would do nothing.

As it was live on TV and to the level it was, I think that they will be forced by circumstances to crack down hard.

Both the club and the police will be studying videos as we speak

 

[WW1963]

He absolutely deserved all that he got.

Edited to add: Perhaps a period of His Maj's hospitality for him too might, just possibly, teach the dumb inbreds a lesson. Hopefully Saville gets the same and is forced to have a shower too.

Savile's brief will try to get him off on diminished responsibilities. Firstly for his behaviour and secondly for being a West Brom fan.

It can't be easy.

 

[WickedWolfie]

Was when he lived by me growing up I’m certain

TY

 

[thommo1984]

The bloodied one was caused by a police baton, 100%. Probably got sent home, no questions asked.

Hmm, I'd be surprised. His injury came from windmilling the police and stewards, be amazed if he wasn't arrested. Reckon Poundshop Saville was let off as they thought he was a harmless loony rather than the thug that video evidence later confirmed he was.

 

[Matt]

The blooded head guy was still trying to kick the police as he was being marched out.

 

[WW1963]

Breaking news

 

[WolfLing]

Had quite a few rows with Albion fans this morning who can't seem to grasp that you can prevent away fans being in the home end by a) selling out your tickets b) stopping home fans from selling them on to away fans and c) stopping them from then entering the ground. You can also have some stewards eject them should they somehow get through?

Some of them are adamant Wolves should be fined (which we prob will be for the flare and chucking some bottles back), but on the ticket thing, they want us punished for something that is 100% their fault. Those Wolves fans may not even attend our games or have been banned by our club for all we/they know? Didn't stop them getting a ticket in the Albion or waltzing into the ground though apparently, what could Wolves have actually done or done differently on this?

When you've just embarrassed yourselves on national tv and have had to relinquish your self awarded best fans in the world title I can understand the urge to try and spread blame and try to justify the behaviour of their supporters, but its nonsense really. Perhaps we could also fined for winning a corner infront of your fans in the East stand and Tommy Doyles presence inciting them to throw a load of bottles?

On the flair thing. It would be interesting to know if the teams that have set them off at Molineux have been fined in the past?

If not, they've set a precedent that it's fine, so no reason why that would mean a fine for us.

 

[Hsvwolf]

On the flair thing. It would be interesting to know if the teams that have set them off at Molineux have been fined in the past?

If not, they've set a precedent that it's fine, so no reason why that would mean a fine for us.

Again ....misreported as flares ......Shouldn't be thrown granted but smoke cannisters , which I actually think add to the event if merely held up (but may be seen as a nuisance to others ...fair enough) .....Kids with sparklers at bonfire night are more dangerous

 

[WolfLing]

Again ....misreported as flares ......Shouldn't be thrown granted but smoke cannisters , which I actually think add to the event if merely held up (but may be seen as a nuisance to others ...fair enough) .....Kids with sparklers at bonfire night are more dangerous

I quite enjoy the smell too. Reminds me of cap-guns as a child.

 

[WW1963]

I quite enjoy the smell too. Reminds me of cap-guns as a child.

Used to double load mine for that extra sulphurous kick.

 

[Hazza]

I’m not saying it’s right, but how on earth would our media and prime minister deal with this from Italy couple of weeks ago.

From 1 min in shows inside Olympic Stadium in Rome

 

[Sussex Wolf]

On the flair thing. It would be interesting to know if the teams that have set them off at Molineux have been fined in the past?

If not, they've set a precedent that it's fine, so no reason why that would mean a fine for us.

I was at the Chelsea v Boro cup game last week, and both sets of fans let off at least one flare. In one case, it delayed the restart and was commented on the tv highlights we watched the next day. Chelsea have pyro sniffer dogs stationed outside their ground to stop this, yet clearly it didn’t stop them getting them in. So if the FA try to make a big deal about the Wolves one, I think the club should ask them if they’ve taken similar action against the countless other flares released this season?

 

[Wolf in the Lions' Den]

Again ....misreported as flares ......Shouldn't be thrown granted but smoke cannisters , which I actually think add to the event if merely held up (but may be seen as a nuisance to others ...fair enough) .....Kids with sparklers at bonfire night are more dangerous

I remember Brighton setting off at least a couple of flares when they beat us 0-3 at Molineux at the end of the 21/22 season. Didn't hear anything about any fines or even any reporting of it at all. They were in the Quadrant that day. They were also incredibly annoying on the long train ride back to London, but I guess they probably can't be fined for that!

Edit: oops, quoted the wrong post. Meant to quote @WolfLing on penalties or lack thereof for previous flare incidents.

 

[maws]

Big difference in how the two clubs have handled it. WBA issued a statement yesterday implying it's their problem, with bans threatened for anybody found to have misbehaved in any way. Wolves, as far as I know, have said sweet FA about it. Exactly right. They know we have nothing to be ashamed of.

Correct and unless I’m mistaken even the 2 Wolves fans atrestrd were on tickets sold by Albion not by us! That’s not a Wolves problem