The happy days are here again, hopefully no more repeated arguments, transfer thread

[JayStringer]

So how do we fare with ffp. Anyone know the figures? Based on the fact that our transfer strategy was based on selling Neves for big money, which hasn’t happened, surely we need to sell some more before we can bring in anymore?
Great thread by Swiss Ramble about Newcastle and how they can’t spend big compared to what fans were expecting. Now based on the fact we we working right on the edge of being within ffp limits a few years ago, surely we will struggle?

Basically, ignoring amortization and accounting tricks, I believe Wolves had the leeway to spend around 70-80 million (if they chose to) before needing to sell this window. Guedes will bring that spending close to 50 (depending on the final figure.) Still room to get another 20-30 million player in and push ffp to the limit. But I suspect they’ll want to be prudent and move some players out first. It’ll be interesting to see the final terms of the Coady deal and what happens with MGW. Even just selling Coady and getting 7-10 million for Traore could make a huge difference.

 

[Joshwolf218]

I would take 40 mill for Morgan, we'd be crazy not to.

Think if they say 30-35 cash and then achievable add ons like them staying up or him making X amount of appearances it's fine

But I bet they were like qualify for champions league, Win the premier league

 

[Contrarian]

If I was signing for a premier League team and that showed up for me at the airport I'd be staying at home. That's not a jet is it.

It's a stealth jet. Agents have noticed fans (and rival agents) tracking private jets so this is the new technology to fly under the radar.

 

[Chris H]

We can spend plenty under UEFA FFP, the £50M loss from Championship (which incidentally people don't seem to mention when maligning the big clubs outspending everyone as we did in the Champ) was the root cause and that is no issue whatsoever. UEFA gave big grace period for covid of 2 seasons, and we are profitable in every one.

FFP does not limit our spending

It doesn’t no, I agree. I was saying why we can’t run at losses or £35m per year in order to spend and push for Europe even if Fosun wanted to bankroll it, which they don’t.

FFP isn’t a limiting factor, cashflow likely is.

Saying that though FFP may well become a factor again with UEFA’s new version should we ever qualify for Europe for it to be a concern of ours.

 

[Stafford]

If we get Nico and Andre Silva, there will be no more viable options left in the Mendes Stable!

 

[Cousins78]

Which are?

No idea but Ramos being touted on other forum

 

[CodsallWolf]

Saw the wedding present in the 80s .

Seen them loads of times and they’re still going - they did a 30 year anniversary tour of the George Best album a couple of years ago - magnificent stuff. I think I’ve still got bruises from the mosh pit at their Subterania gig in 1989 or 1990.

 

[wolfgar]

If we get Nico and Andre Silva, there will be no more viable options left in the Mendes Stable!

Announce Talisca (Finally!!!)

 

[jonesy]

I get the feeling there’s a few aces in the hole we aren’t aware of yet. Would be great to get 3 in before the weekend

 

[wolfgar]

If we get Guedes, Gonzalez and Ramos I might, just might say a few nice things about Shi and Sellars

 

[jonesy]

If we get Guedes, Gonzalez and Ramos I might, just might say a few nice things about Shi and Sellars

I wouldn’t go that far

 

[wolfgar]

I wouldn’t go that far

I couldn't totally commit to it

 

[JamesWolves]

If we get Guedes, Gonzalez and Ramos I might, just might say a few nice things about Shi and Sellars

I might join you on that one, until then

Pair of ****s

 

[Chris H]

All of our big losses have now dropped off the accounting period.

If we qualified for the 2023/2024 UEFA Competitions the 3 year period would cover 2022/2023, 2021/2022, 2020/2021 - The latter of which was hampered by a Pandemic.

There's nothing to worry about from an FFP standpoint.

Not currently, but once the new version of UEFA’s FFP comes in it could limit us should we qualify.

Obviously if we don’t qualify it isn’t an issue so you could break it, but if you did in order to qualify you’d then be slapped back down by it.

Talking more generally rather than specifically about Wolves I reckon most clubs outside of the big 6 (and some within it) will really struggle to limbo under the 70% wages/transfer/agent fees to income ratio once it’s in place especially clubs who have less income in the first place so are more severely impacted by that ratio.

PL rules won’t be an issue for anyone but they may well come unstuck as soon as they qualify for Europe which may hamstring them and stop them getting there again.

Basically you may end up with a situation where you can spend for a push fee Europe but then be penalised if you qualify, or stick within their parameters which reduces your chances of qualifying anyway.

 

[WickedWolfie]

Real Madrid have been in the same place previously. The deal involving the City of Madrid buying their training ground for a massively inflated fee sticks in my mind... Dodgy as ****.....

Real Madrid’s Champions League Was Paid For By The Spanish Government – The Versed

www.theversed.com

It actually got even worse - apologies for the source but others were behind pay firewalls...

Spanish government found guilty of providing state aid to Real Madrid, Barcelona and five other clubs

SPAIN’S government has been found guilty of illegally funding seven football clubs – including Real Madrid and Barcelona. The European commission has ruled Spain provided state-funding …

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[Skrilla]

I have concerns about Gonzalez, not necessarily as a player, but the fact he's coming from Barcelona. Rarely do they ever sell young players without a buyback clause, so *if* he does well here, it's very likely they'd buy him back in a couple of years for a fee that's usually very generous for them. Secondly, is a player who's been heralded coming out of La Masia going to have an unhealthy ego? He clearly wants to stay and make it at Barca, he's been there since he was 10. It's always my concern when you target players from bigger clubs, are they going to be motivated to perform here.

If it's just a straight loan with no buy option, are we happy spending a year developing a player for another club? It puts us back at square one in a year's time, and if Neves and Moutinho were to leave next summer as well, we'd basically be losing our entire midfield in one summer.

 

[thommo1984]

Have there been any fresh links to Ramos or is it just wishful thinking? Can't see how we have a chance with him

 

[Derbywolf85]

If we get Guedes, Gonzalez and Ramos I might, just might say a few nice things about Shi and Sellars

I wouldn't say anything nice to Sellars - It'll be Jeff and Jorge who sort those three.

Jeff might get a nod of acknowledgement from me...

 

[Corporate Wolf]

If we get Guedes, Gonzalez and Ramos I might, just might say a few nice things about Shi and Sellars

Maybe so... but wait until you see the 3 they will offload before making those nice comments!

 

[Superted]

If I was signing for a premier League team and that showed up for me at the airport I'd be staying at home. That's not a jet is it.

Definitely a jet.

A small jet, but definitely a jet.

 

[Hoganstolemywife]

Have there been any fresh links to Ramos or is it just wishful thinking? Can't see how we have a chance with him

I've heard he's a target and a far more reliable source than me over on the Wolves forum intimated he's a big target.

Personally, I can't see it, but I couldn't see Guedes in Coady out.

 

[AndyWolves]

I believe at one point we were interested in Rayan Cherki, I wonder if we still are.

He plays for Lyon btw.

 

[WickedWolfie]

I believe at one point we were interested in Rayan Cherki, I wonder if we still are.

He plays for Lyon btw.

Having partially cornered the world supply of players called Ruben we are now after the Rayans huh.... Lol

 

[wolfslair]

Anything to all these “Neto to Arsenal” articles that are suddenly popping up now that we look to be closing on Guedes?

From what I have been told, they like him, they have asked in the past but are concerned about his knee injury so want to see if he can get back to fitness and come in and have a go to sign next summer once Pepe is off the books too.

 

[NothingButNeto]

Anyone hear anything about Guedes medical today?

 

[Has_Talisca_Signed]

Announce Talisca (Finally!!!)

Please please please please!

 

[SuperGran]

Anyone hear anything about Guedes medical today?

Probably be later this afternoon. Medical takes most of the day

 

[OsloWolf]

Would be funny if we got Nico and sent him to Grasshoppers

 

[Cousins78]

I believe at one point we were interested in Rayan Cherki, I wonder if we still are.

He plays for Lyon btw.

Doesn't score much but such a talented player

 

[Madmalc]

Is this why we pulled the trigger on Guedes? The offer had come in 40million, we’ve “accepted” and then gone straight ahead and given Valencia what they wanted for Guedes?

Nothing to do with MGW, we're selling Neto

 

[Dan G WWFC]

Nothing to do with MGW, we're selling Neto

.says who?

 

[Cousins78]

Nothing to do with MGW, we're selling Neto

No chance

 

[Supadavewolf]

Nothing to do with MGW, we're selling Neto

Evidence?

 

[WickedWolfie]

Nothing to do with MGW, we're selling Neto

I said WUM yesterday. I'm doubling down on that today. Don't catch your six fingers in the door....

 

[Supadavewolf]

I said WUM yesterday.

Good, it'll save the rest of us saying it today.

 

[Hoganstolemywife]

If we get Guedes, Gonzalez and Ramos I might, just might say a few nice things about Shi and Sellars

Interestingly (and completely without evidence), I suspect our apparent resumption of business as usual with Mr Mendes could spell bad news for our de facto Director of Football.

As far as I can glean, we've very consciously been shopping elsewhere since the Silva and Semedo deals. We've been trying to establish a scouting foothold in South America (or give Matt Hobbs a lovely jolly in Argentina), pick up youth players from Man City and pick up young lads from Estoril. No one from the Mendes A-list.

Now, all of a sudden, we are about to sign Guedes and possibly Nico Fernandez - players who would have been available for Wolves to sign if I held the position of Director of Football. Presumably (and this is a big presumption) because we failed to get deals over the line for non Mendes players this summer. (It's less of a presumption for last summer. We clearly failed there).

I don't think this will have gone unnoticed by our Fosun overlords. Why pay a director of football big money and then go over his head to get transfers done?

Food for thought/conspiracy

 

[Madmalc]

How do you think we are going to line up assuming Guedes comes in and everyone is fit (assuming Coady leaves)

Sa
Semedo, Collins, Kilman, RAN
Neves, Moutinho
MGW
Neto, Guedes, Adama

Or

Sa
Semedo, Collins, Kilman, RAN
Neves, Moutinho
Podence
Neto, Guedes, MGW

Or

Sa
Semedo, Collins, Kilman, RAN
Neves, Moutinho, Donk
Neto, Jiminez, Guedes

It starts to feel a whole lot better already and I suspect we may see a couple of other surprises.

Latest is Neto is being sold Guedes is his replacement.

 

[Kebab Warrior]

Source?

 

[Cousins78]

Latest is Neto is being sold Guedes is his replacement.

You quoting the express, they are worse than the sun

 

[Dan G WWFC]

Latest is Neto is being sold Guedes is his replacement.

You listening to that idiot arsenal fan on Twitter?