Project Big Picture

[rincewind]

That’s something I think could be a positive if the wider redistribution of money stacks up to narrow the gap.

The Championship is a financial cess pit thanks to clubs trying to compete with parachute payments.

It won't matter how much money goes into the Championship. The clubs will still spend far more than they receive and be in financial trouble.

 

[Newbridge Wolf]

It won't matter how much money goes into the Championship. The clubs will still spend far more than they receive and be in financial trouble.

More than likely. That’s something that needs building into the changes without killing competition like FFP does. The point about access to accounts is interesting.

 

[Oh When the Wolves]

What is the ‘special status’

 

[Oh When the Wolves]

What power do the top 6 get ?

 

[rincewind]

I also think that once the new voting system is in place it won't be too long before European participation is heavily biased by past participation, along the lines of the Juventus proposal in Italy.
Can't have the likes of Wolves and Leicester taking say Arsenals place.

 

[Streathamwolf]

The proposal to give greater rights to any proportion of the PL more than the remainder is a disgrace. The rest i could probably live with.

I agree but "the rest" is merely window dressing that can be changed if the second bullet point is in place. It is a power grab and unacceptable.

 

[WickedWolfie]

Liverpool and Man Utd lead reform plans

Liverpool and Manchester United are leading radical proposals for reform of English football that include an 18-team Premier League.

www.bbc.co.uk

Help the EFL my ass. All about securing their own dominance.

 

[Streathamwolf]

What power do the top 6 get ?

Reading the second point - absolute power. They can veto other club's ownership, pick the FA CEO etc.

 

[Oh When the Wolves]

More than likely. That’s something that needs building into the changes without killing competition like FFP does. The point about access to accounts is interesting.

If championship teams are limited on spending then the big 6 and rest of prem need to sign up to a wage cap .

disgusting seeing arsenal sign the players they have for the wages they have then plead that they need money from ppv tv

The game is dead

 

[northnorfolkwolf]

I suspect what they mean is the clubs who have spent the longest time in the Premier League since it was formed.
I can’t imagine them meaning the top division.

Football only started in 1992! Our glorious history is erased from the records and is no longer any part of this new order.

 

[WickedWolfie]

Why drop down to 18 teams as opposed to 20? Just to have 4 fewer games?

I like the idea of a veto on new ownership. Indirectly the Saudis we’re trying to buy Newcastle .......this veto wouldn’t allow that to happen, which, imo, is a good thing.

Yeah, 18 teams and 9 have special voting rights... Hmmmm....

 

[WickedWolfie]

Wonder if it's another step towards having the PL U23 teams in the football league?

Almost certainly

 

[Newbridge Wolf]

If championship teams are limited on spending then the big 6 and rest of prem need to sign up to a wage cap .

disgusting seeing arsenal sign the players they have for the wages they have then plead that they need money from ppv tv

The game is dead

Arsenal have been particularly nauseous since Covid started, far from the reputation they used to have.

All of football’s problems start in the boardroom imo.

 

[Mrs E]

It is a power grab and unacceptable.

By two USA owned clubs...

 

[WickedWolfie]

Yeah, 18 teams and 9 have special voting rights... Hmmmm....

Oh, and the tighter UEFA rules on FFP are aimed at stopping any new Wolves or Leicester too....

 

[Pagey]

It's all about preserving their dominance. Reserving the right to Veto a clubs owners?

Does anybody on here think they'd accept Fosun/wolves, with their cash, ambition and links to Gestifute?

 

[Incognito]

It's just not football anymore and there's nothing we can do about it, apart from vote with our feet, pockets, etc. and turn our back on the game. Easier said than done. Otherwise, the power grab is inevitable, if not this time, then insiduously and subtly over the next few years. Wouldn't it be good if the "poor relations" of the Premier League break away to rejoin the EFL, who the sever all links to the PL and leave the "big boys" to it. I wouldn't miss playing Liverpool or United. **** 'em.

 

[Werewolf of Wombourne]

Why drop down to 18 teams as opposed to 20? Just to have 4 fewer games?

I like the idea of a veto on new ownership. Indirectly the Saudis we’re trying to buy Newcastle .......this veto wouldn’t allow that to happen, which, imo, is a good thing.

4 fewer games against the likes of Palace and Burnley, more time for money grabbing friendlies in the US etc

 

[Wall heath Wanderer]

say this goes through, and the big 6 teams then have the power to make changes, such as reversing most of the other proposals in this plan, voting to take a higher percentage of TV money etc, what would be in place to stop them doing as they see fit, they have the deciding votes unless i missed any safe guards against their claim to the throne.

 

[Ewok vs Wolf]

Laughable
Time to find another sport soon.

 

[OLDGOLD]

An undemocratic dictatorship. The 6 have all the power and use it to protect their status as the big 6. Basically invented, to stop other clubs becoming better and more powerful than them.

Absolutely correct

 

[shaygriff]

I saw this part on BBC:
"It is also planned that, as well as the 'big six', ever-present league member Everton, West Ham United and Southampton - ninth and 11th respectively in the list of clubs who have featured in the most Premier League seasons - would be granted special status.

If six of those nine clubs vote in favour of a proposal, it would be enough to get it passed.

There is no mention of Aston Villa and Newcastle United, both of whom have featured in more Premier League campaigns than Manchester City."

 

[LetTheBullLoose]

Not Villa, would be Southampton instead

Think it would be the top 6 + Everton, West Ham and Southampton as it stands.

But haven’t Villa only been relegated once since 92? So will have had more seasons than City, West Ham and Southampton?

 

[wolveslegend]

getting rid of the league Cup, 18 teams, all this adds up to less domestic games which then opens up a European "super" league which will be financially massive for the "top six" . it will be a cartel and teams like us will just be a side show .

 

[Deleted member 8455jwf]

It's consecutive for some reason. Basically they want another London team in.

But haven’t Villa only been relegated once since 92? So will have had more seasons than City, West Ham and Southampton?

 

[WW1963]

I suspect what they mean is the clubs who have spent the longest time in the Premier League since it was formed.
I can’t imagine them meaning the top division.

Villa fans will be delighted.

 

[jeb01]

Like most others I would agree many of the proposals, esp those that help the lower leagues, but as it stands the current big six become the big nine for voting on further changes, which is controversial to say the least.
The current voting system in the EPL requires 14 clubs to agree any proposal for change, so the nine who would clearly say yes, need to persuade 5 others to go along.
Not impossible, as I suspect that this particular controversial item might be open to some horse trading.
Would we feel any different about the proposals if Wolves were one of the inclusive group who could dictate the future of the EPL? I suspect the answer is yes.

 

[goldeneyed]

The top six must NOT be allowed to dominate. Th other 14 need to take a really hard unified line on this. It is turning the Premier League into a cartel. If they are allowed to take charge it is pretty much the end of football as far as I am concerned. We must have a league set up where Man U or whoever can get relegated and where any club has a fair chance to win the league.

 

[waggys left foot]

Don't Prem rule changes need 14 votes .?

Key for the EFL will be to retain automatic promotion .

I suspect we will vote for it if they get rid of special status -whatever that is.

 

[WW1963]

The top six must NOT be allowed to dominate. Th other 14 need to take a really hard unified line on this. It is turning the Premier League into a cartel. If they are allowed to take charge it is pretty much the end of football as far as I am concerned. We must have a league set up where Man U or whoever can get relegated and where any club has a fair chance to win the league.

The other 14 will have to form an elite group within the Football League. The top 6 will go into a World League. This has been on the cards since the inception of the Champions League, Premier League and FFP.

A boiling frog.

 

[Ponty]

I have a message for the Sky Six. **** off, and when you get there **** off again!

 

[The_Blade]

No doubt this plan will have been hatched years ago. The PL know that EFL clubs are desperate for a lifeline and they have the perfect link to seal the deal - Rick Parry.

Big hitters in business have changed this game and will continue to do so.

 

[Pagey]

Haven't the Premier league distanced themselves and called ou the efl chief Rick Parry?

 

[waggys left foot]

It does need 14 votes -can't see it going thru in its current form-the Prem works because the 20 all have a vote and an equal share of most of the tv money.

 

[Miniwolf]

Premier league statement

Premier League statement - 11 October 2020

League urges football's stakeholders to work together for the good of the game

www.premierleague.com

 

[John de Wolf's hairdryer]

Whilst I'd happily see the EPL reduced to 18 teams (let's be honest, the teams that skulk at the bottom of the league and finish 16th through 20th add virtually nothing to the spectacle of the Premier League) and I'd be prepared to see the League Cup put out of our misery, the rest of this proposal is a massive American (Liverpool, Man U, Arsenal) powergrab to really tighten the already considerable power of the cartel (the Sky Six) to the point that they call absolutely all the shots, monopolise all the glory that the game affords and reduce the non-Sky Six to pale, lifeless bit-part actors of no importance or significance.

So, it's a big NO from me. These proposals would kill the game as a genuinely competitive spectacle stone dead; it would cease to be football as we ever knew it. These proposals MUST be resisted and rejected.

 

[Tring Wolf]

I’d hate to see the League Cup go. For supporters of some clubs, it represents the only real chance they have of seeing their sides play against some of the top Premier League’s best (well, their best reserves anyway).

Of course, if the Big Six really wanted to reduce the number of games, maybe they could work with UEFA to make the Champions League a straight knock-out tournament. Or even just for the Champions of each country...

 

[Matt]

It’s essentially bribery. I ****ing hate these so called “big six”. Self entitled pricks. **** off to a European super league.

 

[Skrilla]

Tl;dr - Top six trying to bribe the EFL in order to pass a 'project' which will give the top six clubs complete decision-making power and further increase the financial gap between themselves and the other 14 (well, 12) clubs in the Premier League by reducing the amount of TV money they get, which doesn't effect them since the majority of their revenue comes from other commercial revenues. Essentially they want a total monopolisation of the Premier League in order to permanently consolidate their position as a top six club and make it impossible for them to not be playing in the Champions League.

How on earth did they think this would pass?

 

[WW1963]

All they have to do is change the rules. Governments (even ours) are bypassing human rights laws all over the world in pursuit of the Great Economic Reset. The Premier League will do exactly the same. That rule of 14 will go right out of the window and the big six will do as they wilt in pursuit of football's Great Reset.

Wipe out the debts of everybody else and then wave goodbye as a closed shop of Elites dominate broadcasting rights across the globe in a league of twenty or so top international club sides.

The USA will be the hub where the governing body resides. China and the Middle East will have no horse in the race and the likes of Man City will be bought by an American tech giant or be left out in the cold.

Personally, I say bring it on. Those that are left behind are more than able to start a new structure of leagues.