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Wolves without Sako

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by WalsallWolf, Jan 11, 2015.

  1. WalsallWolf

    WalsallWolf Just doesn't shut up

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    Alot is said that we struggle without Sako and I am not arguing that we are not a better force without. Sako is on his day a class player. He provides a different option and is the one player who can turn a game on its head, as he has shown.

    The point of this thread though is that I want to argue with the consensus that we have no attacking threat, or aren't as capable of going on and winning games without Sako. As I say, almost 10 times out of 10 I do want Sako in the team and I am not looking to criticise him in anyway, I just wanted to show people this stat just for future sake more than anything, especially going into the next few weeks and arguably after the summer. Call it a peace of mind thing.

    Now I want to state straight away these are only broad stats, these type of things can always be translated in which you want and I can mention games where he has single handedly won us points - however, this is Wolves record throughout the last 2 years without Sako in the side.

    This does not include cup fixtures and is games when he has not appeared on the pitch (he may have been on the bench for example)

    2013/2014

    Played 11
    Won 9
    Draw 2
    Lost 0

    2014/2015

    Played 4
    Won 2
    Draw 2
    Lost 0

    Overall

    Played 15
    Won 11
    Draw 4
    Lost 0

    Do we rely on him as much as we think we do?
     
  2. North West Wanderer

    North West Wanderer Just doesn't shut up

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    I've said as much on the comms thread and I've upset a precious poster

    These are cold hard facts.

    I'd rather he was in the team too, but I hope this will cut out the one man team nonsense that permeates some of the more blinkered posters opinions.

    Hell of a record that.
     
  3. WalsallWolf

    WalsallWolf Just doesn't shut up

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    Didn't realise that debate Stu and this is no attempt at mine at stirring in anyway either.

    As you say it is stats, it reads well. No team in anyway can rely on one player and be successful and although these are only 15 games out of 92 it shows we aren't completely reliant.
     
  4. North West Wanderer

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    Absolutely mate and it is a shame that poster can't respect my opinion, which as you have clearly shown has basis.

    I am however surprised at how well we have done WITHOUT Sako. Very reassuring.
     
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    Agree with this. Your opening to the second paragraph is key.
     
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    to be fair last season we were winning most matches anyway and got promoted with record pts, so thats going to scew the stats a bit, but I agree that we've coped ok without him on the whole. when we've been playing badly he does have the ability to create something special and get us out of trouble though which no one else in the team does really
     
  7. Hrothgar

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    Sako is our big luxury player and I for one would love him to stay at the club. However i have to say that I do not fear losing or being without him as much as say Dicko who seems somehow to be far more essential to the team as a whole and i suspect the stats would back that up. Sako is more of a wild card really, capable of very great things but often quite culpable too especially in terms of over elaboration and inconsistency.
     
  8. WolvesAreBoringOnCeefax

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    15 games isn't a massive sample size to judge on though, and more represents that Jackett has felt he's the comfortable first choice.
     
  9. North West Wanderer

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    Absolutely
     
  10. WalsallWolf

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    I know that, I do get this. It is one of the reasons why I was sceptical of putting it up. As I say all stats like this doesn't always represent the truth but in any case I do think there is a reason to feel comfortable going forward (if we need to) without him, in my opinion.
     
  11. WalsallWolf

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    For me at the moment because of our squad depth Dicko is far far more important to our team than Sako. I mean just look at our results when Dicko was out, compared to now he is back, then look at those stats in the OP re Sako. We have players that can at least provide adequate cover for Sako (which I guess is the overall point I am trying to make) with Dicko we simply do NOT and it is to the point of scary when you consider our form without/with him. I hope this kid from Arsenal is the competition he needs.
     
  12. johnybig32

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    Anyone got point rate per game with him compared to without him.
     
  13. Tring Wolf

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    That's a fantastic record, which I have to admit I knew nothing about so thanks Walsall.

    I think it's also fair to point out that two of the games he didn't start were against struggling sides at the bottom of the table in Blackpool and Blues where we didn't look remotely like scoring.

    I still think he is our best player and we are a better side with him in it (as obviously does Jackett) but it's fantastic that we have done so well in his absence.
     
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    Anyone sure the figures aren't made up.? Lol
     
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    They aren't mate I wouldn't put up the thread if that was the case given the sensitivity on here at times, I assure you.
     
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    Anyone know when Mali's first game is?
     
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    I put a thread up with the games 2-3 weeks ago?! Sako/Mali
     
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    Think someone said it starts during half time against Blackpool
     
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    I'm fine with JH on 1 wing but if VLP was more consistent I'd be a lot happier about missing Sako. VLP is all over the place in games - he can be quite brilliant but his final effort, be it cross, shot or pass more often that not goes astray. If he could get his whole game together he would be a decent shout imo.
     
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    It has become obvious that VLP doesn't do defending either. Comms. were spitting feathers because of him today!
     
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    Sorry mate. I hadn't noticed it. I will have a look.
     
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    Yet if someone were to do the analysis I expect we will have done better with RVLP than without. I think his pace, movement and trickery helps keep the opposition on the back foot even if his end product is hit and miss and his tackling weak.
     
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    If I remember rightly, when Sako first came, this was also a criticism of his, as was his inability or lack of interest in winning balls back. From what I've seen, this aspect of his game is much improved, so perhaps VLP can develop in a similar way.
     
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    Its not a matter or not respecting your opinion it is just that you go on and on normally belittling Sako's contribution at every possible opportunity. Its a kind of obsession.We had a good win today well worth celebrating yet you cannot resist introducing all this 'one man team' nonsense. Sako has made a major contribution to the club imv and has always shown enthusiasm and positivity as far as I can see and is popular with management , players and supporters. The fact that he wants to play in the Premiership is not a negative but all too natural for a player of his ability.Perhaps you need to show a bit of respect for all those people who don't share your negative opinion. There are a lot of them.
     
  26. North West Wanderer

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    I happily respect those that show respect.

    You should also take some of your own advice.
     
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    VLP was dreadful today and Henry not much better but hey ho each to their own!
     
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    He has got infinitely better at this aspect.
     
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    hurrah!!!
     
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    If we could get £2m for him now and put that cash towards a promotion push I would jump at it!
     
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    Me to, don't think hes as irreplaceable as some people think
     
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    Tbh I'd get shot now for decent cash if he'll go for nothing at the end of the season. Will he be the player to get us up - probably not, I personally think ND is far more important to us as is RS at the back.
     
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    You know you do, NWW ;).
     
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    No player is irreplaceable ultimately if you are willing to spend big but we aren't in that position.All I can say is thank goodness people who want to sell Sako at every opportunity are not running our club! He dovetails so well with Dicko and that combination is the key to us getting promotion imv.
     
  35. North West Wanderer

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    I may surprise a few now. I wouldn't sell.

    £2m is neither here nor there.

    Keep him, and if he wants to walk so be it
     
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    Completely agree. We have money to spend if required and £2m is nothing compared to what we would get from promotion.

    I won't criticise the club if we lose him for nothing in the Summer.
     
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    You're right I mean it's not like Sako's our top scorer is it.
     
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    Neither will I. Let's give it our best shot this season with our best possible team. If we don't get up re-group this summer and let Sako go his way if he wants to.After all, we are not a one man team as some might claim.....
     
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    The worth of keeping him at Wolves from now til the summer will be more than selling him for what we could get, which is £2-3m tops.
     
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    Has today allayed fears.....

    That we won't be able to create chances without Sako.

    for me it has to a degree but I still worry how we aren't clinical when it comes to putting the ball in the net. Hopefully the new lad will sort this if he signs.

    As a final point, could Dicko play the number 10 role with the new striker?
     

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