Emiliano Sala

[Deleted member 5962]

Can't we just name and shame the "offenders"? That would see some semblance of justice. As pointed out no law has been broken, so let's just get a look at the ********* who have done nothing wrong. Let's get them recognised on the streets of Britain so when we see them we can tell them what we think of them.

That would be what is called "doxxing" and can be illegal depending on circumstances.

 

[Bill S Preston Esq.]

That would be what is called "doxxing" and can be illegal depending on circumstances.

But they've done nothing wrong. What could possibly be illegal about naming people that haven't broken the law?

So it's not naming and shaming, it's referring a model citizen. "Bob of Shirley high street and Brian of Mount Pleasant street have been declared model citizens for having not broken the law at St Mary's stadium this week"

I don't see the problem.

 

[Deleted member 5962]

But they've done nothing wrong. What could possibly be illegal about naming people that haven't broken the law?

So it's not naming and shaming, it's referring a model citizen. "Bob of Shirley high street and Brian of Mount Pleasant street have been declared model citizens for having not broken the law at St Mary's stadium this week"

I don't see the problem.

Its releasing someones private information to the public. In a lot of cases it's illegal.

If such information is available in the public domain it's not technically illegal though.

Still think this is all a bit much over some guys being assholes. The club does have the right to ban them, even if I think it's a bit heavy handed. It should be left at that IMO.

My objection earlier in the thread was in regards to government (or police) involvement.

 

[ShifnalWolf]

Not sure if it has been mentioned on here - but what a young chap Kylian Mbappe is - donating €30,000 last week for Sala's search and then an additional €30,000 over the weekend for the pilot's search.

Okay - i know its only 20% of his weekly €300,000 wage - but fair play to him. The incident must have touched him to donate such amounts.

 

[Lupo Italiano]

Well regardless of what he earns its a marvellous gesture and he didn't have to donate anything. Especially good as its for the pilot rather than because its a fellow player.

Well done lad

 

[Deleted member 4023]

Nice that a highly paid footballer actually gives a **** about something - well done kylian

 

[WolfLing]

Cardiff City manager Neil Warnock calls off club's Tenerife trip

Neil Warnock has abandoned plans to take his Cardiff City squad for a four-day break to Tenerife.

Cardiff do not play again until they host Watford until 22 February.

But Warnock believes his players will benefit from time with their families following the death of the club's record signing Emiliano Sala.

"After what's happened, I'd rather cuddle my kids and see my missus because it's been a long two weeks," he said.

I can't stand the bloke, but credit where credit's due, he has handled this situation really well over the last few weeks.

 

[Burton Wolf]

Following on from the above post. Neil Warnock is attending the funeral tomorrow in Argentina. I really hope he keeps Cardiff up.

 

[Frank Lincoln]

I agree with the two posters above. Mr. Warnock really has been a credit to his club, his family and the wider football world following such a terrible tragedy.

I also hope that Cardiff City stay up.

 

[freezin]

I fail to see why it’s important that he’s willie McKays client

All of a sudden it seems like it's become slightly more of an issue doesn't it?

 

[freezin]

It’s a sensitive and emotive issue. There’s free speech and there’s abusing it. Of course you can have free speech but equally you can’t go round doing/saying what you like, especially if that is likely to offend or upset people.

To be fair everyone is entitled to say what they think, or believe as long as it is in the laws of the land.

The laws don't necessarily need reflect morality but then there are shades of acceptability based on an objective perception..

 

[ShropshireLad]

I agree with the two posters above. Mr. Warnock really has been a credit to his club, his family and the wider football world following such a terrible tragedy.

I also hope that Cardiff City stay up.

He has. However, I wonder if the Cardiff management have been likewise.

 

[paddy]

Sala contract had a signature missing.
Not registered
Cardiff transfer not completed fully
Nantes payments in dispute

 

[Oh When the Wolves]

The plane didn’t go down because the transfer wasn’t formally done ffs.

Making a story out of nothing

 

[ombyman]

It may be because I've had a long day at work, but any ideas what this means...

"I don't care to tell the truth - I really don't care because what we've been through is total hell," Willie McKay said.

 

[goldeneyed]

For everyone's sake I hope they can agree a compromise deal with Cardiff paying Nantes say, half the agreed money. Its a unique, tragic situation and it would be terrible if it turned into a prolonged war between the two clubs.

 

[ombyman]

For everyone's sake I hope they can agree a compromise deal with Cardiff paying Nantes say, half the agreed money. Its a unique, tragic situation and it would be terrible if it turned into a prolonged war between the two clubs.

I would have thought Cardiff pay them full and then claim on some kind of insurance. But maybe they didn't get their paperwork sorted and that's why stalling, or the insurance only pays in certain scenarios

 

[Deleted member 3518]

For everyone's sake I hope they can agree a compromise deal with Cardiff paying Nantes say, half the agreed money. Its a unique, tragic situation and it would be terrible if it turned into a prolonged war between the two clubs.

On what basis should Cardiff not pay the full amount, the transfer was completed was it not?

 

[JadeWolf]

Not being funny but what would have happened if Cardiff signed Sala then in his first day of training he suffered a career stopping injury? They’d still have to pay the fee surely, so even though the circumstance is more tragic surely it’s the same here?

 

[goldeneyed]

On what basis should Cardiff not pay the full amount, the transfer was completed was it not?

There seem to be some doubts about that. A bit of compassion all round needed imv but yes strictly speaking Cardiff may have to just cough up once matters around the flight, contract etc are clarified.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Not being funny but what would have happened if Cardiff signed Sala then in his first day of training he suffered a career stopping injury? They’d still have to pay the fee surely, so even though the circumstance is more tragic surely it’s the same here?

Too right can think of many players we should demand a refund on.

 

[xbomber]

Too right can think of many players we should demand a refund on.

Kalac. Blob Taylor. Hassan Kachloul. Ketsbaia, luzhny, corica, Al jaber, Daley for a starter.

Few million there.

 

[1972 i began]

I would have thought Cardiff pay them full and then claim on some kind of insurance. But maybe they didn't get their paperwork sorted and that's why stalling, or the insurance only pays in certain scenarios

I'm sure I've read that the pilot was not qualified to carry passengers.If that's the case surely the insurance company won't pay out.Would they ?

 

[Pagey]

I'm sure I've read that the pilot was not qualified to carry passengers.If that's the case surely the insurance company won't pay out.Would they ?

Doubt it, even with my life insurance, i had to state i do not fly unless commercial airline.

 

[ombyman]

I'm sure I've read that the pilot was not qualified to carry passengers.If that's the case surely the insurance company won't pay out.Would they ?

That's probably why Cardiff are dragging their feet.

 

[ombyman]

It may be because I've had a long day at work, but any ideas what this means...

"I don't care to tell the truth - I really don't care because what we've been through is total hell," Willie McKay said.

I still cant get this quote

 

[JadeWolf]

There was that Martin Samuel article which kinda hinted at this, he said “Cardiff have a £15m bill for a dead striker”. When you put it like that it’s not a surprise it’s all got a bit muddy

 

[Ponty]

That's probably why Cardiff are dragging their feet.

That's got nothing to do with Nantes. They should pay up and not Welsh on the deal!

 

[WasStefan]

That's got nothing to do with Nantes. They should pay up and not Welsh on the deal!

But if 1) Sala didn't actually sign and 2) insurance is null and void due to pilot not having the correct license, surely the person who arranged the flight (McKay) is about to be sued to his eyeballs?

It's sad that Sala is dead but it's a lot of money & isn't as straight fwd as you think. Nantes owner isn't innocent in this considering the circumstances under which the player was sold.

It's a very sad and difficult situation. Surely a compromise with the value going towards finding the pilot and or charity is preferable but i doubt it'll happen.

 

[Deleted member 5276]

Cardiff are being totally classless and clueless. It speaks volumes for their ownership how they are dealing with this. I hope for Nantes sake that we smash them on Saturday. Assisting their return to the Championship would bring great pleasure. Let's hope the real Wolves team turns up to make it so.

 

[Wandsworth Wolf]

Why oh why oh why would you let a new £15m ‘asset’ arrange his own travel? I’d love to know if this is common practice? Perhaps it is. I just always presumed clubs with that kind of spending power would have liaison officers who would insist on making such arrangements - particularly ones who are arriving from a foreign country (which is a pretty common occurrence for most clubs).

No one could have predicted the awful, dreadful events but a bit more common sense could have prevailed. To me the whole thing stinks; McKay’s role as a broker, his son the agent, his other son the Cardiff player and the club’s seemingly laise a faire attitude to duty of care. It’s now descended into an very undignified, very public, face-saving exercise and the only loser is poor Sala and the pilot. It’s all so desperately tragic.

 

[Ponty]

christchurch angling club

But if 1) Sala didn't actually sign and 2) insurance is null and void due to pilot not having the correct license, surely the person who arranged the flight (McKay) is about to be sued to his eyeballs?

It's sad that Sala is dead but it's a lot of money & isn't as straight fwd as you think. Nantes owner isn't innocent in this considering the circumstances under which the player was sold.

It's a very sad and difficult situation. Surely a compromise with the value going towards finding the pilot and or charity is preferable but i doubt it'll happen.

Nothing would make me happier than for Cardiff to sue McKay but that's a side issue. Cardiff signed him and have to pay Nantes.

 

[Wandsworth Wolf]

I desperately hope we as fans show our class on Saturday regarding this situation.

Yes, we’ve got history with Cardiff and yes they have some unanswered questions - but two men died in tragic circumstances and I hope we all treat that with the dignity it deserves.

 

[WonderWolf]

Way too much hot air is being cluelessly spouted over this.

We like to be believe that all events and eventualities can be controlled and responsibility taken for - it simply isn't so.

The fact is that irrespective of the reason for him taking this plane journey the cause of the fateful crash is likely to be pilot error or mechanical/system failure....if the weather situation didn't impact on it all too.

Nobody could predict this outcome, real sad **** happens all the time.

It was just meant to be.

 

[topcat99]

Just a clarification

The pilot was licenced to carry a passenger. Just not for commercial gain.

He also clearly had an instrument rating as he flew an ILS approach the previous day (and commented on it on media) and was cleared into controlled airspace at one point.

Makes no difference on subject of the fee though. I just find it incredible that a 15 million record signing was transported in a single engine aircraft over the sea, at night, in winter.

 

[mcwolf]

McKay being on the news sticking it to Cardiff. Saying he was left in his hotel room with no arrangements made for his return flight so he arranged a flight for him . Then another report coming out from France saying Cardiff had offered to arrange a commercial flight with whatsapp evidence. Some mud being slung by McKay

 

[TeddyWolf]

Just curious, does anyone know if Wolves or FOSUN have a private jet at Halfpenny Green for these situations?

 

[topcat99]

And given the money involved in these transfers, I will point out that you can hire a private jet with commercially licenced crew for 5K to 10K

Peanuts for clubs / agents etc

 

[ShropshireLad]

McKay being on the news sticking it to Cardiff. Saying he was left in his hotel room with no arrangements made for his return flight so he arranged a flight for him . Then another report coming out from France saying Cardiff had offered to arrange a commercial flight with whatsapp evidence. Some mud being slung by McKay

Yeah, I saw the BBC News interviews with him and his son. He made some interesting points but who knows what the truth is?

It was mentioned shortly after the tragedy that Cardiff had arranged a commercial flight but Sala didn't want to take it. Who the culpable one is in that situation becomes unclear. McKay said that he was just trying to lend a helping hand, he also showed compassion towards the pilot. Of course he wouldn't say anything to incriminate himself but he certainly wanted to shift any blame away from himself and his son and in the process did say that it was just an unfortunate accident...which to be fair, sounds rational.

It also looked as if he was going to be paid for making the arrangement as he said that he wasn't searching for any payment because of what happened (or words to that effect). However, even if he did it to earn something out of it that doesn't make him culpable of any wrongdoing. As he said, when you order a taxi you expect everything is in order, you don't check the driver's licence or the MOT of the car etc.

Perhaps it was an accident borne out of an unfortunate set of circumstances. However, both Cardiff and Nantes see money as being the crucial issue and have, imo, lost the plot and have undermined their sentiments of compassion they made towards the lad's family.

 

[Henry Palfrey]

Mckay did what he did on the cheap no doubt to maximise his own gains, in a transaction he had no right to be part of.
Hopefully the odious slug will get what's been coming to him.