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wolfgar

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Yeah I had a bit of “whataboutery” from my Albion pals last night. For me it’s all cause and effect. Had they not sold on their tickets to Wolves fans, or the club police the selling of tickets properly then that doesn’t happen in the ground.
Gave much the same response tbh mate. I'd be absolutely fuming if a wolves fan sold tickets in the home end to some of their lot at Molineux. Personally I think those Wolves sitting in the home end for this game aren't the brightest bulbs, but Albion fans physically attacking them and responding in the way they did is completely out of order and on them.
 
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Half the problem is identifying those involved that conceal their identify with a hood up and scarf around their face. Anyone that went across the edge of the pitch from the home end to the side was doing so for one reason only and should receive some sort of punishment.
They will soon get ya....the cameras can follow your every move.....you won't always have your hood up or scarf over your face....if you have done something serious they will follow your movements......there will be a few faces pop up in the papers in a month or so appealing to identify some....

If you have left the one stand and gone to the another is a more serious charge as they will be intent to commit an offence....it's a lot more serious I suggest , jail time probably that just being unlucky and being a couple of seats in front of something happening......it's totally different I reckon....
 

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Yeah I had a bit of “whataboutery” from my Albion pals last night. For me it’s all cause and effect. Had they not sold on their tickets to Wolves fans, or the club police the selling of tickets properly then that doesn’t happen in the ground.
I think there was some rumour about 200 wolves fans being in their end looking for trouble. All the videos I can find show one.
 

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Gave much the same response tbh mate. I'd be absolutely fuming if a wolves fan sold them tickets in the home end to some of their lot at Molineux. Personally I think those Wolves sitting in the home end for this game aren't the brightest bulbs, but Albion fans physically attacking them and responding in the way they did is completely out of order and on them.
There’s several things they could have done to guarantee no away fans in the wrong stand but they chose not to so it’s on them. I’m sure that’s how the FA will see it.

I’ve sat in the home end against both Albion and Villa in my youth when you think you’re bulletproof. I wouldn’t do it now, that’s a fact! You have to be the most disciplined bloke in the world to not have the tiniest of reactions if we score and even that would be spotted. Worse part is (and I’ve done it) you’ve got to react somehow if Wolves concede, think I managed a polite clap lol
 

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I think there was some rumour about 200 wolves fans being in their end looking for trouble. All the videos I can find show one.
There probably was 200 wolves dotted around, I know to a good handful but the idea 200 were looking for trouble is garbage. Even the most lunatic hooligans won’t fancy their chances being so spread out. It all comes down to being in the home end and unfortunately reacting when we scored.
 

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They will soon get ya....the cameras can follow your every move.....you won't always have your hood up or scarf over your face....if you have done something serious they will follow your movements......there will be a few faces pop up in the papers in a month or so appealing to identify some....

If you have left the one stand and gone to the another is a more serious charge as they will be intent to commit an offence....it's a lot more serious I suggest , jail time probably that just being unlucky and being a couple of seats in front of something happening......it's totally different I reckon....
Yep good point re back tracking movements. Mandatory attendance at home games for a whole season should be a suitable punishment !!!
 

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There’s several things they could have done to guarantee no away fans in the wrong stand but they chose not to so it’s on them. I’m sure that’s how the FA will see it.

I’ve sat in the home end against both Albion and Villa in my youth when you think you’re bulletproof. I wouldn’t do it now, that’s a fact! You have to be the most disciplined bloke in the world to not have the tiniest of reactions if we score and even that would be spotted. Worse part is (and I’ve done it) you’ve got to react somehow if Wolves concede, think I managed a polite clap lol
I went in the Chelsea and Arsenal home ends last season and saw us concede 8 without scoring lol. I was worried about getting outed more out of embarrassment than the threat of violence
 

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There probably was 200 wolves dotted around, I know to a good handful but the idea 200 were looking for trouble is garbage. Even the most lunatic hooligans won’t fancy their chances being so spread out. It all comes down to being in the home end and unfortunately reacting when we scored.
I got offered tickets could of easily been me didn’t bother many Wolves fans love to see us play them. Ultimately albion fans are to blame….. Selling for profit is against the fa laws even reselling ticket is against the law
 

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I got offered tickets could have easily been me didn’t bother many Wolves fans love to see us play them. Ultimately albion fans are to blame….. Selling for profit is against the fa laws
I was offered tickets in the home end by two mates (selling them at face value) but I’d already got one in our end. There’s no way I’d have taken it up though. I was offered a corporate ticket via work with a free bar, even that wouldn’t have tempted me either.
 

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Judge Judy I am not, but this boils down to fans of the Scum attacking Wolves fans, stewards and police. No more no less.
Attacking emergency workers, such as the police is a very serious matter, and should be dealt with accordingly. Do I recall that the sentence for attacking emergency workers has been increased? Or is it still under review?
Hopefully, there will be a fair few of the inbreds expecting a knock on the door of their hovel and they will be suffering anxiety as a result.
 

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I love the official reaction to the game from our club. Basically, they are focusing totally on the football and not the Albion disorder. GON immediately defended the Wolves fans and wanted to talk about the football and the performance, all the official club podcasts hardly mention the Albion disorder and the official club highlights with Micky Burrows completely edit out the Albion disorder without even mentioning it. I've noticed that Albion have commented to the media about it but we have said nothing. I think they are right, they don't want it to overshadow the result and they know it is all on Albion. Heard nothing but praise for our fans from the club since the game. Really glad we are not playing into the 'both sides at fault' narrative.
Excellent point. The club is positioning itself as well above all of this.
Outplayed them on the pitch and at a club P.R. level.
 

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Judge Judy I am not, but this boils down to fans of the Scum attacking Wolves fans, stewards and police. No more no less.
Attacking emergency workers, such as the police is a very serious matter, and should be dealt with accordingly. Do I recall that the sentence for attacking emergency workers has been increased? Or is it still under review?
Hopefully, there will be a fair few of the inbreds expecting a knock on the door of their hovel and they will be suffering anxiety as a result.
Re your second para it has indeed.

 

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I’m not convinced that the Mail really knows anything about the bloodied fan.

Linked below is a vlog from an Albion fan in the corner near the Wolves fans, and it provides some footage of the Albion fans kicking off and fighting with the police. It looks like right at the start of that, a Wolves fan came over to taunt the Albion fans from the touchline, but he was quickly escorted away even before the police arrived and the fighting began. The second vlog is from further along that stand, but does show the two idiot Albion fans who came into the middle of the pitch, and around 21 mins, the bloodied fan being taken away past the Wolves fans. The vlogs also show a rain of missiles from the Albion fans down onto the police in front of them.

The tweet below the vlogs shows the Wolves fans view of the bloodied fan being escorted away, and since he’s giving it large towards the Wolves fans, I can’t see him being one of ours. Loads of other tweets from the Wolves end show a lot of fighting between the Albion fans and the police.



Wow, where do you start?
Is he Ross Kemp's little brother? "and then it kicked off. Big time."
Not many braincells in that stand, and the ginger muppet is a breed apart.
 
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Who was the lad in the Albion end? Doing it for the Instagram follows or just a bit of a nutter?
 

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I've watched quite a bit of footage both from Wolves and Albion perspective, and Albion don't come away from this looking very good at all, from the barely coherent swearing grunts to launching themselves and throwing missiles at the police and trying to breach the field of play.

I've spent the morning watching a handful of the fan videos posted on YouTube and can concur. A few things I noticed:

  • The bloodied fella kicks out at the Wolves fans as he's being escorted away so I don't think there is more need to debate his allegiances.
  • I think many of the **** fans who ran onto the pitch thought maybe there was going to be a bigger pitch invasion in an attempt to have the match abandoned without an clear idea of what kind of actions were taking place on the opposite side of the pitch. Most of them seemed to be making a big joke of it
  • You can clearly hear many **** fans say things like "Gew on, git at em!" so there was little shame from their side
  • And finally "It was the Wolves that started it in the home end, not our fault"
 
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To be fair I've got no sympathy for him having seen that, looks like an idiot after trying to show how clever he is, when he's actually showing how stupid he is. Yes nobody should be hitting him, but what an idiot.

On the other hand you can see from that there's just one guy in the Albion corner and hundreds coming for him. Looks very much like the bloke who came on the pitch walks calmly up through the stand and then has a proper go at him. So he's obviously a thug and not some deranged prat (or maybe both)

Media reporting still completely failing to acknowledge where the blame lies.
 

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I think there was some rumour about 200 wolves fans being in their end looking for trouble. All the videos I can find show one.

I can see a couple, but not in same area.

Anyway, 99% of the trouble was their lot fighting police and stewards.

I wonder if many will turn up to the next home game. Risk of getting identified.
 
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To be fair I've got no sympathy for him having seen that, looks like an idiot after trying to show how clever he is, when he's actually showing how stupid he is. Yes nobody should be hitting him, but what an idiot.

On the other hand you can see from that there's just one guy in the Albion corner and hundreds coming for him. Looks very much like the bloke who came on the pitch walks calmly up through the stand and then has a proper go at him. So he's obviously a thug and not some deranged prat (or maybe both)

Media reporting still completely failing to acknowledge where the blame lies.

He's obviously thick as pig **** - if you're going to go in the wrong end you'd think he'd have the sense to blend in. Instead he wears a bright white jacket and is easily identifiable in every video
 

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Media reporting still completely failing to acknowledge where the blame lies.
Nor have they any desire to. As far as the London-based MSM are concerned, it's just 30,000 ignorant Chavs having a go at each other --even if they tried viewing any of the crowd videos, I bet they wouldn't understand anything going on in them. So don't expect any proper investigation and justice from the FA or the press. We'll all be tarred with the same brush.
 

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Nor have they any desire to. As far as the London-based MSM are concerned, it's just 30,000 ignorant Chavs having a go at each other --even if they tried viewing any of the crowd videos, I bet they wouldn't understand anything going on in them. So don't expect any proper investigation and justice from the FA or the press. We'll all be tarred with the same brush.
Hopefully the WMP reports will largely exonerate Wolves. All the trouble in the corner to the right of the Smethwick End was totally them and apart from the Wolves fan or fans in the corner of the Halfords lane Stand being the catalyst following the Cunha goal, everything that followed was them and their woeful stewards.
 

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The video does show one copper getting knocked over early in the melee, maybe that then made the others pile in over zealously.
Also, when the cameras first went to it, you could see 3 or 4 young lads making a sharp exit from thensesting area top left of the screen, assume they were wolves fans who thought 'f this'.
I noticed that on tv as well seems like they were getting punched as they left.
 

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Nor have they any desire to. As far as the London-based MSM are concerned, it's just 30,000 ignorant Chavs having a go at each other --even if they tried viewing any of the crowd videos, I bet they wouldn't understand anything going on in them. So don't expect any proper investigation and justice from the FA or the press. We'll all be tarred with the same brush.

I don't think any of the local media have done better. They seem to be ignoring where the real trouble came from in the East Stand and focusing on the corner. Everything I've seen says there's one Wolves fan they've found in there and dozens on Albion fans came out of the Brummie Rd to try to get to him. OK the Wolves fan shouldn't be there, but he's doing nothing to provoke anyone or being unhelpful even, they just can't get him out because the exit is at the bottom. The Albion fans are throwing things up into the stand, hence the players' understandable concern for their families.

In our end (where I can write more from direct experience) I couldn't see anything from our fans. Sometimes it's hard to see in the stand you're in, but I was over that side. Huge fights between the police and their fans, nothing from ours.

Guess time will tell on the fans, really struggling with how any Wolves fan in the ground got arrested though. As ever watching the media cover something you've experienced is an eye opener.
 

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He's obviously thick as pig **** - if you're going to go in the wrong end you'd think he'd have the sense to blend in. Instead he wears a bright white jacket and is easily identifiable in every video
Yes, I mean maybe I'm overthinking it, but maybe he deliberately wore something obvious to stick out in any coverage?
 

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To be fair, had it been at the Molineux and a couple of Albion fans had made themselves known in the South Bank they'd have got the same treatment.

In the Billy Wright they'd probably have been offered a share of someones blanket and flask of tea.
 

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I think there was some rumour about 200 wolves fans being in their end looking for trouble. All the videos I can find show one.
To be fair, seen 1 fan & a group of 2/3 in different videos. Bound to be more but it centred around these ones.
 

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I’d risk it at places like that, I definitely wouldn’t for a local rivals.
Some seasons ago I sat with the Millwall fans for a midweek Wolves match. I left unscathed but they were incredible. Immediately in front of me was a tv cameraman operating the pitch side camera. He was picked on for the whole match by the Millwall fans much of it being accusations around being a paedophile or gay, these fans were middle aged who were only feet away from him. I also sat with West Ham fans in their new home and they were almost as bad, Millwall Lite.
 

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Maybe partly to do with how funny they were?

If someone gets aggressive while in fancy dress, it's rarely worrying or confrontational, but mainly hilarious.
Which is exactly why killer clowns get away with murder. Had Gacy been interviewed by detectives whilst dressed in his favourite costume, he'd have got off with a misdemeanor.
 

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To be fair, had it been at the Molineux and a couple of Albion fans had made themselves known in the South Bank they'd have got the same treatment.

In the Billy Wright they'd probably have been offered a share of someones blanket and flask of tea.
Perpetuating the ageist myth again. No flasks, no blankets round where I sit. Lot of blokes in their 30s
 

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To be fair, had it been at the Molineux and a couple of Albion fans had made themselves known in the South Bank they'd have got the same treatment.

In the Billy Wright they'd probably have been offered a share of someones blanket and flask of tea.
Re your first para there certainly wouldn't have been fans going unchecked from the North Bank or Steve Bull to join in though or indeed running fights in the former.
 

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I thought they were pretty reasonable to be fair. They mentioned a Wolves fan in the A****n end, but didn't criticise the club or Wolves fans in general. They then went on to debate how to try and stop away fans getting tickets in home ends.

Whilst White can be a muppet, how is that being a plonker on this occasion?
Yea I agree with this. I tuned in to annoy myself and shout at the radio but they seemed pretty reasonable about it really. I was fully expecting Jim White to try being the Social Justice Warrior of the people like he seems to think he is but he didn't really bother.
 
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