Yerson Mosquera

[lets all have a disco]

I'm not quite sure I understand your logic here, can you explain? How much do you think we could sell him for?

After a decent spell in la liga, we don't nw.....most of it will be profit.......never said I would sell him....but we may get bids......out of all the players we have out on loan I think he would generate the most profit from and probably get the most interest....

If other avenues fail to raise money it might be something we have to consider to generate funds for a striker.......that's all I'm saying....

 

[Skrilla]

I think Killman would be ideal in the middle. I know he’s not super quick but I’d say he is definitely quicker than Coady or Dawson. Put Mosquera and Toti either side and I think you could afford to play a high line.

I think it’s a big reason why Man City are able to press relentlessly. Pep has faith in all of his defenders in one-on-one situations. They essentially play four centre backs if you count Walker’s ability to play there, with Ake or Gvardiol often starting on the left.

It’s become very common now for teams to play a back four with a centre back at either left or right back, and an additional centre back on the other side. Burn-Trippier, Veltman-Estupinan, White-Zinchenko, Walker-Ake.

Not sure we can do that, unless it’s with Toti at left back. I certainly wouldn’t want to risk it with Semedo and RAN in a four, I don’t think you’d have the right balance there.

Neto - Cunha - Sarabia
RAN - Lemina - Gomes
Toti - Kilman - Mosquera - Semedo
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I know some will say that’s similar to how we already play, but the obvious difference is an extra centre back with pace that isn’t going to be a liability against counter attacks as Dawson/Bueno would be.

 

[Slothmonkey]

I think Killman would be ideal in the middle. I know he’s not super quick but I’d say he is definitely quicker than Coady or Dawson. Put Mosquera and Toti either side and I think you could afford to play a high line.

Kilman in the middle one on one scares me tbh. He seems to panic alot still and is easily beaten. Example for Man Uniteds winner. Also, believes he dithers on the ball to much at times.

 

[Aurum Lupus]

After a decent spell in la liga, we don't nw.....most of it will be profit.......never said I would sell him....but we may get bids......out of all the players we have out on loan I think he would generate the most profit from and probably get the most interest....

If other avenues fail to raise money it might be something we have to consider to generate funds for a striker.......that's all I'm saying....

Let's be honest, Neto is paying for the striker, not the loanees. I would suspect we wouldn't get much more than £10m for Mosquera, which is barely going to buy a strikers leg!

 

[northnorfolkwolf]

Going slightly OT and having watched Man City last night (I know we can't compare to them) and I know we have an ethos of 5 at the back but is there any chance we could go to a 4 next season which might give GON new attacking options?

 

[lets all have a disco]

Let's be honest, Neto is paying for the striker, not the loanees. I would suspect we wouldn't get much more than £10m for Mosquera, which is barely going to buy a strikers leg!

agree......but we don't nw what will happen in the summer.......so we cant rule anything out.........everybody will have a price and you can only sell who you get offers for.........its not about Yerson as per say.....i just cant see us having 5 Centre backs..

 

[Aurum Lupus]

agree......but we don't nw what will happen in the summer.......so we cant rule anything out.........everybody will have a price and you can only sell who you get offers for.........its not about Yerson as per say.....i just cant see us having 5 Centre backs..

We don't, but with serious journos like Romano stating multiple clubs interest its a pretty good bet we'll have offers. Whether or not they meet our valuation is a different story. Playing a back 3 means 5 isn't unreasonable, tbf you should have 2 per position. Add that to the fact Dawson is no spring chicken I just can't see us selling YM for anywhere near what we'd get offered. Santi Bueno cost us £8.5m and he's got far more experience than Yerson.

 

[Supadavewolf]

.i just cant see us having 5 Centre backs..

I guess it partly depends on whether GON would regard both Toti and Yerson as "hybrid" players, ie a CB who can also cover at FB/WB. That would give 3 'specialist' CBs - Dawson, Santi Bueno and Kilman - plus the versatility of Yerson and Toti.

 

[hollo]

Didn't Toti come back under Bruno when we were absolutely desparate for a CB? He played out of necessity and to be fair to the lad, has grasped the opportunity

Toti trained with kawabe on a break from grasshoppers. Wolvesreturned kawabe and kept toti. Toti only cost us 500k.

 

[lets all have a disco]

I guess it partly depends on whether GON would regard both Toti and Yerson as "hybrid" players, ie a CB who can also cover at FB/WB. That would give 3 'specialist' CBs - Dawson, Santi Bueno and Kilman - plus the versatility of Yerson and Toti.

Yes I get that......was more thinking from budget point of view etc.....especially when we are short at the top end of the pitch...

But yes I get that but it could mean a loan out for say Hugo Bueno for instance....

 

[Pengwern]

Yerson will become top draw under GON

 

[GoldenHorseshoe]

Kilman in the middle one on one scares me tbh. He seems to panic alot still and is easily beaten. Example for Man Uniteds winner. Also, believes he dithers on the ball to much at times.

Panics a lot, easily beaten, dithers on the ball,
**** me, we'd better sell the **** quick before the footballing community twigs what a god awful defender he is.

 

[JOSWolf]

Needs to return and form part of our defence next season.

 

[wolfgar]

Panics a lot, easily beaten, dithers on the ball,
**** me, we'd better sell the **** quick before the footballing community twigs what a god awful defender he is.

Great at futsal though

 

[Kebab Warrior]

Great at futsal though

I never knew he played futsal

 

[wolfgar]

I never knew he played futsal

Little known fact

 

[Ned]

Mosquera is quick, aggressive and has presumably developed a bit more man strength. He’s exactly what we need in a centre back for next season and can genuinely see him as the first defender down on the team sheet. Performing well in La Liga is not to be sniffed at.

I love Dawson and Kilman and think they’ve been quality at times this season but their lack of pace has cost us more than a few times. I can see a defence of Mosquera and Toti either side of Kilman as both can seamlessly go over to play full back in games. It’s perfect.

 

[TheRetroChief]

Great at futsal though

At Chorley wasn't it?

 

[Perton Wolf]

Going slightly OT and having watched Man City last night (I know we can't compare to them) and I know we have an ethos of 5 at the back but is there any chance we could go to a 4 next season which might give GON new attacking options?

Not with our current crop of CBs.

 

[Perton Wolf]

Mosquera is quick, aggressive and has presumably developed a bit more man strength. He’s exactly what we need in a centre back for next season and can genuinely see him as the first defender down on the team sheet. Performing well in La Liga is not to be sniffed at.

I love Dawson and Kilman and think they’ve been quality at times this season but their lack of pace has cost us more than a few times. I can see a defence of Mosquera and Toti either side of Kilman as both can seamlessly go over to play full back in games. It’s perfect.

You're right on Mosquera but I do think Toti can be improved upon the most to be honest, and that Santi Bueno has a higher ceiling than him.

 

[Redhillwolf]

Mosquera is quick, aggressive and has presumably developed a bit more man strength. He’s exactly what we need in a centre back for next season and can genuinely see him as the first defender down on the team sheet. Performing well in La Liga is not to be sniffed at.

I love Dawson and Kilman and think they’ve been quality at times this season but their lack of pace has cost us more than a few times. I can see a defence of Mosquera and Toti either side of Kilman as both can seamlessly go over to play full back in games. It’s perfect.

This for me too…Kilman will be quality in that sort of sweeper role and the pace either side will allow us to play higher and more aggressively.

 

[Slothmonkey]

Panics a lot, easily beaten, dithers on the ball,
**** me, we'd better sell the **** quick before the footballing community twigs what a god awful defender he is.

Maybe I over exaggerated. I had a few whisky's yesterday I personally do not think he will be as good as people think in the middle. I do stand by opinion. Maybe easily and dither were the wrong words. He is a good defender but to play centrally feel he has certain aspects he needs to improve on. Concentration seems to be the main. He loses his man quite often and we have conceded goals that show this.

 

[wolfslair]

Mosquera is quick, aggressive and has presumably developed a bit more man strength. He’s exactly what we need in a centre back for next season and can genuinely see him as the first defender down on the team sheet. Performing well in La Liga is not to be sniffed at.

I love Dawson and Kilman and think they’ve been quality at times this season but their lack of pace has cost us more than a few times. I can see a defence of Mosquera and Toti either side of Kilman as both can seamlessly go over to play full back in games. It’s perfect.

Mosquera
Dawson
Toti

Bloody hell that is actually a mean defence if we play 3 cb’s

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

Mosquera
Dawson
Toti

Bloody hell that is actually a mean defence if we play 3 cb’s

Could even play a back 4 Mosquera and Toti have pace

 

[wolfslair]

Could even play a back 4 Mosquera and Toti have pace

Options, options, options you bloody love to see it!!!!!

Or even drop one of them into a full back role for more height but not lose pace or power against the bigger teams or when they start lumping jt into the box or love a set piece as a tactic…..

 

[Bawtry Wolf]

Mosquera is quick, aggressive and has presumably developed a bit more man strength. He’s exactly what we need in a centre back for next season and can genuinely see him as the first defender down on the team sheet. Performing well in La Liga is not to be sniffed at.

I love Dawson and Kilman and think they’ve been quality at times this season but their lack of pace has cost us more than a few times. I can see a defence of Mosquera and Toti either side of Kilman as both can seamlessly go over to play full back in games. It’s perfect.

I see this a lot about Kilman and lack of pace. I think he’s not agile on the turn and perhaps isn’t as quick over 5 yards but he’s not slow in a foot race chasing back. He’s got last ditch blocks in on many occasions coming across to block a shot. Dawson is slow.

What I wish Kilman would do is be more assertive when he breaks forward. He’s done it several times but as he gets towards the box he slows down and seems to look for an outlet. He’s nowhere near as bad as Floyd Streete who went into a blind panic if he crossed the half way line with the ball but he could be so much better and actually change the dynamic when teams are sat in by bringing the ball forward further.

 

[Perton Wolf]

Could even play a back 4 Mosquera and Toti have pace

And zero leadership, would be another Kilman/Collins like disaster.

Dawson will likely be OK for another season in a 5, if he then leaves or before that point then we'll have to replace him with an experienced head. Kilman isn't a leader in any case.

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

And zero leadership, would be another Kilman/Collins like disaster.

Dawson will likely be OK for another season in a 5, if he then leaves or before that point then we'll have to replace him with an experienced head. Kilman isn't a leader in any case.

Dawson next to them would be perfect sell Kilman and have Bueno perfect money signs rolling

 

[Minimalist]

Dawson next to them would be perfect sell Kilman and have Bueno perfect money signs rolling

Killman is exceptionally useful because he’s completely comfortable in all 3 cb positions. Or even either side of a two. Allows you to just have 4 senior cb’s in the squad.

 

[Aurum Lupus]

You're right on Mosquera but I do think Toti can be improved upon the most to be honest, and that Santi Bueno has a higher ceiling than him.

Can I ask what you think Toti is poor at?

 

[JamesWolves]

Can I ask what you think Toti is poor at?

Only thing I can think of is he's so slow getting upto speed, watching his accelerate is like watching him in slow motion

 

[hollo]

Can I ask what you think Toti is poor at?

Passing and control could be better. Got done for pace by archer.

 

[tamwolf]

Only thing I can think of is he's so slow getting upto speed, watching his accelerate is like watching him in slow motion

I think he also gets caught out of position quite a lot. He gets drawn in to pressing and creates space behind him for the other team to exploit.

I think it was the goal by Palmer for Chelsea (I may have misremembered) that's a good example, where he got drawn out of the back line following a forward into midfield and Palmer ghosted in behind him.

 

[Aurum Lupus]

I think he also gets caught out of position quite a lot. He gets drawn in to pressing and creates space behind him for the other team to exploit.

I think it was the goal by Palmer for Chelsea (I may have misremembered) that's a good example, where he got drawn out of the back line following a forward into midfield and Palmer ghosted in behind him.

This is the one criticism i dont like. He gets caught out of position because its what GON is asking him to do. That's not his fault, or something he can do anything about. Out of the back 3 he's the one that pushes highest, the reason being he's the quickest so is most likely to be able to recover position. This is highlighted by him being in the 93rd perce tile for CBs receiving progressive passes. That shows he's pushing up the pitch far more than most other CBs and that's going to be on instruction.

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

Has anyone actually seen him play in Spain to see how he’s progressed? I watched him a fair bit in our under 23s prior to going to America and he looked VERY raw. Had the obvious attributes of being big and strong, pacy and good in the tackle but he was very erratic and positionally awful (used his pace to get him out of trouble a lot). Watched a few MLS games but was hard to judge him really as it’s a pretty hopeless standard on the hole. Personally feels there’s a lot of clamour to play him next year without actually seeing him

 

[Aurum Lupus]

Has anyone actually seen him play in Spain to see how he’s progressed? I watched him a fair bit in our under 23s prior to going to America and he looked VERY raw. Had the obvious attributes of being big and strong, pacy and good in the tackle but he was very erratic and positionally awful (used his pace to get him out of trouble a lot). Watched a few MLS games but was hard to judge him really as it’s a pretty hopeless standard on the hole. Personally feels there’s a lot of clamour to play him next year without actually seeing him

I haven't, but have read a few reports and they're all glowing. Raul Albiol has been singing his praises too. He's started the last 4 games over there, so the coach must see something in him too.

If you look at his stats they're also seriously impressive-

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[hollo]

Has anyone actually seen him play in Spain to see how he’s progressed? I watched him a fair bit in our under 23s prior to going to America and he looked VERY raw. Had the obvious attributes of being big and strong, pacy and good in the tackle but he was very erratic and positionally awful (used his pace to get him out of trouble a lot). Watched a few MLS games but was hard to judge him really as it’s a pretty hopeless standard on the hole. Personally feels there’s a lot of clamour to play him next year without actually seeing him

He has looked good for villareal. Wins headers, recovery pace, passing reasonably good. Tackles well. Quick decision making alright. Only thing is he occasionally switches off.

 

[Aurum Lupus]

He has looked good for villareal. Wins headers, recovery pace, passing reasonably good. Tackles well. Quick decision making alright. Only thing is he occasionally switches off.

Young defenders do occasionally switch off, but that is easily coached out. The more he plays the less it will happen too.

 

[tamwolf]

This is the one criticism i dont like. He gets caught out of position because its what GON is asking him to do. That's not his fault, or something he can do anything about. Out of the back 3 he's the one that pushes highest, the reason being he's the quickest so is most likely to be able to recover position. This is highlighted by him being in the 93rd perce tile for CBs receiving progressive passes. That shows he's pushing up the pitch far more than most other CBs and that's going to be on instruction.

I get that when we are high up the pitch, but he also does it at incorrect times. The example I gave was when our defensive line were defending on the edge of their own penalty area and the ball was on the other side of the pitch. I am pretty sure GON hasn't told him to step up in that instance and leave a huge gap for an opposition player to exploit. We went from a non-threatening position to being undone with one pass because of his positioning.

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

Young defenders do occasionally switch off, but that is easily coached out. The more he plays the less it will happen too.

Next to a Dawson for example could work. He’s an exciting prospect our Yerson. He will become a star. Always gives his all