FA charge GON

[Oh When the Wolves]

meanwhile Howard Webb STILL thinks it is the right decision

Nothing will change.

Remove the VAR screen from molineux

 

[old wittonian]

Yes, unlike the earlier errors, which we mostly onfield refs giving poor decisions and VARs failing to over-rule them, the last two have been VARs going out of their way to cancel out goals.

Hardly dare mention the iPad, but the ability of managers to watch the incident, combined with VAR is a huge part of the problem. VAR supposedly guarantees no major errors (but has just cancelled two goals for what infringements that are arguable at most). O'Neil watches that and then sees the ref sent to a screen by a VAR telling him he's just made a clear error. We'd all be pretty mad. Still have to treat people with respect though.

A clear error that took VAR 3/4 minutes to identify. LOB.

 

[GoldenHorseshoe]

Should pay it with Scottish 5 pound notes lol

Do they still have those?

 

[Big Saft Kid]

We all get the emotion but that’s no excuse…..hence the ban.
I had wondered if the ban would be longer but thankfully it’s not.

I suspect the ban is shorter than expected because they know he was justified in going mental but they can't say so publicly.

 

[Big Saft Kid]

£8,000 fine. Should take it all in 1p coins to the FA headquarters.

Yep, It's called doing a 'Phil Spector' . When one of the Ronettes, Ronnie, divorced him he paid her thousands of dollars in alimony entirely in nickels and dimes

 

[Sussex Wolf]

I get what you’re saying and also it wasn’t solely down to the ref. The VAR officials basically tell the on field official what decision to make without actually saying it, you can tell from released audio what they think the final outcome should be but don’t want to be seen as re-refereeing.

I think a lot of frustration and friction with managers could be fixed with better behind the scenes communication. Actually talk to managers like human beings and build an actual relationship of trust wherever you go.

The issue is that the way VAR operates effectively is rerefereeing the game, no matter what Webb says. It’s extremely hard for a referee sent to the monitor to go against the opinion of a similarly qualified referee who has spent minutes reviewing multiple tv angles.

In my opinion VAR should be used as a referee assistant only if the referee asks for it. So if the onfield officials see no issue with a goal, then it’s a goal, end of story. But if the ref is unsure, or their assistant says they saw something but the ref didn’t, then the ref can ask for VAR to provide a suitable replay of the incident. This would mean VAR no longer needs a qualified referee to sit in Stockley Park, as only the VAR technicians are needed. This would change the entire dynamic and it would be very clear to those watching if the ref had some doubt over a decision.

 

[Beastier]

From a Wolves perspective it really feels like these things always go against us and there is a total lack of consistency.

The absolute howlers that have gone against us - some of which acknowledged by Webb as wrong - didn't even refer the ref to the monitor in-game as it was felt they were debatable either way and so default to going with the original on-field decision.

Then we have the "goals" against West Ham & Bournemouth (the worst of the lot from what I can see) which (if we can accept to some minor degree) were debatable either way however - as original on-field decision favoured Wolves - bafflingly the ref was referred to on-screen monitor and let's face it we all knows what happens next (in fact guess which team suffered adversely in the only instance I can recall when a ref stuck with his original decision after checking the monitor).

For me not just wrong decisions but a total lack of any consistency in approach to dealing with them and seemingly erring whichever way is in the name of stitching Wolves up.

All very irrational I know but when for once do we get to benefit from one of these mess ups

 

[GoldenHorseshoe]

Shaun Derry up against Pep. That’s going to be interesting

He's going to spark pep out.

I've read, (only on here), about Shaun Derry's supposedly tough guy personna, but don't know the background.
Could someone fill me in? And when I say "fill me in", I'm speaking metaphorically.

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

I've read, (only on here), about Shaun Derry's supposedly tough guy personna, but don't know the background.
Could someone fill me in? And when I say "fill me in", I'm speaking metaphorically.

He was a known as a player for being rough and ready

Got sacked from palace for giving it the big un to younger players or something then palace under woy reemployed him? Then he come to us and miffed woy

 

[rubyloo]

In my opinion VAR should be used as a referee assistant only if the referee asks for it.

100% yes - this is basically the solution which would allow the idiots in charge to completely dial down VAR without losing face.

Unfortunately, this decision would require common sense, courage and pragmatism - none of which exist within PGMOL.

 

[WickedWolfie]

100% yes - this is basically the solution which would allow the idiots in charge to completely dial down VAR without losing face.

Unfortunately, this decision would require common sense, courage and pragmatism - none of which exist within PGMOL.

Wonderful.... So Mike Dean still wouldn't have given the Pogba foul on Ruben or Hooper the blatant Onana penalty... Frankly not worth having at all if that is so.

 

[rubyloo]

Wonderful.... So Mike Dean still wouldn't have given the Pogba foul on Ruben or Hooper the blatant Onana penalty... Frankly not worth having at all if that is so.

I would prefer occasional human error to the absolute farce we have at the moment.

I remember walking out of grounds occasionally thinking the ref didn't give us anything today etc , but never walking out feeling as apoplectic with rage as i did after west ham.

 

[GoldenHorseshoe]

He was a known as a player for being rough and ready

Got sacked from palace for giving it the big un to younger players or something then palace under woy reemployed him? Then he come to us and miffed woy

Thanks

 

[Sussex Wolf]

Wonderful.... So Mike Dean still wouldn't have given the Pogba foul on Ruben or Hooper the blatant Onana penalty... Frankly not worth having at all if that is so.

The point is that it shouldn’t be used outside of rare instances where the onfield officials are not sure in their decision based on what they’ve seen. That returns the game to close to pre VAR days while keeping the benefit of the ref viewing a replay / different angle if needed. It’s fairly balanced in its effect too. If the ref used it too much, then PGMOL would think them unfit. If not enough and they miss calls, then they will get punished too.

If you asked most fans how they expected VAR to work before its introduction, it’s more like this. Instead, in the current system, the Stockley Park based VAR ref is effectively in charge of all the key calls, and that is simply wrong as we’ve seen ever since its introduction.

 

[WickedWolfie]

The point is that it shouldn’t be used outside of rare instances where the onfield officials are not sure in their decision based on what they’ve seen. That returns the game to close to pre VAR days while keeping the benefit of the ref viewing a replay / different angle if needed. It’s fairly balanced in its effect too. If the ref used it too much, then PGMOL would think them unfit. If not enough and they miss calls, then they will get punished too.

If you asked most fans how they expected VAR to work before its introduction, it’s more like this. Instead, in the current system, the Stockley Park based VAR ref is effectively in charge of all the key calls, and that is simply wrong as we’ve seen ever since its introduction.

In general l agree with the thrust of your post.

 

[xbomber]

Can he use facetime to the dressing room or is that banned?

Can't use facetime but I'll bet that if you look close enough at the rules there's nothing specifically against Gary climbing in a big cardboard box with a hole in the top and doing his teamtalk via a glove puppet. May also increase engagement with the younger players we've turned to.

 

[xbomber]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1785390004937621981

Serious question. Would it be possible to suspend Gary on a kind of cradle so he's effectively 10 feet above the ground in front of the BW? He wouldn't be 'on' the touchline as such and would also get a great aerial view to help him with his tactical changes.

 

[SuperGran]

Serious question. Would it be possible to suspend Gary on a kind of cradle so he's effectively 10 feet above the ground in front of the BW? He wouldn't be 'on' the touchline as such and would also get a great aerial view to help him with his tactical changes.

Not sure being above the BW would help the team playing at the etihad

 

[Thank you Sir Jack]

Serious question. Would it be possible to suspend Gary on a kind of cradle so he's effectively 10 feet above the ground in front of the BW? He wouldn't be 'on' the touchline as such and would also get a great aerial view to help him with his tactical changes.

Either that or employ a medium to channel his thoughts.

 

[Rabid Wolf]

Serious question. Would it be possible to suspend Gary on a kind of cradle so he's effectively 10 feet above the ground in front of the BW? He wouldn't be 'on' the touchline as such and would also get a great aerial view to help him with his tactical changes.

Great plan except one minor flaw, we are away.

 

[xbomber]

Not sure being above the BW would help the team playing at the etihad

Exactly. It may actually help matters?

 

[Nige]

Wait until we play Man City to ban Him.. Who would of guessed that corrupt to the core this league.

 

[Timberwolf]

What is he actually alleged to have done, anyway? I’ve read something about trying to kick the refs door down and being restrained but I’m taking that with a pinch of salt.

Lol…I would too. That moves over into the realm of criminality. Can’t see GON taking on the rozzers.

 

[Timberwolf]

The issue is that the way VAR operates effectively is rerefereeing the game, no matter what Webb says. It’s extremely hard for a referee sent to the monitor to go against the opinion of a similarly qualified referee who has spent minutes reviewing multiple tv angles.

In my opinion VAR should be used as a referee assistant only if the referee asks for it. So if the onfield officials see no issue with a goal, then it’s a goal, end of story. But if the ref is unsure, or their assistant says they saw something but the ref didn’t, then the ref can ask for VAR to provide a suitable replay of the incident. This would mean VAR no longer needs a qualified referee to sit in Stockley Park, as only the VAR technicians are needed. This would change the entire dynamic and it would be very clear to those watching if the ref had some doubt over a decision.

I like it…

 

[Timberwolf]

Serious question. Would it be possible to suspend Gary on a kind of cradle so he's effectively 10 feet above the ground in front of the BW? He wouldn't be 'on' the touchline as such and would also get a great aerial view to help him with his tactical changes.

GON giving Wolves instructions via semaphore

 

[xbomber]

GON giving Wolves instructions via semaphore

View attachment 42472

That would be amazing. I'd love that.

Suppose a bit far fetched though? Bit like claiming the character in that photo was the top politician of a modern nation.

 

[Achilles Last Stand]

Wonderful.... So Mike Dean still wouldn't have given the Pogba foul on Ruben or Hooper the blatant Onana penalty... Frankly not worth having at all if that is so.

Please don't mention that **** M D by name on here, I get angry everytime I see his name mentioned...

 

[WickedWolfie]

Please don't mention that **** M D by name on here, I get angry everytime I see his name mentioned...

Sorry

 

[VancouverWolf]

The issue is that the way VAR operates effectively is rerefereeing the game, no matter what Webb says. It’s extremely hard for a referee sent to the monitor to go against the opinion of a similarly qualified referee who has spent minutes reviewing multiple tv angles.

In my opinion VAR should be used as a referee assistant only if the referee asks for it. So if the onfield officials see no issue with a goal, then it’s a goal, end of story. But if the ref is unsure, or their assistant says they saw something but the ref didn’t, then the ref can ask for VAR to provide a suitable replay of the incident. This would mean VAR no longer needs a qualified referee to sit in Stockley Park, as only the VAR technicians are needed. This would change the entire dynamic and it would be very clear to those watching if the ref had some doubt over a decision

Fine idea in principal but the 3 officials will not see all things.
Example…..Henry for France handled the ball vs Ireland and scored a goal.

Just bad luck but none of the officials saw the handball and so the goal stood.

In that case I’d want VAR.

 

[Sussex Wolf]

Fine idea in principal but the 3 officials will not see all things.
Example…..Henry for France handled the ball vs Ireland and scored a goal.

Just bad luck but none of the officials saw the handball and so the goal stood.

In that case I’d want VAR.

I understand that perspective, but I disagree. Football was originally a sport consumed by spectators in the stadium. The officials are there, and they are connnected to fans. Having a referee hundreds of miles away effectively in control disconnects the fans in the stadium from what’s happening. So a system which puts the on field officials back in real control, is essential.

As for accuracy, in the days before VAR, there were errors, but they were infrequent and accepted by most fans as human error. Since VAR, despite the assertions of Webb, most fans would say there are more, not less errors. Maybe that’s because the margins of error are smaller with all those lines and replays, but that’s applying a degree of “accuracy” to officiating that is unnecessary and unhelpful to anyone except armchair fans and pundits.

So for me, the sport needs to return to one where what happens in the stadium takes precedence, and tv audiences and pundits just watch and enjoy rather than feeling like they are the ones in charge.

 

[VancouverWolf]

I understand that perspective, but I disagree. Football was originally a sport consumed by spectators in the stadium. The officials are there, and they are connnected to fans. Having a referee hundreds of miles away effectively in control disconnects the fans in the stadium from what’s happening. So a system which puts the on field officials back in real control, is essential.

As for accuracy, in the days before VAR, there were errors, but they were infrequent and accepted by most fans as human error. Since VAR, despite the assertions of Webb, most fans would say there are more, not less errors. Maybe that’s because the margins of error are smaller with all those lines and replays, but that’s applying a degree of “accuracy” to officiating that is unnecessary and unhelpful to anyone except armchair fans and pundits.

So for me, the sport needs to return to one where what happens in the stadium takes precedence, and tv audiences and pundits just watch and enjoy rather than feeling like they are the ones in charge.

I agree but the genie is out of the bottle.

 

[Oldvic161]

Let VAR run in the background BUT….let the referee make the decisions and only allow each team one use of VAR per match.

 

[Frank Lincoln]

Let VAR run in the background BUT….let the referee make the decisions and only allow each team one use of VAR per match.

Or better still just scrap the abomination!

 

[Wellington Wolf]

I would prefer occasional human error to the absolute farce we have at the moment.

I remember walking out of grounds occasionally thinking the ref didn't give us anything today etc , but never walking out feeling as apoplectic with rage as i did after west ham.

This is it for me. I don't want to comment how others feel, but I now feel football is deliberately robbing Wolves and cheating us. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but this is how VAR makes me feel.

Never felt this with real time reffing. And i/we are the real end consumer of the game

 

[Darvo]

There’s something very unsavoury and unpalatable about being denied the right to speak freely and openly.

 

[lobodelsur]

Fine idea in principal but the 3 officials will not see all things.
Example…..Henry for France handled the ball vs Ireland and scored a goal.

Just bad luck but none of the officials saw the handball and so the goal stood.

In that case I’d want VAR.

But the Irish players saw it, which is why a (limited) appeals system is probably the best way forward.

 

[Sussex Wolf]

I agree but the genie is out of the bottle.

You’re likely right, but I still think if it’s to stay, then a radical change such as that I suggested, is necessary to address the fundamental issues and concerns raised by the vast majority of matchgoing fans.

 

[VancouverWolf]

You’re likely right, but I still think if it’s to stay, then a radical change such as that I suggested, is necessary to address the fundamental issues and concerns raised by the vast majority of matchgoing fans.

You got my vote.

 

[Jawwfc]

Let VAR run in the background BUT….let the referee make the decisions and only allow each team one use of VAR per match.

Maybe that's the way forward get rid of the VAR refs who like to micromanage everything.

It work well in Europe tonight but you know in the Premier League it would be stop start.

 

[Poztin]

Gary said in his presser that he'll be in the changing room pre/post match and halftime. So he'll just need fisher price walkie talkies during the match to get his instructions down.