An overlooked aspect of the Hillsborough disaster

Spitfire said:
We’ve probably all been in crushes in or outside grounds where it has frightened the hell out of us not being able to move. What happened that day could have happened to any of us. More by luck than judgement that it didn’t.
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You aren't kidding. One at Southend away not too long after Hillsborough sticks in my mind.
 
The mental health/counseling/therapy aspect of this seems very challenging, and it doesn't sound like that challenge has been met as well as it could have been. I have some cousins with PTSD from either war or EMT experiences that were just too much....like i said, it's a heck of a challenge. I'd be lying if I said either one is doing terribly well, and that's after many rounds of help.
 
Andywolf74 said:
A really thought provoking article, in that it’s so easy to forget that Notts Forest suffered too that day. Certainly in that era it would have been nigh on impossible for any Forest fans subsequently suffering from ptsd to be able to get support, due to the predictable “you weren’t one of the tragic 95 people who lost their lives, pull yourself together” attitude and lack of knowledge of mental health at that time.
Have always felt that the inability to accurately quantify if there were any ticketless fans who had already gained entry to the ground or whether there were ticketless fans hoping to gain entry from outside the ground is a great unknown and hampered measures to make sure this tragedy never happened again in the future.
Fortunately (Euro 2020 final aside) a number of factors (technology, improved stadium security) has made attending high profile football matches a far safer experience but certainly at that time the likes of the Manchester Utd inter city jibbers who’s motto was “to pay is to fail” meant that the chances of football grounds being overwhelmed with ticketless fans was a huge risk to crowd safety.
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I can't believe this stuff is still getting talked about. The reason it happened was simple enough. If you've been to Leppings Lane prior to that date you'll know there were small pens accessed via a tunnel under the stand, larger areas to the side. People getting in late went by what was the shortest and most obvious route to the terrace, crushing the capacity crowd that was already in those pens. It had nothing to do with ticketless fans.
 
SingYourHeartsOut said:
I can't believe this stuff is still getting talked about. The reason it happened was simple enough. If you've been to Leppings Lane prior to that date you'll know there were small pens accessed via a tunnel under the stand, larger areas to the side. People getting in late went by what was the shortest and most obvious route to the terrace, crushing the capacity crowd that was already in those pens. It had nothing to do with ticketless fans.
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Absolutely agree with the point you make and the the standard of the stadium, abject failure of the police were obviously the main primary causes. However, where a game is an all ticket sell out, if a significant number of people have purchased forged tickets for example then over capacity could be a further contributory factor.
I didn’t in my original post ever say that ticketless fans caused it.
 
Andywolf74 said:
Absolutely agree with the point you make and the the standard of the stadium, abject failure of the police were obviously the main primary causes. However, where a game is an all ticket sell out, if a significant number of people have purchased forged tickets for example then over capacity could be a further contributory factor.
I didn’t in my original post ever say that ticketless fans caused it.
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Plus the gates were opened to avoid a crush outside, so anyone without a ticket could have got in.
 
It’s meant to be a thread from the Forest perspective…
 
Mutchy said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Hillsborough: How Liverpool and Nottingham Forest fans found common ground in tragedy

Ninety-seven Liverpool fans died as a result of April 1989's Hillsborough disaster. Nottingham Forest fans have been the silent witnesses of the horror that day.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Just to say this is not a place for the usual 'anti scouse' rhetoric, and anyone wishing to indulge themselves (yet again) will simply be removed from the thread.
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It nearly happened to us at hillsborough a few years earlier. We had fans sat pitch side because of overcrowding
 
So after 36 years, when everyone knew from day one (despite what the Sun and others said to cover for Thatcher's boot boys) that all those fans died because incompetent policing let them into a death trap stadium design, apparently there was no conspiracy to blame the fans. Or perhaps to be slightly more accurate, there may well have been, but there isn't enough evidence to prove it. Talk about justice delayed is justice denied.
 
Ebbo said:
We were at the Aldershot away game, and news started trickling through. It was a cramped away terrace there and you all have to leave through a narrow exit down behind the 'main stand'...

Then of course Torquay at home was the first game played after Hillsborough, where gates were left open in the fencing at the font of the South Bank as a safety measure.
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My now wife and I were also at the Aldershot game and knew nothing about events at Hillsborough until we got to the car and turned the radio on. I have no doubt the events left many mentally scarred as well as those physically injured.
 
WickedWolfie said:
You aren't kidding. One at Southend away not too long after Hillsborough sticks in my mind.
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Brings back memories of the ill-planned fire practice ground clearance drill at Portsmouth where Wolves fans were kept at one end whilst the Pompey fans walked past on the pitch many being thoroughly objectionable. Yet another example of a total lack of thought and organisation. I lived in Portsmouth for four years prior to this and did, and still do, love the place. It would take more than the actions of a brain-dead minority to change my thinking.
 
Jack Russell said:
My now wife and I were also at the Aldershot game and knew nothing about events at Hillsborough until we got to the car and turned the radio on. I have no doubt the events left many mentally scarred as well as those physically injured.
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Yep me too I was on the way back from Aldershot as the story was unfolding
 
Jack Russell said:
Brings back memories of the ill-planned fire practice ground clearance drill at Portsmouth where Wolves fans were kept at one end whilst the Pompey fans walked past on the pitch many being thoroughly objectionable. Yet another example of a total lack of thought and organisation. I lived in Portsmouth for four years prior to this and did, and still do, love the place. It would take more than the actions of a brain-dead minority to change my thinking.
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What a disgrace that was. We still talk about it now.
 
I was at Aldershot that day and remember the tragic events unfolding on the radio.
I also remember the "Where's your caravan" song directed at an Aldershot player.
Also their was a copper with a police dog stationed behind one goal throughout the game. Every time the keeper took a goal kick on his side of the net the dog went crazy and had to be held back.
There was also a very large tree growing in the away end.
 
Ercall Wolves said:
Are you referring to the Friday night game that we lost when we was singing “we’ll be top by 10 o clock”
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Sounds about right. A group of Southend AHs were lurking in the carpark at the top of the steps leading to the away end. The police blocked the steps despite more and more Wolves fans packing the alley below.
 
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More needs to be done to compensate the families and punish those responsible or in a position of authority on the day!

Regardless of age of the people who orchestrated and were complicit in the cover up, a prison sentence is much deserved!!!

They deserve all the pain and suffering of justice and a custodial sentence!

Scum bags of epic proportions

My heart goes out and is broken by all those affected by the tragedy.
 
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