Sussex Wolf
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Really poor that the EFL and its clubs weren’t consulted at all, absolutely stinks. The top clubs scream player welfare but are more than happy to send them off around the world playing exhibition matches. I hate what modern football is becoming.
If people’s concern is a financial pay day for lower league teams, how about doing away with replays but seeding the prem teams in a round or two? Plus maybe giving the non prem team the choice of playing home or away? It would guarantee lots of ties that actually quite rarely happen with a straight draw and replays.
Potentially it works in favour of the lower league clubs. If they get to penalties against a Prem team, they have a 50/50 chance of winning.
Good point. But I suppose it balances out as we wouldn’t get Man City away in the 3rd round ourselves.Be dreadful for us. The good thing at the moment is that, like happened this season, Arsenal can draw Liverpool in the third round and one of them goes out. If you start seeding it we’d have even less chance.
I went to Brentford and was absolutely delighted with a draw and the chance of a replay.I’m personally in favour of this on the basis the fans travelling to the game deserve to see the tie concluded on the day.
Yes, and it produced two of the most memorable matches. Chelsea v Leeds and Spurs v Man CityDidn’t the final used to go to a replay years ago? Imagine that now.
Didn’t the final used to go to a replay years ago? Imagine that now.
Reading the full thing, I like the move to scrap the midweek round of the cup, but scrapping replays feels like a real move away from the traditions of the cup. A Premier League team who wins the FA Cup will only play 6 games in the competition, if one or two go to replay along the way it doesn’t feel like a massive hardship.
EFL sides have had to play 46 league games since 1988. Given that the FA explicitly said it's to assist clubs in European competitions, I doubt the other 85+ clubs were of any consideration whatsoever. Within the first 24 hours, club statements have emerged from Tranmere, Peterborough, Grimsby, Accrington, Chester, Stevenage and Farnborough, and they all have the same refrain: there was no consultation, and it is an elitist decision that is flagrantly disrespectful to the rest of the football pyramid and the fans, as well as potentially devastating financially.Clubs in the football league are already playing 46 league games plus cup competitions, it’s a ridiculous schedule. Loads of times over the years Iv read on here “last thing we want is a replay” before an FA Cup tie. Think it’s better that you can now go to the game knowing they’ll be a result on the day.
Don’t get the “it’s not fair on the non league clubs” argument either. How many non league clubs in the last 30 years have played a premier league club and forced a replay? If anything this actually gives lower league sides a better chance of progressing against bigger sides. I think it’s a positive change for the competition.
What, ditch the competition that Wolves won in 74 and 80 and give us even less chance of grabbing a piece of silverware.I think it's time we ditched a cup competition personally....Keep the fa cup and replays but get a 3/4th rounds out the way before Christmas...1 cup competition and a proper winter break in line with the other leagues....
The cups are gone anyway....only the big teams win them by and large.....having to juggle that many competitions isn't suited to small squads like ours and the rest of the similar teams to us... unfortunately football isn't the same as what it was in 74,80 it's all about money nw.....it wasn't just us who won competitions in those times it was loads of clubs.......them days are gone....What, ditch the competition that Wolves won in 74 and 80 and give us even less chance of grabbing a piece of silverware.
We agree on a lot of things matey, but not sure I share your thoughts on this one.
I'm guessing you've got a nice little villa in the southern hemisphere and want to enjoy an extended winter holiday in the sun without missing a game.
P. S. looked out for you at Notts but think you were always a pub ahead of me as I started the circuit in town (King Billy, Partizan etc).
How about the ball that’s drawn out first automatically wins? Would save the expense of having to recruit and pay players, not to mention the cost of actually staging the match…The next step will be to go straight to penalties, get rid of that tiring 90 minutes beforehand…
If it was up to me I would keep the cup replays, but it is a better solution to get rid than have replays for some rounds and not others.
I do think some of the outrage is a bit over the top though, if you're a league 1/2/NL club and you're relying on drawing a big team in the cup to save you from financial ruin then you're gambling massively and your financial problems aren't going to be solved by a one off windfall. For it to make any kind of difference you have got to:
a) Be one of the 20 out of 700+ clubs to make it through to the 3rd round
b) Be lucky enough in the draw to get, lets say one of the PL's top 10, so a roughly 1 in 7 chance
c) Hold that vastly superior team to a draw - highly unlikely
It happens I know, probably to one lucky club per season on average but scrapping replays takes away just one of three high unlikely scenarios. The chances of Forest Green getting to play at Old Trafford in the cup aren't diminished by a great deal.
Sounds like they are now trying to say the EFL were including .Whatever side of the fence you are on with the decision - there is absolutely no excuse for only consulting PL teams. English football is about more than the top 20 teams.
The top teams always bleating on about too many games... the season ends on the 19th May. On 22nd May, Spurs play Newcastle in a friendly... in Australia. But yes, FA Cup replays are the real issue.
Would really love it if the EFL withdrew from the FA Cup for a season.Sounds like they are now trying to say the EFL were including .
All a right old mess.
And now about money ofcourse .
Well someone is telling porkies.
Not great when the powers that be are at each others throats.
I'm not too fussed either way. For all the talk about it being another nail in the coffin for the FA Cup it's still going to be played every season. And one day I hope to see Wolves win it.
Oh don’t get me wrong I’m not suggesting that this has been to help anyone but the big clubs, but the schedule in the football league is absolutely daft and this will help that a little bit.EFL sides have had to play 46 league games since 1988. Given that the FA explicitly said it's to assist clubs in European competitions, I doubt the other 85+ clubs were of any consideration whatsoever. Within the first 24 hours, club statements have emerged from Tranmere, Peterborough, Grimsby, Accrington, Chester, Stevenage and Farnborough, and they all have the same refrain: there was no consultation, and it is an elitist decision that is flagrantly disrespectful to the rest of the football pyramid and the fans, as well as potentially devastating financially.
Replays are what make the FA Cup uniquely the FA Cup, now it's just any old cup competition with little to distinguish it from any other. The “last thing we want is a replay” argument is solipsistic fans being solipsistic out of pure self-interest; it does not mean scrapping replays is best for the competition or for English Football as a whole. As @JR WAS KING says, no Wolves fan was saying that when we battled with 10 men to take Brentford back to Molineux and beat them, to set up a tie with the Baggies. Given how hard we had to run in that game with a man disadvantage, I would not have fancied us in a shootout.
As I and others have already said, there are a host of less radical and more incremental compromises that could have been made instead, like both clubs agreeing ahead of time to go straight to penalties. If the incoming regulator wants to get into peoples' good graces right away, they can undo this self-serving farce as a priority.
On the BBC news just now the FA says the EFL were consulted and the EFL are saying they were not? Someone is lying.Really poor that the EFL and its clubs weren’t consulted at all, absolutely stinks. The top clubs scream player welfare but are more than happy to send them off around the world playing exhibition matches. I hate what modern football is becoming.
For once, zero disagreement.night time david vs goliath replays at the likes of Chasetown are the essence of the ‘magic of the FA Cup’.
The reason the Premier League is so successful (commercially) is historical - it capitalises (literally) on the football heritage and traditions of this country, of which the ‘magic of the FA cup’ is one of the biggest influences.
With VAR, no cup replays, bournmouth playing FC Qarabag at 9.00am on Monday morning, ticket prices heading for £100 per game and worst of all the incessant talking about Big 6 on TV and referring to everyone else as if they are cannon fodder….
I’m going to start going to Kidderminster from next year.
One of Tranmere's most memorable ever games is being 3-0 down at half time in an FA Cup replay to top flight Southampton, which they then won 4-3. I think you are being short sighted, and I normally agree with most of your posts.Oh don’t get me wrong I’m not suggesting that this has been to help anyone but the big clubs, but the schedule in the football league is absolutely daft and this will help that a little bit.
I’d also agree that it’s **** that the rest of the pyramid wasn’t consulted.
However replays aren’t unique to the FA cup. The league cup had them for about 30 years, until they got rid of them.
Let’s not pretend the smaller clubs are bothered about history or tradition. They’re just as interested in money as everyone else. Tranmere mention “life long memories for supporters” load of nonsense. They then talk about “a hugely important source of income” which is actually what the gripe is really about (although they havnt had a replay in 4 years).
To be honest, the clubs further down shouldn’t be budgeting on a cup run anyway so it’s daft to say this decision could be “financially devastating”. If your club needs an fa cup replay to survive then it’s not being run very well.
Accept I’m in the minority on here but I’m honestly pleased with this. Much prefer knowing I’m going to see a result on the day.
If Tranmere get Everton in the cup next season, they’ll get a big, bonus, pay day. If they manage to hang on for a draw then they’ll get a penalty shootout to knock them out. If they managed it, that would be life long memories for their fans, much better for the fans, in my opinion, than a replay at Goodison that they lose 4-0.
Yep, the whole thing stinks.On the BBC news just now the FA says the EFL were consulted and the EFL are saying they were not? Someone is lying.
Hmm, whose claim to believe - the EFL's, independently corroborated by statements made by several football league clubs, or the FA in full damage control mode?On the BBC news just now the FA says the EFL were consulted and the EFL are saying they were not? Someone is lying.
No boycotts or petitions will work. Capital is the deciding factor, and sentiment will be ignored as it always is sadly.Peterborough United have issued a statement criticising the decision, and I think Grimsby Town have.
If fans boycotted FA cup games, then I wager there would be a rethink.
Hmm, whose claim to believe - the EFL's, independently corroborated by statements made by several football league clubs, or the FA in full damage control mode?
Why are the FA being held at gunpoint by the "big six"? Have they lost all memory of the attempted European Super League 3 years ago to this month? Why are they pandering to them? All they got was a slap on the wrist and a fine that was pocket change to all of them.