Albion punishment

[Wombourne Wolf]

Not like the BBC to completely make something up?

Have they used 'verify' yet

 

[sedgwolf1980]

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‘Pictures that precede a series of unfortunate events’

 

[Titch]

Should Wolves fans be going in the Albion end and celebrating? No. But does that excuse people trying to give them a thump? No. Does it excuse people running from side of the ground to the other ACROSS THE PITCH to try and join in? No. Does it excuse the scruffs who ran on and tried to goad the away end? No. Does it excuse throwing bottles coins and lighters at Wolves fans and players? No.

Yesterday’s scenes weren’t pretty, but let’s get real, only one club has embarrassed and disgraced itself. And it ain’t us.

Exactly this Jade and when you see the video that shows 'Jimmy Saville' was the one who started the mass charge from the Brummy road with his kick and then he was allowed to walk the full length of the pitch minutes later to goad the away fans, you have to question the stewarding!!

No reason for the Albion fans the opposite end of the ground to start anything either, apart from being bad losers/*********/inbred delete as appropriate!

The bottle throwing at Doyle and Doc, coins at us, the grandma allowed to walk on the pitch!!!

They have history for all of this, they need a fine, a game or two behind closed doors, steward training and the section by the away end in the East stand is the one that needs closing and having seats blocked off, they rarely sell out so it wouldn't matter anyway!

 

[optimuswolf]

This rhetoric is annoying me. Football fans going in the wrong end is wrong and bad form. No more. No less.

Punching them is a crime. A criminal act.

Albion fans are 6 fingered sister lovers who don't know the difference. We are better. The line is clear?

There are several lines for me:

Criminal offence - assault, entering the playing area

Embarassing - giving it large to a few fans in the wrong end

Selfish - getting tickets in the wrong end because you just have to see the game live

Idiotic - celebrating a goal in the wrong end of a derby match.

One sad thing about the social media age is that people are too hung up on equivalence. Of course sitting in the same end quietly (or even loudly) is not the same as throwing punches at someone with their hands up trying to leave the stadium.

Doesn't mean it is right though.

 

[MikeH68]

Seen a lot of people suggesting six of one, half a dozen of the other, both teams should be in trouble etc, but what would Wolves be charged with? One or two individuals independently buying tickets from albion fans? Happens at most games and is surely the home clubs problem? If a handful of Wolves fans managed to get tickets in their home end, whats that got to do with Wolves? Home fans still don’t have to attack them en masse? The fighting was all albion and you could see them lobbing bottles at Doyle live on the tele. Only managed to hit one of their own ballboys though.

I have a few albion mates who go on as if they are the bestest, most lovely fans in the country, and that Wolves are nothing but a bunch of horrible thugs. Given this odd superiority complex, I think yesterday has been a bit tough for some of them to process tbh. One or two Wolves in the home end is no excuse for that lot completely embarrassing themselves and football in general sorry. Couldn’t sell your tickets. Couldn’t handle losing. Can’t accept being miles behind. Never letting them forget this one.

That suggestion that some crazed Wolves fan spat at Bartleys missus is clearly some made up *******s. Makes zero actual sense at all.

Videos of Wolves fans in the e home end 2-3 I’ve seen is one fan and another video 2-3 fans none are fighting, in effect one lad is acknowledging he shouldn’t be there and is attacked by 6-7 of the scum from behind as they try to leave and the attackers are being congratulated by scum fans. You clearly see all faces so shouldn’t be hard for Police to identify them. From my viewing the fans only crime is sitting where they shouldn’t. If you believe that to be a crime and warrant being attacked by loads of thugs then take a look at yourself. (To be clear I don’t mean you or Wolves fans on here).

 

[Big Saft Kid]

This morning Radio 4 wheeled out GON to comment on the crowd violence. He had nothing much to say except he he was shocked and sorry about it, especially when Albion players' families got dragged into it.

I don't like the way this is going. What has GON got to do with it? It sounded as if he was apologising when Wolves have nothing to apologise for. No Albion voice on the report whatsoever. I think we are being framed.

 

[Fenrir_]

The commentary on the Match of the Day highlights started with describing the relationship between us and them as "pure hatred". Is that responsible journalism? Pathetic ****
-stirring from the BBC. My oldest mate, from school days, is a Baggie. It's a rivalry, nothing more, for the vast majority.

James Fielden, he's a Wolves fan, used to post on here. Probably not the most responsible thing he's ever said!

 

[wolfgar]

This morning Radio 4 wheeled out GON to comment on the crowd violence. He had nothing much to say except he to say hewas shocked and sorry about it, especially when Albion players' families got dragged into it.

I don't like the way this is going. What had GON got to do with it. It sounded as if he was apologising when Wolves have nothing to apologise for. No Albion voice on the report whatsoever. I think we are being framed.

If we are charged with anything then the FA really needs to be very specific about what we are being charged with and what we are actually culpable for? If a handful of away fans independently buy tickets from home fans, I’d be interested to hear explanation as to how that is the away clubs fault? Or how that then justifies the events that followed? Have a feeling we’ll get fined along with them simply for the optics, but that I think would be seriously unfair?

If Wolves fans were fighting in the stands, lobbing missiles at players and running onto the pitch I’d say 100% fine us. But that isn’t what happened?

 

[Big Saft Kid]

If we are charged with anything then the FA really needs to be very specific about what we are being charged with and what we are culpable for? If a handful of away fans independently buy tickets from home fans, I’d like to hear their explanation as to how that is the away clubs fault. Or then justifies the events that followed. Have a feeling we’ll get fined along with them simply for the optics, but that I think would be seriously unfair?

If Wolves fans were fighting in the stands, lobbing missiles at players and running onto the pitch I’d say 100% fine us. But that isn’t what happened?

Since when has 'being unfair' figured in the FA's thinking? It's all about avoiding 'a return to the 70s' apparently. I can see both clubs being sanctioned because the FA can't be bothered to investigate properly, and they think we're all just a load of yobs up here anyway.

 

[wolfgar]

Since when has 'being unfair' figured in the FA's thinking? It's all about avoiding 'a return to the 70s' apparently. I can see both clubs being sanctioned because the FA can't be bothered to investigate properly, and they think we're all just a load of yobs up here anyway.

I think you are absolutely right.

 

[Kford]

Points deduction would be a good punishment or a 6 figure fine for the ****

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

I think you are absolutely right.

Can’t see how we are in trouble. Everything was in the home end. Their issue not ours

 

[Big Saft Kid]

Points deduction would be a good punishment or a 6 figure fine for the ****

Can't see a points deduction. It's a different competition to the Champ. Massive fine on the cards, with a warning that any repeat and they will close the ground to spectators for a game or two. I doubt if Wolves will get off scottfree though. We may get a fine too, smaller. Outrageous of course, but par for the course for the suits in the FA.

 

[Werewolf of Wombourne]

Sanctions for what? I'd be amazed if any charges were against Wolves.

Exactly, as a club we can’t be held responsible for any of what happened. Some individual fans may end up in bother with the law but as a club we are blameless. Those individual Wolves fans in the home end didn’t get their tickets from Wolves, they got them from West Brom and West Brom fans. Wolves can’t be held responsible for the ticketing policy of other clubs.

I also thought it was pretty stupid of West Brom to play The Liquidator. It was good from a nostalgia point of view but it increased the antagonism of the fans.

From what I have seen of the footage the majority blame must also go to West Brom fans. We all saw Tommy Doyle have multiple bottles thrown at him. Fortunately for him their fans aim is as useless as their forward line so he didnt get hurt. That was nothing to do with Wolves fans celebrating. Any idiots celebrating in the home end were stupid in the extreme and can expect consequences but that didn’t justify hundreds of West Brom fans climbing over the stand on to the pitch to get over there or that moron who assaulted the fan from behind. From what you can see there was the one Wolves fan but he had been identified and was being dealt with by stewards and Police so that should have been the end of it. Nothing can justify how the West Brom fans reacted.

I imagine they are facing a hefty fine, possible stadium ban and worse of all, as some of them have identified, it may scare off their potential new owner. I can’t see a Chinese businessman wanting to be associated with that.

 

[wolfgar]

Can’t see how we are in trouble. Everything was in the home end. Their issue not ours

FA innit?

 

[Very Proud (AKA Still Proud)]

Points deduction would be a good punishment or a 6 figure fine for the ****

Got to admit I automatically read “6 finger fine”

 

[S G Wolves]

Why is the SSN reporter outside their stadium this morning saying both clubs could be charged. What did we do?
It was more a party atmosphere in our end laughing at the imbeciles.
There was a good atmosphere with the coppers before and after the game..

 

[JadeWolf]

Why is the SSN reporter outside their stadium this morning saying both clubs could be charged. What did we do?
It was more a party atmosphere in our end laughing at the imbeciles.
There was a good atmosphere with the coppers before and after the game..

Police were excellent to be fair.

 

[Wonder Boyo]

Pretty good coverage on Radio 5 this morning to be fair. They interviewed their commentator, John Murray, who said,while there may have been a few Wolves fans in the home end unwisely celebrating, all the trouble came from Albion fans running over from other stands with intent to fight. He also mentioned that it was Albion fans who were throwing objects at Wolves players in the other corner of the pitch and trying to reach the Wolves fans and fighting with police. Also said that the Wolves fans behind the goal were well behaved and there was no attempt by them to get on the pitch or fight with Albion fans and they weren't throwing any objects.

 

[Big Saft Kid]

Why is the SSN reporter outside their stadium this morning saying both clubs could be charged. What did we do?
It was more a party atmosphere in our end laughing at the imbeciles.
There was a good atmosphere with the coppers before and after the game..

SSN guesswork

 

[Big Saft Kid]

Pretty good coverage on Radio 5 this morning to be fair. They interviewed their commentator, John Murray, who said,while there may have been a few Wolves fans in the home end unwisely celebrating, all the trouble came from Albion fans running over from other stands with intent to fight. He also mentioned that it was Albion fans who were throwing objects at Wolves players in the other corner of the pitch and trying to reach the Wolves fans and fighting with police. Also said that the Wolves fans behind the goal were well behaved and there was no attempt by them to get on the pitch or fight with Albion fans and they weren't throwing any objects.

A voice of reason at last. John Murray is always an excellent commentator on 5Live. Always extremely well informed, best in the business

 

[wolfslair]

A season ticket for everyone convicted. For life

Doesn’t that punishment fall foul of the Geneva convention and the human rights act?

 

[WV10Wolf]

Of course some of this could have been avoided if they’d given us the extra 1200 seats the away end holds rather than being salty.

 

[MikeH68]

FA innit?

The only accusations that I can see thrown at Wolves:
- Wolves fans in home ends - seen videos of 3-4 fans being attacked - doesn’t look like the Wolves fans are fighting back, just trying to move.
- one bottle I saw thrown back at the Albion fans after being thrown at Wolves fans
- 3-4 flares being released in away end

That appears to be our lot.
But hearing on the National radio, from a Wolves fan I might add, that Wolves fans were in the home end and that pubs in Wolverhampton at 6.00 - Jeff Stelling loved that!
I’m not stupid and Wolves fans aren’t always whiter than white, but Albion need to own this. We don’t need Wolves being sucked into this and getting the blame. There are enough videos out there for people to watch to what happens. The jimmy Saville lookalike I watched in a video attacking someone then appears on the pitch walking up to the away end.
The game as the press have already being said, is forgotten, well the Albion fans worked their magic then didn’t they, losing 2.0 so kicked off big style. Stopped them conceding any more, as the players heads were down.

 

[Chisels_n_ommers]

Is there evidence (or footage) that the Wolves fans in the Albion end celebrated?

I doubt they did.

They might have been rumbled in some way - but I'd be surprised if they stood up and celebrated goals.

Someone has said "my mates a Wolves fan". It's got round to others. "He's a Wolves fan there"

It's been left until we've scored and then they've lost their $$$$ about it.

That's more likely a scenario

* having sat in the Leeds home end back in the day.....you don't celebrate you keep your head down!

 

[Monk]

Been looking on their site 50/50 some saying our fan's fault for being in their seats others saying its no excuse

Watching on tv - they say when Neto scored a flare was thrown in their end - saw a flare go off but this wasn't mentioned in commentary. If true was idiotic but doesn't give their fans the right to lump bottles at wolves players

Doesn't excuse idiots running across the pitch to get at wolves fans in amother stand

The tv pictures show wolves fans trying to get out of the stand but being blocked by Albion fans from other stands meaning the police couldn't get at them, then no more pictures shown.

It was idiotic to celebrate in the away end but doesn't excuse that sort of behaviour - if wolves charged with anything should contest to the hilt as can't see how it's our fault.

 

[optimuswolf]

Why is the SSN reporter outside their stadium this morning saying both clubs could be charged. What did we do?
It was more a party atmosphere in our end laughing at the imbeciles.
There was a good atmosphere with the coppers before and after the game..

Maybe they're just talking ****e. As others have said its hard to see how a case can be made against wolves on any of the rules, whereas the punching and particularly the charging the stands/invading the pitch are much more likely to be seen as breaches.

 

[Hazza]

Quite a good assessment on talksport website this morning from Dean Ashton

'Shameful look for English football' as West Brom vs Wolves descends into chaos

The ‘disgusting’ and ‘horrific’ scenes at West Brom’s FA Cup clash with local rivals Wolves brought shame on the image of English football. That’s according to D…

talksport.com

Final Sentence helps us

‘It’s such a horrific look for English football and West Bromwich Albion’

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[wolfgar]

The only accusations that I can see thrown at Wolves:
- Wolves fans in home ends - seen videos of 3-4 fans being attacked - doesn’t look like the Wolves fans are fighting back, just trying to move.
- one bottle I saw thrown back at the Albion fans after being thrown at Wolves fans
- 3-4 flares being released in away end

That appears to be our lot.
But hearing on the National radio, from a Wolves fan I might add, that Wolves fans were in the home end and that pubs in Wolverhampton at 6.00 - Jeff Stelling loved that!
I’m not stupid and Wolves fans aren’t always whiter than white, but Albion need to own this. We don’t need Wolves being sucked into this and getting the blame. There are enough videos out there for people to watch to what happens. The jimmy Saville lookalike I watched in a video attacking someone then appears on the pitch walking up to the away end.
The game as the press have already being said, is forgotten, well the Albion fans worked their magic then didn’t they, losing 2.0 so kicked off big style. Stopped them conceding any more, as the players heads were down.

I said earlier, I don’t think we have really done anything, but I also think we will be fined (a far smaller one than WBA). The reason that will be the FA wanting to show its tough, regardless of whether we are actually even culpable for anything?

 

[Stafford]

Talksport article basically blaming us.

 

[Tring Wolf]

The whole day couldn’t have gone any worse for them. Couldn’t sell their tickets resulting in tickets being made available to Wolves fans.

Disgraceful, violent scenes embarrassing the club in front of a national TV audience. And as shown by that Cunha celebration, owned on the pitch by their biggest rivals, who didn’t really get out of second gear.

In huge financial peril already so the incoming fine could well mean they need to sell a player. And, more importantly, the scenes in the stands aren’t a good look for any potential investor.

A lot of short-term pain for their fans yesterday but the longer-term implications could be significantly worse.

 

[topcat99]

Well I think Bartley has been linked with Luton.... he might well be on his way now.

Think he would fit in at Brentford with the other cheats.

As for Jimmy Savile, he needs to either stay at home for 10 years, or get a complete makeover, as I should imagine that he could be walking around with a big fat target on his back.
Hope he enjoyed his day, because I should think that he has taken in his last ever game at the Hawthorns

 

[wolfgar]

Just seen this mentioned a couple of times again on twitter, but I’d bet a lot of money that there was no Wolves fan in the home that identified Kyle Bartleys mrs and decided he needed to spit at her. Why would anyone even do that? Did not happen of the year, but some Baggies are going to maintain it did forever to justify a load of them behaving like animals on national tv. Scrubbers

 

[wolfgar]

Talksport article basically blaming us.

The only people I’ve seen blame us are a few deluded albion fans and people with zero actual clue what they are even talking about. Just making it up. Away fans are in home ends at every football game. I’ve done it tonnes of times. Chelsea and Arsenal most recently. I’ve never been attacked by a rampaging horde of orcs on tele as a result

 

[Super Ted]

The whole Bentley’s wife being spat on by a Wolves fan just does not add up to me.

From the footage I’ve seen the Wolves fan/s in the area were being escorted out by stewards and police. How did they then get in the situation where they could spit on Bentley’s wife?

I think, if the incident happened at all, the balance of probably is that it was a West Brom fan who had mistaken her for a Wolves fan/Wag trying to get out of the area.

 

[MikeH68]

Just seen this mentioned a couple if times again on twitter, but I’d bet a lot if money that there was no Wolves fan in the home that identified Kyle Bartleys mrs and decided he needed to spit at her. Why would anyone even do that? Did not happen of the year, but sone are going to maintain it forever to justify a load of them behaving like animals. Scrubbers

I heard this peddled a couple of times on ‘x’ as the reason for all the Albion fans invading the pitch even at the end via the Wolves fans.

 

[wolfgar]

The whole Bentley’s wife being spat on by a Wolves fan just does not add up to me.

From the footage I’ve seen the Wolves fan/s in the area were being escorted out by stewards and police. How did they then get in the situation where they could spit on Bentley’s wife?

I think, if the incident happened at all, the balance of probably is that it was a West Brom fan who had mistaken her for a Wolves fan/Wag trying to get out of the area.

I’d bet a lot of money it did not happen. Sounds like some silly chinese whispers nonsense you sometimes get at football grounds

 

[North West Wanderer]

Just seen this mentioned a couple of times again on twitter, but I’d bet a lot if money that there was no Wolves fan in the home that identified Kyle Bartleys mrs and decided he needed to spit at her. Why would anyone even do that? Did not happen of the year, but some Baggies are going to maintain it did forever to justify a load of them behaving like animals on national tv. Scrubbers

The whole Bentley’s wife being spat on by a Wolves fan just does not add up to me.

From the footage I’ve seen the Wolves fan/s in the area were being escorted out by stewards and police. How did they then get in the situation where they could spit on Bentley’s wife?

I think, if the incident happened at all, the balance of probably is that it was a West Brom fan who had mistaken her for a Wolves fan/Wag trying to get out of the area.

Their manager has stated that none of the player’s families were harmed - quote BBC.

Similarly it’s the insinuation that she’s been spat on BECAUSE she’s Bartley’s wife. Let me make it clear that spitting on someone is an absolutely horrific thing in any circumstances.
IF something happened it’s scummy but nothing to do with WHO she is.

 

[Black Country Wanderer]

Theres no doubt we will get a fine
As a club we have done nothing wrong,but a few fans bought tickets in the home end and stupidly cheered the second goal,it was always going to kick off then
Nothing wrong with buying tickets anywhere, ive done it myself, but you dont celebrate goals no matter how you feel thats the price you have to pay
Its a 90%-10% one to WBA and they will get a big fine,but the FA will ofc make an example of both teams,perhaps rightly so,no matter how small the misdemeanour, its still the fuse that lit the powder keg

 

[wolfgar]

Their manager has stated that none of the player’s families were harmed - quote BBC.

Similarly it’s the insinuation that she’s been spat on BECAUSE she’s Bartley’s wife. Let me make it clear that spitting on someone is an absolutely horrific thing in any circumstances.
IF something happened it’s scummy but nothing to do with WHO she is.

Their manager has stated that none of the player’s families were harmed - quote BBC.

Similarly it’s the insinuation that she’s been spat on BECAUSE she’s Bartley’s wife. Let me make it clear that spitting on someone is an absolutely horrific thing in any circumstances.
IF something happened it’s scummy but nothing to do with WHO she is.

The way I saw one Albion fan talking yday was as if some Wolves fan had got a ticket in their end with the express intention of spitting at Kyle Bartleys mrs, and that this then sort of justified albion fans then behaving like complete thugs. **** anyone spitting in general, but I’m pretty sceptical that even happened, let alone someone carrying out some supposedly targeted attack