14 games each - Lambert vs Zenga

[Kingswood Wolf]

Mr Paul Lambert:

P14 W5 D3 L6 GF19 GA20 GD -1
Win % 35.7

Mr Walter Zenga:

P14 W4 D4 L6 GF16 GA17 GD -1
Win % 28.57

That extra win for Lambert giving his win % an undeserved veneer.

FA Cup massively papering over the cracks. Taxi for Lambert.

 

[Supadavewolf]

Nonsense. Keep changing head coaches??? Lambert inherited an average squad. Give him time to sort it.

 

[Tring Wolf]

Neither had a pre-season to really work out our best combinations and try things out so have had to as the season progresses.

Lambert should be given until this time next year at least before a proper judgment can be formed. I think he'll turn it around.

 

[Deleted member LP 3925]

I'm hoping that 'the rest of the season starts here' now the Newcastle match and ****ty refereeing is out of the way. A good run of form with some heavy investment in the Summer will set us up for a great season to come.

 

[Perton Wolf]

Lambert has done very little but you wouldn't think so judging by the rubbish he comes out with in the press.

 

[Fifty Niner]

Lambert doesn't help himself with his over enthusiastic rhetoric of how bad things were till he got here nor with this unrealistic performance appraisals. Just keep yower yed down our Paul and let yower team to the talking. Er.....

 

[we8wba]

Nonsense. Keep changing head coaches??? Lambert inherited an average squad. Give him time to sort it.

But he has the next Ronaldo at his hands
Dangerous dave the Welsh lampard
Dicko the destroyer who we all love
Is the squad that bad?

 

[Supadavewolf]

Is the squad that bad?

Results suggest it is an average squad.

 

[Matt]

FA Cup definitely papering over cracks, but not because we just lost a game that we probably didn't deserve to against the league leaders.

We were a poor team when Lambert came in and we're a poor team now.

 

[Kingswood Wolf]

I am trolling a touch with the 'taxi for Lambert' part, obviously.

 

[The Professional]

I was on cloud 9 a couple of weeks ago. Getting a bit worried now about some of Lambert's decisions and tactics. Hopefully he is capable of sorting it out again.

 

[Supadavewolf]

Yes, we should have appointed Steve Bruce or big Sam.

Look at the success they're having at the Villa and Crystal Pal . . . err, whoops

 

[Ponty]

Zenga had a bit of a bounce early on but left a complete shambles and it is taking Lambert a while to turn things round. Add a decent striker and I am confident Lambert will have us challenging next season.

 

[Matt]

Zenga had a bit of a bounce early on but left a complete shambles and it is taking Lambert a while to turn things round. Add a decent striker and I am confident Lambert will have us challenging next season.

We need much more than a decent striker to be challenging imo. Striker, central midfielder and central defender absolute minimum.

 

[Skrilla]

We need much more than a decent striker to be challenging imo. Striker, central midfielder and central defender absolute minimum.

Agree. I think if we had Grant Hanley next to Hause, a playmaker with some quality on the ball and a potent striker that can hold up play we'd look a much better side.

 

[Coshamwolves]

Results suggest it is an average squad.

Absolutely and Lambert is becoming less and less convincing with his usual post match spin of how good we played... blah blah blah!

 

[ShropshireLad]

Mr Paul Lambert:

P14 W5 D3 L6 GF19 GA20 GD -1
Win % 35.7

Mr Walter Zenga:

P14 W4 D4 L6 GF16 GA17 GD -1
Win % 28.57

That extra win for Lambert giving his win % an undeserved veneer.

FA Cup massively papering over the cracks. Taxi for Lambert.

Disagree. We're playing much better football and have had some dreadful luck with refs although Zenga had a bit of bad luck as well.

 

[Edgmond Wolf]

Mr Paul Lambert:

P14 W5 D3 L6 GF19 GA20 GD -1
Win % 35.7

Mr Walter Zenga:

P14 W4 D4 L6 GF16 GA17 GD -1
Win % 28.57

That extra win for Lambert giving his win % an undeserved veneer.

FA Cup massively papering over the cracks. Taxi for Lambert.

Did we lose today?
Bloody stupid thread
And I loved Zenga

 

[RosehillWolf]

I thought the football today was atrocious. Clueless hoofs down the pitch and midfield having no outlets made for them. Dicko and Bod constantly got in each other's way
Frankly. It was embarrassing and no better than what Zenga offered
Lambert is living if the FA Cup run that ends in 7 days time

 

[Nige100]

I think PL is going to get it right but it will take at least the summer window which he has reiterated time and again is the big one. Minimum requirement 2 CB's take 1 as long as they of the right quality and we sign Stearman to interchange him and Hause alongside new CB. At least 1 probably 2 CM's with championship nous. Clayton and Butterfiekd please or of their like Sam Gallagher Perm and Tammy Abraham on Loan only cos I don't think Chelski will let us buy him next season. Start that conversation next Saturday. A few will leave and we also have Bright and Ronan coming on and developing don't think we would be far away from Top 6. If something like this don't happen then I will begin to question. Before then it's about getting the summer still in this division. I think we will. I know its frustrating but let's stay positive it's a journey and I wanna take part. Am enjoying this season more than last and we didn't flirt with relegation last season.

 

[Mugwump]

Zenga had a bit of a bounce early on but left a complete shambles and it is taking Lambert a while to turn things round. Add a decent striker and I am confident Lambert will have us challenging next season.

They should have added a decent striker in January. Joke they didn't. Very poor management when there is an obvious weakness in your team so you try to fix it by signing an unfit player in a position you dont really need urgently you could have got for free in the summer.

Ive been saying it for a while, but those cup wins masked a lot and gave us a feel good factor that gave us a bit of hope. I fell for it to a point I'm sad to say. We have been bang average, we need some wins now.

 

[ShropshireLad]

I thought the football today was atrocious. Clueless hoofs down the pitch and midfield having no outlets made for them. Dicko and Bod constantly got in each other's way
Frankly. It was embarrassing and no better than what Zenga offered
Lambert is living if the FA Cup run that ends in 7 days time

You and me were watching a different game.

 

[ShropshireLad]

They should have added a decent striker in January.

We were crying out for one but ended up with Weimann instead. Hmmmmmm (sigh).

 

[MotorWoden]

I thought the football today was atrocious. Clueless hoofs down the pitch and midfield having no outlets made for them. Dicko and Bod constantly got in each other's way
Frankly. It was embarrassing and no better than what Zenga offered
Lambert is living if the FA Cup run that ends in 7 days time

Unfortunately I largely agree. I'm not for sacking him or anything close but Lambert has rubbed me up the wrong way by telling us all how much better he has made it when in fact, the performances in the league have generally been much the same.

 

[Deleted member 3573J]

He'd help himself if he stuck with a 11 for a while, as who's starting the next game? May as well pick names out a hat for 6 or 7 positions.

You put Jack Price in, you put Jack Price out, in Hause, out Hause and shake it all about.
Let's do the Paulie Lambert and pick a team out of Jeff Shi's lucky hat
Ohhhh the Paulie Lambert
Ohhhh the Paulie Lambert

 

[maws]

I can't be doing with some so called fans, idiots

 

[Perton Wolf]

Disagree. We're playing much better football and have had some dreadful luck with refs although Zenga had a bit of bad luck as well.

Blaming the refs is always an easy excuse when your team is ****. I did think we were playing better football until recently but if Lambert continues with the hoof ball to Dicko then he will lose the support of most of the fans.

 

[Bullywolf]

Well hopefully it can be a building plan for next season, Lambert hasn't been here long. Rome wasn't built in a day

 

[Aylesbury Wolf]

Mr Paul Lambert:

P14 W5 D3 L6 GF19 GA20 GD -1
Win % 35.7

Mr Walter Zenga:

P14 W4 D4 L6 GF16 GA17 GD -1
Win % 28.57

That extra win for Lambert giving his win % an undeserved veneer.

FA Cup massively papering over the cracks. Taxi for Lambert.

Taxi for you and your stupid post.
The club needs everyone to pull together, survive the season and start afresh in the Summer - with PL as manager.
Posts like yours do not help!

 

[Ian]

Results suggest it is an average squad.

Results suggest it is a below average squad.

Need a massive overhaul from keeper thru to striker in the summer.

 

[KingOfMilwaukee]

Zenga has one extra draw, so in 14 matches Lambert has 2 extra table points.

The difference is just one point every 7 matches. And their goal differential is the same.

Goes to show what studies have shown all along... managers really don't make a big difference. Players do. And the best gauge of player quality is your wage bill.

 

[Phitsanulok (Poole) Wolf]

The statistics here are raw and revealing. The results are very similar between Zenga and Lambert differing only in two excellent cup wins against Stoke and Liverpool (AWAY) which muddy the waters somewhat in Lambert's favour. Lambert has also had the advantage of the foreign players having had more time to bed in. Both have had refereeing decisions result in loss of points.

The first area where there is a difference is in the perceived support from the insitu coaching staff. There were rumours of a disconnect between Zenga's team and the backroom staff. That could be for many reasons including a clash between approaches, training methods and squads selected. Rob Edwards team selections inferred this. Saiss was dumped and is being dumped again by Lambert.

Zenga was accused of rotating too much and not allowing a settled team to develop. Lambert is doing exactly the same.

Zenga played Edwards in midfield, Lambert is doing exactly the same.

Zenga had two home wins Lambert has had two home wins. (Must be the South Bank then)

In summary nothing has changed. In reality there has been no improvement since Lambert has arrived at any level. I forecasted Lambert would be gone by February, it is still February.

We are in a run of five home games this month the first of which we have lost. We now play:
Wigan - struggling to avoid relegation and finding some form
Chelsea - enough said
Birmingham - local derby
Huddersfield - third and flying

That run ends on 28th February, interesting. Those of you who keep chirping in Lambert we trust need to start developing critical thought.
he is not in any way moving us forwards and could very easily take us back down.

 

[Deleted member 4594]

The statistics here are raw and revealing. The results are very similar between Zenga and Lambert differing only in two excellent cup wins against Stoke and Liverpool (AWAY) which muddy the waters somewhat in Lambert's favour. Lambert has also had the advantage of the foreign players having had more time to bed in. Both have had refereeing decisions result in loss of points.

The first area where there is a difference is in the perceived support from the insitu coaching staff. There were rumours of a disconnect between Zenga's team and the backroom staff. That could be for many reasons including a clash between approaches, training methods and squads selected. Rob Edwards team selections inferred this. Saiss was dumped and is being dumped again by Lambert.

Zenga was accused of rotating too much and not allowing a settled team to develop. Lambert is doing exactly the same.

Zenga played Edwards in midfield, Lambert is doing exactly the same.

Zenga had two home wins Lambert has had two home wins. (Must be the South Bank then)

In summary nothing has changed. In reality there has been no improvement since Lambert has arrived at any level. I forecasted Lambert would be gone by February, it is still February.

We are in a run of five home games this month the first of which we have lost. We now play:
Wigan - struggling to avoid relegation and finding some form
Chelsea - enough said
Birmingham - local derby
Huddersfield - third and flying

That run ends on 28th February, interesting. Those of you who keep chirping in Lambert we trust need to start developing critical thought.
he is not in any way moving us forwards and could very easily take us back down.

Worryingly I agree with everything you've put! Tuesday has become massive.

 

[ShropshireLad]

Blaming the refs is always an easy excuse when your team is ****. I did think we were playing better football until recently but if Lambert continues with the hoof ball to Dicko then he will lose the support of most of the fans.

Dicko certainly doesn't deserve a place in the team but with Mason injured the only alternative is Bod and he isn't a natural No 9. Weimann can play across the front and although I haven't been impressed with him bar the game v Liverpool, perhaps it might be time to give him a chance there. Not buying a striker or getting someone in on loan was, as we all know, remiss.

Our defence was actually good and our midfield wasn't at all bad. I don't know why Price went off as I had to watch the match in the pub with the sound off due to the rugby being on and me being the only one there watching the football on the smaller TV.

I don't believe we played ****. Toon's defence was good and their star players did sweet FA to trouble us. We played a dirty team in the first half who had the ref on their side and that's the way I saw it. Wasn't it an offside goal? As I said I had no sound to hear what the comms and pundits said.

Edit. Just seen that Price (there have been moans about him being taken off) had double vision at half time - no wonder his passing was wayward.

 

[A3wolf]

Yesterday's match was an awful one to watch but felt we more than matched Newcastle. However the Burton and Norwich matches recently are far more concerning as a barometer of Lambert's progression. Just think both would rank towards the worst performances of both tenures this season. I can accept one bad day at the office but as we get more and more Burton like performances against teams we should be beating by virtue of their form or position in the table, I question more and more whether there is any progression!

 

[ShropshireLad]

Yesterday's match was an awful one to watch but felt we more than matched Newcastle. However the Burton and Norwich matches recently are far more concerning as a barometer of Lambert's progression. Just think both would rank towards the worst performances of both tenures this season. I can accept one bad day at the office but as we get more and more Burton like performances against teams we should be beating by virtue of their form or position in the table, I question more and more whether there is any progression!

I won't harp on about this as I've said it a few times. I was the only one watching the game in the pub so didn't discuss it with anyone and I had the volume turned off due to the rugby and from what I saw I actually enjoyed our football. I also didn't think it was a bad game although Toon were filthy in the first half.

Had that been a 0-0 draw, as it should have been from how I saw it, I would have been happy about the outcome and I think there wouldn't have been so many moans about the performance on here.

Just my opinion.

 

[Supadavewolf]

Edit. Just seen that Price (there have been moans about him being taken off) had double vision at half time - no wonder his passing was wayward.

Damn it, he had 20 players to pass to rather than 10, and he still couldn't play well

 

[Woburn Wolf]

Neither had a pre-season to really work out our best combinations and try things out so have had to as the season progresses.

Lambert should be given until this time next year at least before a proper judgment can be formed. I think he'll turn it around.

I agree 100% Tring.

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

What's changed?

Lambert has no style of play at all
The team has no balance
We was dire against Newcastle

Lose to Wigan Loopy Lambert needs to be looking in the mirror

 

[QB Wolf]

The first area where there is a difference is in the perceived support from the insitu coaching staff. There were rumours of a disconnect between Zenga's team and the backroom staff.

Bit difficult to connect with your manager when he keeps ****ing off to Dubai. The bloke didn't even go to reserve games, he was a clown who was found out quickly.