You'll soon be claiming that the most elite manager ever at national level is Big Sam with his 100% record (1 win out of 1 match) managing England.
you’re doing tnay
Build in the significant uncertainty from China in recent years and it puts a different slant on things.i’m not giving him a free pass whatsoever, but i do feel there’s more than him simply being incompetent.
I don’t think what Moyes did at United is a yardstick for whether he is elite or not (he’s not, neither is JL). Some real proper elite managers in Moutinho and LVG equally failed there.It is ok to diminish the achievements of JL when putting him down and then bigging up Moyes who **** the bed totally at United!
Jl isn’t allowed to have credit for anything…… but Moyes who has won **** all other than the made up third tier European tournament that is predominantly contested by crap teams and lopetegui made our best team in decades look like school boys on his way to also beating United and inter Milan to win the Europa league….. did West Ham beat any major teams to win the conference league? Only Fiorentina in the final…. The rest was teams like anderlecht and genk…. Hardly powerhouses of the game are they? So JL won a higher competition and beat far superior teams to do so.
…… Lopetegi broke a centenary record at sevilla, something stourport refused to acknowledge in his long post about how **** he is…..
A record-breaking centenary for Julen Lopetegui
Sevilla FC's coach has won three times as many games as he has drawn or lost, and has lifted a UEFA Europa League in his first one-hundred matchessevillafc.es
As I've said, Fosun have done many good things, I'm not having a go at their ownership overall, only breaking down some of the individual actions. Nuno was genius, Sellars was a disaster, Lage actually IMO a reasonable gamble. Thing is I'm here to look at what is right and wrong with the club. My point from day one on this is that it's Shi's behaviour which is the real issue for Wolves, a failure to see that (and your venomous hatred of Lopetegui colours your judgement and that of others) meant it would be repeated. Guess what, it was in January, if it happens again in the Summer we're likely to be repeating the cycle of,
If he was that good, he'd have proven it and got us into Europe, a bloke with a years experience, had us pretty close at one point.
Has he though? Genuine question!
Why do you keep banging on about him staying and proving it when he left because he lost all trust in anything Shi says?
Didn’t JL think the squad was relegation material? While we’ve slumped we’ve not flirted with that in the slightest. Either way I’d say he’s shown him up because he’s a novice PE teacher who Bournemouth didn’t want but has done better than his elite level predecessor thought he could do. Plenty of pundits had us nailed on in the summer for relegation
Pretty close at one point is the whole point though. Had to overload the players, who then broke down, because he didn't have the squad options. Exactly what Lopetegui said was the issue. Lage got us much closer, we're probably going to finish 13th.
Because people keep banging on about being lied to. The landscape changed, happens all the time in business, be mature and deal with it.
When and why did the landscape change?
Maybe the people above Shi changed the amount of money that was available?
The point is when did we know about a ffp failure because if it’s at the end of the season that’s sheer incompetence
I honestly do see your point NWW, and as you know I'm not GON's biggest fan and I'm essentially a Lop fan boy. But I don't think he's the snake he's made out to be... reckon he'll do well there, and (reasonably) amicably move on somewhere bigger afterwards.A manager who will walk out on them in a couple of years?
He's a good manager, I'm not sure West Ham are fashionable enough for his ego however,
The first one still makes him a liar though, as he told us that PSR was the reason we could not spend (in the same statement when he told us the coaches were working hard to prepare the team for the season - forgetting to mention Lopetegui had already told him he was leaving)
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If the landscape changed in your job and you had no need to stay as financially you were secure wouldn't you leave and find something you did enjoy doing?
I don’t remember Stourport saying Shi would move the goalposts 3 times causing Lopetegui to have zero trust in him.
True, he couldn't foresee the specific excuse Lopetegui would give when shafting his employer and club. However, he did say Lopetegui would leave in a blaze of self justification and would publicly have a go at the club. And Stourport got a lot of stick from several of the same posters that are doing the same now. But he was right.
JL keeping us up was a HUGE achievement and it's mad he's not given more credit for it. We were royally ****ed when he came in. Look at the lack of goals, the pourous defence, a team that had been led by Lage and then Davis, we were absolute cannon fodder.
He did well keeping us up, absolutely. Lemina and Dawson played their part too. He will probably do well at West Ham. In many ways, he's an ideal fit with that club, 100% self confident, 100% self promoting and an **** in victory and defeat.
I wonder what input JL had in the January window recruitment which played a major part in us staying up. Dawson I’d say he had absolutely zero input into.
Yeah Davis is a good footballing man with a decent career behind him but giving him that gig for so long was a massive error.
i think he’s got a high opinion of himself, some may say with good reason.
Because the world economy is in constant flux, because Wolves are part of a wider conglomerate, because China's view towards foreign investment changes, because football's financial rules are changing etc etc
But apparently none of that is relevant as it's PSR that was the big problem... lol
I just edited my post as you were posting yours, yes that was another factor, that JL couldn't cope with, I'm a big JL fan , he did a great job, bought some fantastic players in and I'd applaud him on his return to Molineux, however the guy's a Prima Dona!
Maybe our turnover isn't big enough to meet our ambitions!
The only player with the high enough profile would have been Cunha. I would say none of the others
Not Sarabia? He’d have known him well from his time in Spain
I forgot about him. Yeah - that would have been very likely too.
