Albion punishment

[clivewolves]

Having seen them close up, it isn't a punishment they need, it's an intervention

 

[North West Wanderer]

The way I saw one Albion fan talking yday was as if some Wolves fan had got tickets in their end with the express intention of spitting at Kyle Bartleys mrs, and that this then sort of justified albion fans then behaving like complete thugs. **** anyone spitting in general, but I’m pretty sceptical that even happened, let alone someone carrying out some supposedly targeted attack

absolutely. If Wolves fans were in any corner and did celebrate then that’s what’s caused an issue potentially.
But to go from that to what it ended up as?
Unbelievable.

 

[wolfgar]

Theres no doubt we will get a fine
As a club we have done nothing wrong,but a few fans bought tickets in the home end and stupidly cheered the second goal,it was always going to kick off then
Nothing wrong with buying tickets anywhere, ive done it myself, but you dont celebrate goals no matter how you feel thats the price you have to pay
Its a 90%-10% one to WBA and they will get a big fine,but the FA will ofc make an example of both teams,perhaps rightly so,no matter how small the misdemeanour, its still the fuse that lit the powder keg

I think you are right, but a club can’t actually be blamed for its fans privately buying tickets in the home end. That is also on albion to stop that from happening and steward the crowd properly?

 

[Ned]

Theres no doubt we will get a fine
As a club we have done nothing wrong,but a few fans bought tickets in the home end and stupidly cheered the second goal,it was always going to kick off then
Nothing wrong with buying tickets anywhere, ive done it myself, but you dont celebrate goals no matter how you feel thats the price you have to pay
Its a 90%-10% one to WBA and they will get a big fine,but the FA will ofc make an example of both teams,perhaps rightly so,no matter how small the misdemeanour, its still the fuse that lit the powder keg

I hope we appeal any fine that we are expected to pay. No way should we be receiving any portion of blame for yesterday.

 

[Ned]

I’m sadistically looking forward to talkSPORT at 10am where, no doubt, Jim White will sit on the side of “justice” and apportion equal blame to both fans/clubs. He’ll probably cry for any future Black Country derbies to be played behind closed doors as well.

 

[North West Wanderer]

it’s also telling that while Olbion put out a statement immediately, i’m yet to see anything but praise for the away support from club and players alike..

 

[Stafford]

Theres no doubt we will get a fine
As a club we have done nothing wrong,but a few fans bought tickets in the home end and stupidly cheered the second goal,it was always going to kick off then
Nothing wrong with buying tickets anywhere, ive done it myself, but you dont celebrate goals no matter how you feel thats the price you have to pay
Its a 90%-10% one to WBA and they will get a big fine,but the FA will ofc make an example of both teams,perhaps rightly so,no matter how small the misdemeanour, its still the fuse that lit the powder keg

Not sure what technicality they can fine the club on this one.

 

[Ned]

Not sure what technicality they can fine the club on this one.

Something spurious will happen. Anything get thrown from the away end? Doubtful but some steward or local journalist will decide there was.

 

[Stafford]

The fine isn't really the issue anyway. It's the publicity around it. The commentator in the ground automatically went for us, the same on the radio. Before either could possibly know the situation.
That's all people hear, and is the talk of workplaces this Monday morning. No one is going to be interested in the finer details further down the line. We are 50/50 guilty.

 

[Black Country Wanderer]

Something spurious will happen. Anything get thrown from the away end? Doubtful but some steward or local journalist will decide there was.

From the social media reports something was thrown back from there but nothing compared to the barrage from their mob

 

[Black Country Wanderer]

I think you are right, but a club can’t actually be blamed for its fans privately buying tickets in the home end. That is also on albion to stop that from happening and steward the crowd properly?

Totally agree,but you know how the FA operate and ill be amazed if we get off scot free

 

[wolfgar]

From the social media reports something was thrown back from there but nothing compared to the barrage from their mob

I mean if people threw bottles into the wolves end and some were thrown back, or a flare went off, I’m not sure how Wolves can be blamed for that either? Doesn’t mean we won’t obviously?

 

[wolfgar]

Totally agree,but you know how the FA operate and ill be amazed if we get off scot free

I’m certain we won’t. They will get a big fine. We will get a smaller one on fairly spurious grounds

 

[fleck1]

6 arrests and 1 person requiring hospital treatment (assuming the guy who had his head caved in with a police baton). ITV playing it up as a return to the 70's and 80's, but the footage I've seen to me it doesn't half look like the police made everything far worse than it was. The polices insistence on any incident involving football fans to wade in beat a few with batons and ask questions later, just makes it look far worse.

 

[Woodsetton Wolf]

This specimen is not a Dingle. Let that sink in.

The Saviles

 

[NorthWestWolf]

Something spurious will happen. Anything get thrown from the away end? Doubtful but some steward or local journalist will decide there was.

A flare was set off on both sides of the Wolves end. Landed near the bottom of the stand, but it didn't go in their end and wasn't thrown at their fans.

 

[optimuswolf]

I mean if people threw bottles into the wolves end and some were thrown back, or a flare went off, I’m not sure how Wolves can be blamed for that either? Doesn’t mean we won’t obviously?

Thats probably where we could get charged - the throwing flares etc into the west brom section. Retaliation or not.

If it happened, obviously.

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

Just to say there were a couple of bottles thrown back towards the East Stand, no more than a handful and far less than came our way, but it did happen. Also there were no 'flares', there were 2 or maybe 3 smoke bombs.

 

[wolfgar]

Thats probably where we could get charged - the throwing flares etc into the west brom section. Retaliation or not.

If it happened, obviously.

Could also ask then how Albion have allowed fans in the ground with flares or smoke bombs or whatever they were?

 

[Saltyjim]

Surely Albion have to bare the brunt of the blame. Not dealing with the bottle throwing at Doyle and then poor crowd control by their stewards which allowed loads of their fans to get out of the Brummie Road and access the main stand by simply walking across the apron in front of the stands or across the pitch. Plenty of footage showing this happening and the subsequent over crowding in that corner of the ground was the main reason it took ages to re-start the game.

 

[YouGottaRaulWithIt]

Talksport article basically blaming us.

Well... they would wouldn't they. When have they chosen reliable observance over deceit and embellishment.

 

[Black Country Wanderer]

6 arrests and 1 person requiring hospital treatment (assuming the guy who had his head caved in with a police baton). ITV playing it up as a return to the 70's and 80's, but the footage I've seen to me it doesn't half look like the police made everything far worse than it was. The polices insistence on any incident involving football fans to wade in beat a few with batons and ask questions later, just makes it look far worse.

From people who were there saying police were very patient and were being punched and kicked for quite awhile before going into the crowd
The guy who got his head cracked was going mental throwing punches at police for minutes before they hit back
If anything they showed too much restraint in this instance and should have gone in earlier and harder imo

 

[Marpol]

The West Midlands Police and the FA will need more than one scapegoat for this. The rights and wrongs take second place when this level of media hysteria is present. West Brom, did not control the sale of their tickets properly, and their fans started and continued throughout the game to go beyond chants and banter, with bottles and other objects thrown. But will the punishments rest with them? I doubt it. My father RIP, came from Walsall. I went with him in the I think the nineties ( can't remember exactly) when they were playing well and had a home game against Reading who were their rivals for promotion. The away end was full, and like yesterday, some Reading fans had tickets for a seated, side Walsall section of the old ground. They were pointed out to police by the home fans and removed. No pushing, throwing or violence, just the police and stewards called, game over. Match that against the thuggery of the Tescos. We will be punished for the lack of control shown by their club and inbred fans. It's almost inevitable.

 

[Sussex Wolf]

The Athletic describes the incident in detail through an eyewitness, and it’s consistent with the Albion vlog posted on the verdict thread. A Wolves fan sat in the home end jumped up smiling to celebrate the second goal. That goaded the nearby Albion fans who went for him. The stewards intervened to remove and protect him, which in turn drew more Albion fans, one of whom kicked the Wolves fan. The majority of Albion fans on the pitch gathered to watch. Once the police arrived, they cleared a route and escorted the Wolves fan out.

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theathletic.com

What’s missing is the rest of it. The bottles thrown by the Albion fans down the other end, and the fights between the Albion fans down the other end with the Police. The media seem to be focusing on the trouble in the home end because that’s where fans spilled onto the pitch, and where families had to be removed for safety, but the worst trouble was amongst the Albion fans in the corner near the Wolves end.

 

[Bugsy911]

The Athletic describes the incident in detail through an eyewitness, and it’s consistent with the Albion vlog posted on the verdict thread. A Wolves fan sat in the home end jumped up smiling to celebrate the second goal. That goaded the nearby Albion fans who went for him. The stewards intervened to remove and protect him, which in turn drew more Albion fans, one of whom kicked the Wolves fan. The majority of Albion fans on the pitch gathered to watch. Once the police arrived, they cleared a route and escorted the Wolves fan out.

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theathletic.com

You can see the video vlog of exactly this as to what happened Brummie Road end which had nothing to do wkthbthe behaviour in the East stand to the right of us where eventually the police went in heavy on the inbreds.

 

[JadeWolf]

Guy I work with reckons because of the crowd trouble the game should be null and void and replayed.

 

[WolfLing]

The BBC report says: "...missiles were also thrown by both sets of supporters following the visitors' second goal."

Were they?

Technically, yes.

Although I think the Wolves fans were just throwing stuff back from whence it came.

 

[WolfLing]

Guy I work with reckons because of the crowd trouble the game should be null and void and replayed.

I'm all for it. Think we would have won 3 or 4 without the break and flat last 15.

 

[SuperGran]

Guy I work with reckons because of the crowd trouble the game should be null and void and replayed.

We’d still beat them easily

 

[Golden Oldie]

The BBC write up is trying to make sure as much of the blame as possible is shared.

With no wish to offend anyone, but imho the Beeb has reached the depths of reporting detritus. They were once my first port of call for any reasoned account of events, but today I wouldn't trust anything they produced. Which explains why I can believe the comments above but cannot verify because I no longer possess a tv licence - I simply will not subscribe a penny towards their 'upkeep'.

 

[Loefah]

I know they shouldn’t be in their end but does that give them free licence to thump them on the head? Hope they are arrested.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1751697093545070620

Neanderthals. He probably deserves to be sent away with a flea in his ear and some verbal but there's about 4 blokes there that had a cheap shot even though he didn't want any trouble.

 

[Golden Oldie]

I’ve literally only just realised two of their players didn’t want to continue and were subbed.

IF that is true, the cynic in me says, of the two, nice try!

 

[Shergar]

If Wolves as a club get fined or penalised because some Wolves fans were enabled to get tickets in the home sections.. then Liverklopp should be made to play behind closed doors because it happens at every one of their games and on a massive scale when they are in Europe.

 

[Wolfman jack]

Technically, yes.

Although I think the Wolves fans were just throwing stuff back from whence it came.

So thats ok then.

 

[WolfLing]

Sanctions for what? I'd be amazed if any charges were against Wolves.

Yeah, none of this is down to anything we've done as a club. And while unwise, I don't think you can blame any Wolves fans.

I think the club might get done for our fans throwing back the stuff that was thrown at them, that's probably the only charge we could be up for.

It's not illegal to be in the home end. Thousands do it for every match, every weekend.

It is unwise to celebrate a goal when sitting in the home end, especially the home end of local rivals. But again, I don't think it's against the law?

It is however illegal to physically attack someone who is sitting in the home end and/or celebrating a goal.

It's also an offence to enter the pitch.

It's an offence to strike a steward or police officer.

They'll be made an example of. Realistically, there should be 50+ banned for life, although I don't reckon they'll be able to identify a lot who are there with their mate's free ticket.

Then you've got the issues Albion's end. Ticketing was obviously a joke. How many other Wolves fans were there in their end but staying quiet and well behaved? I was offered tickets in the Albion end by 2 or 3 different people! I'm sure loads were the same.

An absolute shambles. Their desperation to sell out has directly led to this.

 

[WolfLing]

So thats ok then.

Morally OK. As far as the FA are concerned, probably not OK.

If someone throws a bottle at you, just fill it with **** and throw it back!

 

[bigwolf]

Lets not forget the ball boy who got hit with a bottle from the home fans as well.

All the evidence is there to show the problem was in the home ends. And the security of those areas rests with WBA. Not one wolves fan left our away stand as far as I am aware yet possibly 200 Albion fans deemed it acceptable to leave their stand and act like thugs. I counted from my seat about 20 idiots running across the whole width of the pitch to get involved

It really is as simple as that and so I can't see official blame being placed at our door.

However I'll say again it should also be noted the majority of WBA were well behaved and will no doubt be embarrassed by what happened.

We are are not without our share of idiots but this time it really was not us.

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

Be interested to know who the 5(?) arrests are. I mean there was apparently one before the game for possession of a weapon, then there's the guy with the head wound, at least two got thrown out from the East Stand (could have been 50), then there's the two who wandered down the pitch. So I've got to 6 already, nobody from within the stands?

 

[Jawwfc]

I'm all for it. Think we would have won 3 or 4 without the break and flat last 15.

Think both sides just wanted it to end, they just wanted to get through the game another goal it would've kicked off again I reckon.

 

[Sussex Wolf]

Lets not forget the ball boy who got hit with a bottle from the home fans as well.

All the evidence is there to show the problem was in the home ends. And the security of those areas rests with WBA. Not one wolves fan left our away stand as far as I am aware yet possibly 200 Albion fans deemed it acceptable to leave their stand and act like thugs. I counted from my seat about 20 idiots running across the whole width of the pitch to get involved

It really is as simple as that and so I can't see official blame being placed at our door.

However I'll say again it should also be noted the majority of WBA were well behaved and will no doubt be embarrassed by what happened.

We are are not without our share of idiots but this time it really was not us.

100%

But it’s the FA we’re talking about… So Wolves get fined for our players inciting trouble by excessive celebrations in a heated atmosphere, for throwing flares, and for throwing (back) objects at the Albion fans.

The FA have form for digging out ridiculous charges against us. Even for things which happen in the vast majority of English football matches every week to some extent.