WolfLing
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Didn't even start regularly for Norwich and Chavski will want big bucks.
Yeah. Much better value abroad than expensive domestic-based players.
Didn't even start regularly for Norwich and Chavski will want big bucks.
Didn't even start regularly for Norwich and Chavski will want big bucks.
Laporta is a bit of a gob****e isn’t he?
The big 6 will always spend money
Newcastle are owned by saudis so just a play thing
Villa spent 100 million last summer to finish 14th
Clubs always spend and yet we finished above those clubs excluding spurs and Chelsea
Let the window play out just because those advertising money are linked to every man and their dog, let them spend their money. Then judge it on the pitch transfer are a risk.
Villa rumoured to offer Tarkowski 120k a week.
People may scorn and laugh at them but that's 10 million for 2 years. 10 million for an established PL defender.
Don't get me wrong. I like our vision of going for young and talented players and don't want us to sign Tarkowski
Bur we paid 10 million for Hoever...
Villa rumoured to offer Tarkowski 120k a week.
People may scorn and laugh at them but that's 10 million for 2 years. 10 million for an established PL defender.
Don't get me wrong. I like our vision of going for young and talented players and don't want us to sign Tarkowski
Bur we paid 10 million for Hoever...
Yes exactly..... tarkowski, coutinho and Kamara all being the highest earners isn't gonna do squad harmony much good....Yes, agree, £10m for 2 years with no transfer fee on the face of it looks decent. But it's not long-term planning. It's more of a Man United approach.
What happens when a good (but limited) player like Tarkowski comes in and earns that level? It makes him one of Villa's best paid players.
What does it do to players like Matty Cash, John McGinn, Tyrone Mings, Ollie Watkins, who are all on a lot less than that, but whose contribution to the team could be more?
Longer term, it creates divisions. Them and us. And it makes you overall wage bill a lot higher than it should be when contract renegotiations start.
I love Tarkowski. Think he's quality. I hope he doesn't end up at Aston Bits.
But can’t knock them for what they’ve done. The sort of owners everyone would want.
They had a worse second half to the season that we had?Villa are acting like a Newcastle but without the hype.
They’re building a fantastic squad that should be capable of pushing the top six.
The only problem I maybe see for them is Gerrard, not sure he’s at that level.
But can’t knock them for what they’ve done. The sort of owners everyone would want.
And Fosun as if it wasn't for them Wolves wouldn't have a relationship with JorgeIt is pathetic the stick Scott Sellers gets but if it wasn't for Jorge we would still be in the championship....
Good post this. Totally agree with it while yes I feel we could invest a bit more than we have last couple of seasons I do like our approach of buying younger players who see Wolves as a step up and have that hunger to develop and improve (I.e Neto, Ait-Nouri etc).I feel the complete opposite. Everton's owners, Villa's owners are exactly the sort of owners I don't want.
The Abramovich approach, the City approach of coming in and throwing money at it just doesn't work any more.
Like Villa, Everton, Newcastle (for now), we can't compete with the big boys in terms of spending, despite how rich our owners are, because we are limited by our turnover and FFP rules. So to have owners who recognise that you have to do things slightly differently is refreshing and longer term, will be more successful.
The reason Newcastle did so well in the second half of the season wasn't only because of money, it was down to specific, targeted recruitment. Everyone laughed when they signed Dan Burn, but he was perfect for where they were, as were all the other players they brought in. The key reason Newcastle worry me isn't their money, it's the recruitment of people like Dan Ashworth as Director of Football.
Then at the other end of the spectrum, you have Everton throwing money at Dele Alli and Donny van der Beek for a relegation battle. Insanity.
Villa are somewhere in the middle. They got rid of Matt Targett, who went on to be great for Newcastle, and signed Digne, who was injury prone and generally poor.
These models might have some element of short-term success, but if the cycle of players you bring in doesn't work over and over again, after a few years your resources are very limited due to previous overspending (as Everton have now found). You end up with a squad of very average players, on very over-inflated salaries and no way of shifting them or buying better players.
But it was only because of money with Newcastle? I get your point that you need to spend wisely but at the end of the day they only survived because they spent £90m in January.I feel the complete opposite. Everton's owners, Villa's owners are exactly the sort of owners I don't want.
The Abramovich approach, the City approach of coming in and throwing money at it just doesn't work any more.
Like Villa, Everton, Newcastle (for now), we can't compete with the big boys in terms of spending, despite how rich our owners are, because we are limited by our turnover and FFP rules. So to have owners who recognise that you have to do things slightly differently is refreshing and longer term, will be more successful.
The reason Newcastle did so well in the second half of the season wasn't only because of money, it was down to specific, targeted recruitment. Everyone laughed when they signed Dan Burn, but he was perfect for where they were, as were all the other players they brought in. The key reason Newcastle worry me isn't their money, it's the recruitment of people like Dan Ashworth as Director of Football.
Then at the other end of the spectrum, you have Everton throwing money at Dele Alli and Donny van der Beek for a relegation battle. Insanity.
Villa are somewhere in the middle. They got rid of Matt Targett, who went on to be great for Newcastle, and signed Digne, who was injury prone and generally poor.
These models might have some element of short-term success, but if the cycle of players you bring in doesn't work over and over again, after a few years your resources are very limited due to previous overspending (as Everton have now found). You end up with a squad of very average players, on very over-inflated salaries and no way of shifting them or buying better players.
I meant recruitment, but yes .And Fosun as if it wasn't for them Wolves wouldn't have a relationship with Jorge
They’ve had one eye on next season virtually as soon as Gerrard came in, so won’t judge him too harshly even if I do have the doubts about him.They had a worse second half to the season that we had?
As for Gerrard I completely agree. He’s not all that.
The fantastic squad I fail to see too.
There's definitely an argument that if you're always planning for the future then you never actually get there. There has to be a balance.I obviously agree about needing the right approach but I think Villa have that. Their academy is ridiculously good. They have a good balance in terms of the age in the squad, they’re improving the stadium and they’re making some major signings, Kamara the latest. I think they’re doing everything right.
Dont forget when Neves and Jota joined us they were only just turned 20 too,we have also had Goncalves and Vitinha and others from a very young age,some work others dont, but overall the quality cant be deniedGood post this. Totally agree with it while yes I feel we could invest a bit more than we have last couple of seasons I do like our approach of buying younger players who see Wolves as a step up and have that hunger to develop and improve (I.e Neto, Ait-Nouri etc).
But it was only because of money with Newcastle? I get your point that you need to spend wisely but at the end of the day they only survived because they spent £90m in January.
I obviously agree about needing the right approach but I think Villa have that. Their academy is ridiculously good. They have a good balance in terms of the age in the squad, they’re improving the stadium and they’re making some major signings, Kamara the latest. I think they’re doing everything right.
People cling on to Everton & Fulham but they’re extreme examples and not reflective of the bigger picture.
Like every league in the world, the Premier League will generally have the rich clubs at the top and the poor ones at the bottom. Unfortunately we now have to be classed as a poor club in this context and in comparison to our competitors.
You judge your own team far more harshly!!They’ve had one eye on next season virtually as soon as Gerrard came in, so won’t judge him too harshly even if I do have the doubts about him.
Big year for his managerial career.
I think they’re a squad that has good depth and quality. The glaring issues appeared DM (Kamara) and centre-back. Linked with Carlos and Bassey today, obviously need to wait until the latter happens but I’d expect high quality defenders to arrive either way.
I feel the names he attracts are secondary to his ability to form an effective team.
But we're never going to actually compete with those clubs? Do you honestly think we will?It wasn't only because of the money. For a club who could probably have spent more if they'd wanted, they brought in the right amount and type of players, for the right prices. They could have offered Alli and van der Beek a lot more than Everton, but they were completely the wrong players.
Is Villa's Academy ridiculously good? Results-wise, our Academy has been head and shoulders above theirs this season. Higher in our u18 league, plus a Youth Cup semi. Promoted from the same U23 league Villa finished 12/14 in.
I suppose Villa's approach will only be tested over time. But I think they are doing some things right, but a lot of things wrong!
Turnover-wise (and therefore spending ability wise), the Premier League has 4 super-rich clubs (turnover roughly 3 times everyone else - Man City, Man Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea), 2 very rich clubs (turnover roughly 2 times everyone else - Spurs and Arsenal) and then everyone else. So everyone else not in those 6 clubs is poor in comparison.
Why would you try and compete with those 6 from a spending perspective? If you try and operate the same way, they will always be ahead.
You have to do things differently to try to achieve similar results.
Get a grip. Plenty of reasons not to be overly positive at present, but you’re in a fantasy land.Well Chelsea have got £200m to spend, ENIC are putting £150m into Spurs; Newcastle will spend as will Villa, Everton, Leeds etc.
Meanwhile we are chasing a 21 year old who played 30 times for Vitoria last season and most won’t have seen or heard of with a manager that makes Saunders look like Fergie, Wenger, Klopp and Pep all rolled into one. It’s like Fosun have suddenly turned into the Venkys. They do realise that our brand value will plummet if/when we get relegated.
But we're never going to actually compete with those clubs? Do you honestly think we will?
It's a bit like Hearts saying they want to catch Celtic and Rangers, or Hoffenheim with Bayern Munich. It's not going to happen.
Also, bringing it back to us, the one potential difference maker that we had was Mendes, who brought in some of his most exciting young players for us that we shouldn't have got (Neves & Jota), then experienced players (Moutinho, Patricio). We're no longer doing that, we're maybe still benefiting with what appears good deals like Chiquinho, but we are no longer making signings like those four above and I presume that's down to finances. Where we would spend big on fees for a Neves/Jota (relatively speaking to where we were) or wages, we aren't doing it.
It's ultimately all down to money and always will be - sadly.
We can come up with good talk in the media and trying things differently, and it is obviously a factor, good scouting/recruitment is key but overall, in this league, the reality is we could all virtually guess roughly where each club will finish before a ball is kicked and it's due to the financial situation of the clubs.
Still think Soumare will be a good player... wonder what they're letting him go for?Leicester letting Vesteergard and Soumare go after a year. Two players who where touted to change the world for us.
So much hype on some of these players!
Leicester letting Vesteergard and Soumare go after a year. Two players who where touted to change the world for us.
So much hype on some of these players!
We are doing it but some haven't worked out as well as the previous onesBut we're never going to actually compete with those clubs? Do you honestly think we will?
It's a bit like Hearts saying they want to catch Celtic and Rangers, or Hoffenheim with Bayern Munich. It's not going to happen.
Also, bringing it back to us, the one potential difference maker that we had was Mendes, who brought in some of his most exciting young players for us that we shouldn't have got (Neves & Jota), then experienced players (Moutinho, Patricio). We're no longer doing that, we're maybe still benefiting with what appears good deals like Chiquinho, but we are no longer making signings like those four above and I presume that's down to finances. Where we would spend big on fees for a Neves/Jota (relatively speaking to where we were) or wages, we aren't doing it.
It's ultimately all down to money and always will be - sadly.
We can come up with good talk in the media and trying things differently, and it is obviously a factor, good scouting/recruitment is key but overall, in this league, the reality is we could all virtually guess roughly where each club will finish before a ball is kicked and it's due to the financial situation of the clubs.
I do think that the combination of the Pandemic (inc UK relations with China) and Uefa FFP did have an impact on the original plan. Self sustainability has always been the aim but I'm guessing with the tidal wave of early success we would have invested more in transfers had the steady state continued.But we're never going to actually compete with those clubs? Do you honestly think we will?
It's a bit like Hearts saying they want to catch Celtic and Rangers, or Hoffenheim with Bayern Munich. It's not going to happen.
Also, bringing it back to us, the one potential difference maker that we had was Mendes, who brought in some of his most exciting young players for us that we shouldn't have got (Neves & Jota), then experienced players (Moutinho, Patricio). We're no longer doing that, we're maybe still benefiting with what appears good deals like Chiquinho, but we are no longer making signings like those four above and I presume that's down to finances. Where we would spend big on fees for a Neves/Jota (relatively speaking to where we were) or wages, we aren't doing it.
It's ultimately all down to money and always will be - sadly.
We can come up with good talk in the media and trying things differently, and it is obviously a factor, good scouting/recruitment is key but overall, in this league, the reality is we could all virtually guess roughly where each club will finish before a ball is kicked and it's due to the financial situation of the clubs.
Tbf Leicester fans were in shambles after we signed Trincao as they thought he would do the same for them.Leicester letting Vesteergard and Soumare go after a year. Two players who where touted to change the world for us.
So much hype on some of these players!
Seems even Leicester get it wrong sometimesLeicester letting Vesteergard and Soumare go after a year. Two players who where touted to change the world for us.
So much hype on some of these players!
It is pathetic the stick Scott Sellers gets but if it wasn't for Jorge we would still be in the championship....
He loved lambert as well and didn’t want him fired.Just for thecrecord TimSpiers has always been Anti Fosun .. Anti Mendes . Same with E and S ..
Personally, I think whilst Sellars and Hobbs are running the clubs scouting network, Jeff shouldn't let them anywhere near the chequebook as they are, quite clearly, rubbish at scouting and buying top level players.
Let them focus on the academy and bringing through the Gibbs-Whites', Cundles' and Giles'.
Shi should only ever look at paying decent money out on Gestifute and Mendes-led deals. Then he should work on whatever is needed to bring the price down- loans to buy, player swaps, money owed for other deals.
But also, and this is key, where required, he should just stump up the cash for their best players.
The only thing we have over Villa, Newcastle, Brighton etc is Gestifute and it should be maximised unashamedly.
Our major non-Gestifute purchases have been Hwang, Mosquera and Hoever who have all been varying degrees of complete wastes of money.Ok so how have you come to in your opinion they are rubbish at scouting?