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Would you bet on Davies?

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by Marauding Wolf, Dec 22, 2008.

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  1. I think this situation is starting to hot up. My first team recollections of Davies (long ago though they were) are that he looked like he had the potential to be a sensation (certainly by Championship standards).

    The current situation it seems to me in terms of transfers required in January is that we must buy another pacey winger, so that form and injuries can be covered (may end up being a loan of somone like Sinclair of course).

    I think most people would agree that the other area that looks most susceptible is central midfield. I personally feel that Henry is more than deserving of his starting berth, his partner is less clear cut. Our league position and points tally will tell you that neither Jones nor Edwards has let anyone down, but at the same time both have looked vulnerable as starters.

    My question is, given that this isn't champ man and Xavi won't be heading to the championship any time soon. Who is better than Mark Davies at his best? I'm not sure there are lots of realistic targets I'd consider better. Now that Davies is apparently finding form and fitness how damaging might it be for him in terms of movtivation etc if we do bring someone else in? Would he try to make his loan move permanent or not sign a new deal? Now obviously I would be against the club being held to ransom by anyone, but surely any player is going to look at his first team opportunities at contract time?

    I guess all I'm saying is that just bringing in another central midfielder may not be as clear cut an answer as some think. Based on the Leicester reviews (I know they're a league below but look at how Swansea have adapted) I'm starting to think I'd much rather see homegrown Mark Davies at full strength partner Henry than say a Marvin Elliot (Although I'd fully support any player we signed).

    One other thing to note is that I think Mick works well with a fairly tight squad. Having too many strikers last season was a big problem for us, it affected attitudes of players who felt detached from the first team and more importantly the chopping and changing affected the form of players. I bring this up to highlight another pitfall of signing another centre mid and bringing back Davies, I'd want him to come back hungry and feeling on the cusp of the side, so that a dynamic performance form the bench a la D.Edwards this season can see him earn a start.
     
  2. fullmoon

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    I would definetly go for Mark Davies. As a homegrown lad,the desire to excel will be more evident. Furthermore,the lad has grown and likewise he was one of those outstanding young England boy who would have gone further if not for his injuries.

    He needs proper guidances and hopefully he will realised the importance of being a squad player.I would say take a chance on the lad rather than signing someone.

    We could bolster the wings especially with player like Sinclair if we have the chance.

    At the rate we are going,we need a terrier like CM and i think MD has grown in statures.Prove me right MD!
     
  3. Moira Stewart

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    By Saturdays evidence if he were fully fit and playing well he would stroll into our team, just the type of player in midfield we need.
     
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    Its tricky because of doubts on his fitness. Hopefully he will come back and earn a place in the starting line up but who knows? The Gobern and Murray precedents are hardly encouraging.

    Potter may leave in January so there might be room for someone like Marvin Elliott to come in as natural competition for Henry. Ideally I would have both Elliott and Davies in the squad to help blast us out of this confounded league - we will need them in the Premiership (and in Europe of course). Its a squad game these days and we definitely need to strengthen central midfield despite the fine efforts of Henry this season. But for the moment its the lack of another winger which worries me and which I hope MM will speedily rectify.
     
  6. RichRalph

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    My inlaws are Leicester fans. Without saying Davies stood out on Saturday, they did say it was the best they had seen Leicester play for years and that everyone played well.
     
  7. Adrian_Monk

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    If davies doesn't grasp an opportunity like this then he doesn't deserve to play for the club. The opportunity to prove yourself to a set of supporters that have by and large forgotten you after having shown so much promise, to prove to a manager that has kept faith with you enough to keep you at the club despite an obvious attitude flaw, and to yourself that you can help your club win promotion to the premiership should be enough driving any player with the talent that he has. I truly hope he steps up, he's making small steps with his performances at leicester.
     
  8. Edgmond Wolf

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    I watched Mark Davies early in season and he has the capacity to do a job for us.

    However in the january firesale I would like:

    1. CB - Mancienne fits the bill
    2. Winger - Carlos Edwards maybe
    3. CM - Bullard?

    Yeh I know I am shooting high but whoever we bring in has to improve the squad
     
  9. Carlos#5

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    1. Hopefully.
    2. Will do nicely.
    3. Are you insane?
     
  10. Akaman

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    If Davies can come back in good form and fully fit, he's effectively a £2m signing for the midfield, and could be the catalyst to push us on.
     
  11. Bullard? Ha Ha Ha Ha.

    Anyway, Mark Davies IS the answer, but he won't just stroll back from Leicester and walk straight into a starting position. He has to EARN it, so i don't think we'll see him start a game for Wolves for a while - hopefully i'll be wrong. But i see Mick bringing a CM in, in January.
     
  12. Edgmond Wolf

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    Whats wrong with Bullard?

    Santa said he would bring whatever I want (Wink)
     
  13. Broseleywolf

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    Jimmy Bullard, have you been drinking Edgmond?
     
  14. Edgmond Wolf

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    Yea, its Christmas and I am in to festive cheer!!! :p
     
  15. Mugwump

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    Bullard is the type of signing we should be making when we get promotion.
     
  16. Redditch Wolves

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    Totally agree that Davies would bring the quality we need to the middle of the park because Edwards and Jones are too inconsitent at this level therefore will not make it in the Premiership if and when we go up!!
     
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    Yea I know but I was sort of thinking ahead. Please note no mention of that word ;)
     
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    I think even with Premiership status, he'd be a difficult signing to pull off. He's one of those players who could easily fit into a '2nd tier' side like Everton or Tottenham.
     
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    Oh I am sure he could do a job for a first tier team as well... like Wolves
     
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    Definitely. Don't get me wrong, I rate the guy very highly,you just get the feeling though that he wouldn't go to a newly promoted side.
     
  21. Edgmond Wolf

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    Yea I know just playing with yer, it Christmas afterall

    Have a good un

    Come on the Wolves
     
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  24. Super Hans

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    SSN earlier had Charlie Nicholls saying that Chelsea were going to have to lose one of Ballack, Deco or Lampard from their midfield. Anyone on here think they could do a job for us?
     
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    Deco couldn't cut it in the Championship, Ballack is no better than Henry, and BILD has already signed Gerrard for us, so that rules out Lampard by default.
     
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    Mark Davies has made 15 starts for the Wolves is his whole career. I'd willingly bet most on here have seen few if any of those and yet are prepared to hail him as some sort of messiah nonetheless.

    Let's try and keep his potential impact in perspective - I think he would struggle in opposition to our current midfield at this stage of his recovery, but am delighted to see him doing well in a team that is dominating the division below and must be easier to play for than say Hereford.

    I hope he comes back and can make an impact at some stage - as for driving us to promotion in the second half of the season - you're having the proverbial!!
     
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  27. Uncle Festa

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    Pity Davies playted for Leicester in the FA Cup. The game against Birmingham would have been an ideal platform for him to show what he can do.
     
  28. Totally agree with your point that Davies has to earn the right to start but your final comment is the concern for me. If we sign another midfielder I can't see Davies even getting cameo appearances from the bench to prove his worth. Mick said something along the lines of Davies won't be able to oust the current incumbents by playing in the reserves. So I just have a real worry that he won't get the chance to prove himself if we sign someone else and we'll lose him.
     
  29. Catch 22 though isn't it?

    I assume the idea is we sign a so called 'ready-made' midfielder in January to come in and compete with Edwards, Henry + Jones immediately... sort of keep them on their toes, while Davies builds up his fitness and continues to gain valuable first team experience at Leicester.

    The problem with that being as you correctly touch on, is IF then we are successful and get promoted, we would have the lads here already, Davies AND our potential signing battling for a starting place in a newly promoted team... AND no doubt we'll expect some 'better' signings if we were to go up too. So where is Davies then?

    Tough one for Mick, but then thats why he's the manager!
     
  30. I dunno I'd be tempted (as long as we sign good winger back-up) to not sign a centre mid. I'd bring Davies back and tell him he is the competition for midfield, I think he could force his way into the starting line-up in the way Edwards did.
    If we sign another centre-mid I just can't see how Davies is going to start a game for us this season and if he doesn't get some first team games this season and we go up it's gunna be even harder to gamble on him improving a prem side IF we should get there. Obviously if we didn't that might give him more time, but I don't want to consider that scenario at the mo,
     
  31. Weller7

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    Hi Wolves fans,

    Fox here in peace ;). Just thought I'd give you a Leicester fan's view on Davies.

    He has been eased into the team the last few weeks, getting a full start on Saturday.

    Firstly, I'm gutted MM sent one of your lot over to have a look at him against Peterboro'...couldn't have picked a better (or worse...depends if you're a Wolf or Fox ;)) game really.

    You could see glints of quality the few times he's come on as a substitute but he really shone in midfield on Saturday. He seems to have a really good understanding with everyone around him.

    A few Wolves fans have been asking what role he's been doing. With us, he's had quite an attacking role. He really gets stuck in, and makes some quality passes under pressure. He looks dangerous on the ball and you know there's goals in him (contrary to reports in the papers, he DIDN'T score the other week). He loves bursting into the box to have a crack at goal, he's also been mopping up a little at the back as well. I really thought he might get a goal on Saturday, shame he didn't.

    Really gutted that he's only with us for 2 more games..at least we've got him for Leeds :D

    He's really made a good & lasting impression on our fickle lot. He's assured of a warm welcome even if he's wearing the wrong colours!

    I was hoping that you'd go up and he wouldn't fit in with your bigger plans, now I'm hoping Santa brings Wolves a new CM for Christmas!!!:p
    Plus (stop your laughing at the back) you owe us BIG time for AkinBadBuy!!!!

    Just a side note, I don't know what it looks like from up there, but we're not walking it like some of you might think. I don't want to take anything away from us because we really are playing some excellent stuff under Pearson. There's been a few good teams this year down here, the difference has a lot to do with the [lack of] quality finishing really.

    Anyway, hope you get maximum points over Crimbo & MM decides Davies doesn't fit in the big picture.
     
  32. Del Woppio

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    This.

    Davies has the potential to be a good player, but his absence from football has seen his stock rise quite heavily amongst a lot of Wolves fans. Let's not expect too much of the kid, and let him continue his development without this level of pressure and expectation.
     
  33. wolfyjoe

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    Bullard will go to a top 6 club soon enough.
     
  34. Mr Zuki

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    Roy Hodgson has pretty much made it clear he'll let Bullard go because he doesn't work hard enough for the team. Given that, Mick's unlikely to sign him now or ever.
     
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    Thanks Weller ..i guess your'e naming yourself after the great Keith Weller?!:p Glad to see Pearson doing well, rate him as a manager, thought he got raw deals at WBA, Newcastle and Southampton. Keep Davies fit and playing well!!;)
     
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    Thanks for that but the bad news is we are having Davies back and also signing Fryatt in January ! You may get Potter in exchange though......
     
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    Thanks weller, encouraging views. I'd always had a bit of a grudge against leicester which goes back to bully getting sent off in front of bobby robson at filbert street in one of his epic clashes with steve walsh, but in aiding the development of davies and giving us stearman i'm sure i can forgive and forget.
     
  38. Appreciate what you're saying, but I think it's the level of expectation that has kept him at the club when he allegedly went off the rails (You could of course argue that it was levels of expectancy that helped send him off the rails).

    However, I think if he's fit I don't think it's being over expectant to get him back in the mix as long as people aren't expecting Gazza world cup 90 style performances. We could keep him at Leicester until March to develop further away from the so called spotlight, but I think that would force us to sign another centre mid in Jan which I think would weaken Davies position at the club.
     
  39. scrufftyguy

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    If we sign up Davies on a new 2 year deal in January, and don't get another CM that'd be just fine by me!!
     
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    Reportedly wanting £70k per week.









    Now tell me you were serious about us signing him.
     

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