Perton Wolf
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Indeed. Poor signing and a waste of money in wages to boot.So we have paid 5m for 20%. I don't think we'll see us get our money back
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Indeed. Poor signing and a waste of money in wages to boot.So we have paid 5m for 20%. I don't think we'll see us get our money back
On his way up? His value had dropped since Barca paid Braga a fortune for him and it continues to drop, Barca desperately wanted him off their books and they saw this starstruck mug who doesn't know football called Jeff Shi come along. 5.1 million + wages is absurd period, Jeff was totally hoodwinked by the sell-on fee, why does he think Barcelona even offered that? Barca know they're not getting their money back so they found a sucker to pay them 5 million of it and cover his wages for a season, then Jeffrey went ahead and gave them Traore for nothing and killed our season just to rub the salt in, what a mug.
It wasn't actually a loan fee either, it would have been knocked off the transfer fee.On his way up in terms of value - as a 21 year old Portuguese international, yes he's very likely to have a transfer fee of over £25m at some point in the next few years, given recent/modern transfers. It's likely that the sell on fee was done as a way for us to effectively loan them £5m for when they needed it for FFP most.
Try to calm down a bit. It's not anywhere near as bad a deal as you seem to think, notwithstanding the fact that it didn't work out on the pitch.
What do you think a fair loan fee would be for a 21 year old Portugal international? All clubs in that kind of situation would pay one, as the selling club doesn't want to let a player go on a try-before-you-buy basis with no benefit if the sale doesn't happen.
Think Messi had his first Ballon D'Or by roughly the same age. Time slightly ticking Francisco..Eye watering stuff with Trincao. 5 mil bought us the right to buy him for another 25 mil, or 20% of his next transfer.
I actually think that we'll shake out of this fine. He has serious talent.
The real kick in the teeth will be if Trincao stays at Barcelona for the next 15 years and becomes the next Messi in the meantime !
You know I think he might. Little known fact but Messi hadn't done anything by the time he was 22!Eye watering stuff with Trincao. 5 mil bought us the right to buy him for another 25 mil, or 20% of his next transfer.
I actually think that we'll shake out of this fine. He has serious talent.
The real kick in the teeth will be if Trincao stays at Barcelona for the next 15 years and becomes the next Messi in the meantime !
When all of the same folk who were saying that they were both crap will then be all over the club like a rash for not having signed both of them....que trincao and vithina to be portugals best players in the next 3 years and offical melt down on here.
Correct.When all of the same folk who were saying that they were both crap will then be all over the club like a rash for not having signed both of them....
We could do with Raul and Adama reigniting the partnership of assists and goals they had a couple of seasons ago
We could do with Raul and Adama reigniting the partnership of assists and goals they had a couple of seasons ago
I struggle to see us move to a back 4 without at least one new cb plus an out and out physical dm.To do that, we really need Adama playing as a traditional winger on the right and Jimenez predominantly playing down the middle.
From last season, it seems Lage prefers inverted, inside wide players, with the width coming from the full/wingbacks and a roaming centre forward, involved in the link play.
I really want to know how we are going to set up next season, as I think it will tell us loads about who is likely to stay and who will be moved on.
Based on who is here at the moment, 4411 could actually work well, with Traore and Neto as traditional wingers, Raul down the middle and any of Silva, Hwang, MGW or Podence playing just off him. Just need to hope that setup can outscore the opposition with the centre backs we've got not ideally suited to playing a back 4.
From last season, it seems Lage prefers inverted, inside wide players, with the width coming from the full/wingbacks and a roaming centre forward, involved in the link play.
I keep seeing this about inverted wingers, but from my memory every time we seemed to have players way out wide knocking crosses into an empty 6 yard box, very very little inverted play.
All this post proves is your innumeracy.
Wow, even lower than my 15 million evaluation.
Jeff Shi clowned by Barca again, completely starstruck.
All up we dumped 7-8 million into Trincao for one loan season of him mostly sitting on the bench, Jeffrey you're being played for a mug.
Wow, even lower than my 15 million evaluation.
Jeff Shi clowned by Barca again, completely starstruck.
All up we dumped 7-8 million into Trincao for one loan season of him mostly sitting on the bench, Jeffrey you're being played for a mug.
Couldn’t make it up could youJust what we need.
A player who’s all about explosive pace with a hamstring problem and less than 12 months on his contract.
Let’s hope it isn’t serious or we’ll no longer have a money from a saleable asset or a useable player available to us.
Convenient……..hmmmmmm, kinda my first thoughts too.Convenient story for explaining why he’s not seen in training or pre season games…
Get shut, this is getting tiresome now
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considering he changed his Twitter profile within milliseconds of joining them, he hasn’t changed it back.
He will be joining them on a free/pre contract meanwhile Barca still go about splashing the 8 figure transfer fees on players they ‘couldn’t’ afford previously.
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I bet they were wearing masks to hide their sniggering at Wolves.
Slightly smacks of “cutting your nose off to spite your face”! But I understand your feelings.If he joins them on a free, then there should be some reckoning as far as I’m concerned. Traore would be persona non grata at Wolves with a few unflattering stories leaked, all future deals with Barca would be blocked, and Mendes would be told he either makes good or he is now nothing more than the agent of a few players on our books and Wolves are no longer part of his circus.
With the greatest of respect I still can’t understand the position you seem to continue to take on the Traore loan.I always thought the Traore/Barca ‘loan’ was more than that and thought it was a done deal. Somehow it didn’t have the ‘feel’ of a normal loan. There was a lot of hoopla around it.
I’d be surprised if he goes there considering the limited game time he got which isn’t going to change now Dembele is staying.With the greatest of respect I still can’t understand the position you seem to continue to take on the Traore loan.
Barcelona are clearly unscrupulous and have shown there contempt to pretty much every other club with trying to start up the Super League.
Why you believe they would have acted any different in this case I’m not sure.
All it’s done is to allow them more access to Traore on a day to day basis to convince him that he can join them on a free he just needs to see out his contract.
For what it’s worth I don’t blame Traore it’s his career to do with how he sees fit. I do however think it was naive in the extreme of Sellars and Shi to believe this would have any other outcome.
By all accounts Traore continues to be professional trains well and isn’t kicking up a fuss and presumably would have been exactly the same if we’d have kept him for the second part of last season.
He may have helped us get a number of extra points coming on as an impact sub, financially that would have helped a little more with the additional prize money and who knows could have led to European football.
It was a crazy decision to let him go without some kind of financial penalty if Barcelona chose not to sign him.
Maybe although if he doesn’t go there where does he go. His agent seems to have convinced him he belongs at an elite club on elite level wages.I’d be surprised if he goes there considering the limited game time he got which isn’t going to change now Dembele is staying.
You ask some questions so I’ll do my best to answer them.With the greatest of respect I still can’t understand the position you seem to continue to take on the Traore loan.
Barcelona are clearly unscrupulous and have shown there contempt to pretty much every other club with trying to start up the Super League.
Why you believe they would have acted any different in this case I’m not sure.
All it’s done is to allow them more access to Traore on a day to day basis to convince him that he can join them on a free he just needs to see out his contract.
For what it’s worth I don’t blame Traore it’s his career to do with how he sees fit. I do however think it was naive in the extreme of Sellars and Shi to believe this would have any other outcome.
By all accounts Traore continues to be professional trains well and isn’t kicking up a fuss and presumably would have been exactly the same if we’d have kept him for the second part of last season.
He may have helped us get a number of extra points coming on as an impact sub, financially that would have helped a little more with the additional prize money and who knows could have led to European football.
It was a crazy decision to let him go without some kind of financial penalty if Barcelona chose not to sign him.
Slightly smacks of “cutting your nose off to spite your face”! But I understand your feelings.
If we’ve got wind that this is the plan and he is running his contract down in order to go on a free next summer; I’d certainly be inclined to not give him any game time and have him apart from the first team.
However I suspect/hope that this is not the case. All evidence points towards Adama being a great lad and a genuine decent person... Barcelona fc is where the suspicion of evil and cynicism arises from!!
Great reply and food for thought. But my wife and I are grabbing some lunch up the coast, ( our time), and will share my thoughts later.You ask some questions so I’ll do my best to answer them.
1. I don’t know they are unscrupulous, especially when creating an international deal like this. As I posted earlier, there were so many professionals involved with that deal, you can’t make them look like fools or unethical.
Apart from the bad reputation they’d have for all transfers in the future.
Also, Barca would need Adama, his agent, his lawyers and anybody else in his camp to go along with this fraudulent plan, ( I’m not sure but possibly criminal). Funny that you mention that Adama is a professional but yet think he would premeditatedly cheat and defraud Wolves.
2. Based on what we know, it wasn’t naive of Jeff to allow the deal go through. At that point Wolves didn’t have many Adama options. It was a chance to get £29m in the Wolves coffers…..regardless how slim but still a chance.
Barca probably told Wolves up front they were not prepared to pay for a loan due to Traore’s inconsistent 3.5 season with us. Can’t say I blame them. I certainly wouldn’t pay it. But Xavi probably thought he could train Adam to improve. Seems all 3 parties were sober and all decided to take a chance on the loan.
3. As for how Adama might…..that a BIG might, have helped Wolves secure more points if he’d stayed is total speculation. A chance…that’s all it was at that time…..a very slim chance. So if fans wanted Jeff to take a chance, then it’s rational and logical for him to take a chance on the loan deal.
If a player wants to leave, isn’t performing well and you have a chance to get £29m for him, then why wouldn’t Jeff take that chance. If he hadn’t, Adama might have been really annoyed and so would the Mix.
“ Jeff had a chance last year to sell him but now he walks away free. Boo, Jeff out.”
As for the Super League……yes that was lousy. However, that’s different from transfers. Example, if we sell Neves to United, would we accept their word that they’d honour their contract and pay us over the next 3 years, say? Sure we would.
Just a reminder….this started with a post yesterday with someone saying that Traore might go to Barca next season for free. Just speculation, is all.Hi Vancouver
You make some interesting points.
You say you don’t know they are unscrupulous. Wow!
I’ll give you a couple of examples.
1. De Jong they apparently owe him a shed load of wages reportedly offering him a lot less yet signing new players on a shed load of wages.
2. Trying to create a Super League with an elite few undermining the whole basis of a competitive football league system in place for over a hundred years simply to serve their own purposes because they have continually overspent.
Both these give you an indication of the type of club you’re dealing with and how unscrupulous they are.
You say about Adama and his agent being complicit in what you call a fraudulent plan.
He won’t be the first player to be tapped up and is it criminal for Traore to see out his contract and then to sign for Barcelona? The answer you’ll be looking for there is No it isn’t!!
If you read my post I didn’t say to pay for the loan, I said if they didn’t buy him then a penalty clause could have been inserted with the option to buy, exactly as with the Trincao deal. Surely based on your hypothesis that Xavi thought he could improve Traore this wouldn’t be a problem as he’d be backing his own coaching skills?
Who knows how big the might would be. One thing is for certain is he couldn’t help us to gain extra points whilst playing for Barcelona.
Finally your comment about selling Man Utd and comparing that to the Adama loan, I would hope any contract signed between the clubs would specifically state the terms of sale incurring the purchase price and terms of payment. Thus if not paid there would be legal redress?
Now if you’d have made the comparison that we’d have sold Neves to Man Utd on a let’s say five year contract Man Utd said I tell you what we won’t give you any money now but we’ll pay you your transfer fee if we liked him and want to keep him at the end of his contract but if we don’t you can have him back, would you think that was a good deal or a little bit naive?
Hi Vancouver
You make some interesting points.
You say you don’t know they are unscrupulous. Wow!
I’ll give you a couple of examples.
1. De Jong they apparently owe him a shed load of wages reportedly offering him a lot less yet signing new players on a shed load of wages.
2. Trying to create a Super League with an elite few undermining the whole basis of a competitive football league system in place for over a hundred years simply to serve their own purposes because they have continually overspent.
Both these give you an indication of the type of club you’re dealing with and how unscrupulous they are.
You say about Adama and his agent being complicit in what you call a fraudulent plan.
He won’t be the first player to be tapped up and is it criminal for Traore to see out his contract and then to sign for Barcelona? The answer you’ll be looking for there is No it isn’t!!
If you read my post I didn’t say to pay for the loan, I said if they didn’t buy him then a penalty clause could have been inserted with the option to buy, exactly as with the Trincao deal. Surely based on your hypothesis that Xavi thought he could improve Traore this wouldn’t be a problem as he’d be backing his own coaching skills?
Who knows how big the might would be. One thing is for certain is he couldn’t help us to gain extra points whilst playing for Barcelona.
Finally your comment about selling Man Utd and comparing that to the Adama loan, I would hope any contract signed between the clubs would specifically state the terms of sale incurring the purchase price and terms of payment. Thus if not paid there would be legal redress?
Now if you’d have made the comparison that we’d have sold Neves to Man Utd on a let’s say five year contract Man Utd said I tell you what we won’t give you any money now but we’ll pay you your transfer fee if we liked him and want to keep him at the end of his contract but if we don’t you can have him back, would you think that was a good deal or a little bit naive?