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Wolves v Everton Verdict Thread

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix' started by goldeneyed, Aug 11, 2018.

  1. goldeneyed

    goldeneyed Just doesn't shut up

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    A case of first night nerves. The whole team was tentative and tended to play safe with too many backward passes throughout. Understandable in a way as expectations are so unrealistically high right now.

    Our defence was worrying and Boly, who I rate so highly, had his worst game in a Wolves shirt. Far too casual and several times got us into trouble. Patricio looked good and thank God we have a player of his calibre in goal.
    Take away the two moments of absolute class from Neves - the wonderful free kick and the sublime cross into the penalty area which Jimenez took so well and we looked very average playing against 10 men. Everton were nothing special at all in the first half but picked up their game in the second as often happens when you are a man down.

    The main thing is we didn't lose but thought our attack was very disappointing with Jota and Costa poor to say the least and Jimenez marginally better (he missed a great one one chance that he should have buried. But the truth is we created very little and often our passing around seemed pretty pointless except at least we kept the ball.

    Musn't be too hard as it was the first game with a lot of pressure but it was frustrating watching so many passes going just out of reach of players and as I say a safety first mentality all round. I hope in future the forward players take more chances to attack rather than always look for the backward option. Otherwise we are going to struggle. We can't depend totally on Neves to come up with a bit of class.

    And the defence needs to tighten up considerably. We needed that new monster CB to come in to complement Boly and it it didn't happen. But to be fair Bennett was as always very steady and reliable if unspectacular.

    Lots of work to do and we have the likes of Cav and Traore to come in and liven up the attack and Leander also to help in midfield/defence. At least we got a point and hopefully no one injured. But please oh please in the future can we be a bit more bold when we attack. Jota in particular has so much more to offer and today he seemed to get knocked over or miskick every time he was near the ball. That is just not him.

    We are with the big boys now and everyone including Nuno has to adjust. Still optimistic we can be a top 12 team but it is all going to be a lot tougher than some people believe.

    As for Everton they have another four or five players to come in and should be top 8 once they are integrated. But today they offered very little, were lucky with the bounce of the ball for the first goal and should have made much more of our defensive lapses. Both managers will just about be satisfied but of course playing at home you always want a win for a full house crowd desperate for a good start.

    As a final thought I thought the sending off was justified and Ruben you are a bloody genius. We just need another couple of you to make real inroads in this division.
     
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  2. JadeWolf

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    Thought we played alright?! Few players (Boly, Jota, Costa) looked nervous, and we conceded two really soft goals. Lots to be positive about though, Neves was great, Jonny looked solid, Raul led the line well.
     
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    The only newly promoted side unbeaten in the league ;)
     
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    Good point considering we weren't at our best. Jimenez played well but lacked support. The defence looked shaky.

    How many times have I got to hear fans and ex-players say "It wasn't a red card because he got the ball".
     
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    Bennett sadly was the weakest link but his tackle near the end to stop a counter was magnificent

    Boly is no longer a man in a boys league, reality check for him to keep it simple as we can’t afford the mistakes

    Jota was very quiet for him

    Positives were way we enforced our play and dictated large chunks of the game, all 3 fullbacks looked comfortable.
     
  7. Stee

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    The biggest concern and problem was that our wing backs never got forward apart from when we needed to score at 2-1 down.

    As soon as they did get forward (and the left footed Vinagre at left back looked more of a threat) we straight away looked more dangerous and got space for Neves to put in a great cross and scored.

    Saw quite a few people saying 'BT are saying we are playing 5 at the back idiots' but the fact was we were. The wing backs were so deep it was comical and with no width in attack we were trying to play in three forwards against 6-7 Everton defenders. They could have kept us out for 900 minutes let alone 90.

    We absolutely must show more courage and faith in our system. It is fine playing the back 3 it worked so well last season but with two holding midfielders in Neves and Moutinho who both never make forward runs the wing backs HAVE to get forward or we won't score many goals this season...at all.
     
  8. JadeWolf

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    It was a shocking tackle, red all day. Says a lot about Jagielka though that Everton were better when he went off.
     
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    Jota and Costa were below par but in a couple weeks we would replace them with Traore and Cav. Jimenez oozed class for me.

    If Everton are the ‘best of the rest’ then we will win way more than we lost this season.

    Oh, and Ruben Neves, in a couple of years we will stand back and watch him win the Champions league with Real Madrid scratching our heads how to how the hell he ever played for us.
     
  10. sillytuna

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    Today showed how tough it will be against a very average but experienced Everton side. Too many players had off days - Jota and Costa were awful, while Boly made far too many errors and was lucky to get away with it. We did play nice stuff at times but created far too little and were too cautious.

    I really didn't like our left side and I don't think it helped Jota. When vinaigre came on I felt we actually had an attacking force there.

    On the plus side, our Mexican number 9 was good today, moutinho neat and tidy, and neves created and scored goals despite a mixed performance.

    We badly missed Cav's creativity today though. When Costa isn't on form he adds nothing.
     
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    Absolutely soaked!

    Thought defensively we were surprisingly all over the place - Bennett’s distribution was a problem yet again.

    Midfield looks paper thin - I don’t think we can have the luxury of playing moutinho and neves together.

    Jininez played well. Costa and Jota not up to speed.

    Vinagre looked good in his brief cameo.

    Doherty couldn’t live with richarlison
     
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    Bloody loved today. We competed with a very good, experienced and expensive PL team. Bit of tightening up at the back and Jota finding his mojo. Let's just enjoy being up and running.Time for lots of Rioja whilst I earn my freedom back by putting the kids to bed.

    Oh, and Neves is not of this Earth.
     
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    Richardison was class for them, no one else stood out though.
     
  14. Glass ankles

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    Just got back, thought we played well. Shows the level were at competing with Everton. We absoluely dominated the game imo. Neves quality
     
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  15. Tring Wolf

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    Went for 2-2 in the Prediction Thread and would have settled for that before the game. Post-match, however, whilst I’m thrilled with the character we showed and the quality of some of our football, I can’t help but feel that it’s more a case of two points dropped than one gained.

    The big positives for me were Neves (goal and a great assist) and Raul who I thought showed some intelligent movement and gave a really good centre-forwards display. I still worry about us defensively and feel that we are still a centre-half and wing-back short, but generally we looked very much at home in this company.

    Patricio 6
    Bennett 7 - Fantastic last-ditch tackle to stop them getting a third
    Coady 7
    Boly 6
    Doherty 6 - Worked really hard but poor delivery
    Moutinho 7
    Neves 8
    Jonny 7 - Really like the look of him.
    Costa 5
    Raul 8
    Jota 6

    All in all, a decent point that probably should have been converted into 3. The second-half situation was made for Cav and Traore, and once we add their cutting edge to that side, I’m confident we’ll be fine.
     
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  16. Tring Wolf

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    Went for 2-2 in the Prediction Thread and would have settled for that before the game. Post-match, however, whilst I’m thrilled with the character we showed and the quality of some of our football, I can’t help but feel that it’s more a case of two points dropped than one gained.

    The big positives for me were Neves (goal and a great assist) and Raul who I thought showed some intelligent movement and gave a really good centre-forwards display. I still worry about us defensively and feel that we are still a centre-half and wing-back short, but generally we looked very much at home in this company.

    Patricio 6
    Bennett 7 - Fantastic last-ditch tackle to stop them getting a third
    Coady 7
    Boly 6
    Doherty 6 - Worked really hard but poor delivery
    Moutinho 7
    Neves 8
    Jonny 7 - Really like the look of him.
    Costa 5
    Raul 8
    Jota 6

    All in all, a decent point that probably should have been converted into 3. The second-half situation was made for Cav and Traore, and once we add their cutting edge to that side, I’m confident we’ll be fine.
     
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  17. Eddie's Eagle

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    Neves was caught ball watching for the second goal and at times looked a little lethargic. But he assisted and scored and played ok overall.

    I was impressed with Jimenez and Gibbs-White. Thought Vinagre looked bright too.

    Bennett was the pick of the defence for me.

    Typical first game but I can't help but feel it was two points dropped.

    Onto the next game and hopefully we can settled those nerves a little. Onwards and upwards - definitely more to come from this team!
     
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    Reposting my post from the Comms thread with my thoughts. I'm not going to add ratings because I'm not there and only watching what my TV screen gives me.

    Overall, getting a point versus a Top-8 team isn't bad. But I just felt like we did nothing to win the game. We had such a long advantage, basically 55 minutes of an extra man, but we just never really did much. So much backwards passing. Coady was basically a second goalie for 90% of the game. Even on corners, with an extra man, we were leaving 4-men back. Just seemed to me like we were comfortable getting a point (and then got a scare when Everton went up 2-1).

    Jimenez redeemed himself after missing a glorious chance to put us ahead. But he potted the goal and helped us secure a point. He was a one-man show early because he had no support on his sides.

    Jota looked very poor. The only sad part is Costa looked even more poor.

    Neves looked a little out of sorts early, but he settled in nicely and have an absolutely lovely goal.

    Doherty was poor, IMO. Can't remember much of anything he did that was quality.

    Bennent had a few nice stops and steals, but was still beaten easily. Overall not good enough. Also didn't help that he had to defend for Doherty as well.

    Patricio had a couple really nice saves. Not sure he could have done much on either goal.

    Moutinho was solid in my opinion. A couple mistakes, but very confident with the ball and was moving it well. Seemed to be one of the players who wanted to move the ball forward.

    Jonny a lot better than Doherty, if that means much. Didn't get a chance to do much. Boly and Jota kept either sailing the ball over his head or not giving him the ball.

    Coady was his usual self. Felt he was too deep a lot of the time, especially when we had an extra man. But that may not have been his call.

    Boly looked shaky at best. His header into the ground was a poor choice even if it's a split second decision. He had a bunch of really poor balls that he pushed up the field as well. He did some good stuff too. I'm not too worried about him.

    Bonatini & Vinagre didn't get a chance to do much, but were both part of the game tying goal so I'll give them a big thumbs up for the game.

    Gibbs-White not much to say, only played a few moments.

    I also thought we were the better team before Everton had 10-men despite being down 1-0. I didn't get frustrated until we continually sat back during the second half with the such a long advantage and then gave up the go ahead goal. Thankfully the boys clawed their way back into a point though.
     
  19. Remdas

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    Relax. I bet on 3-1 get your money back for a fiver/ and both teams to score.
    Its all good
     
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    I thought it was a typical first game for both sides, some quality, some mistakes, which led to an exciting game for a neutral.

    I thought we played Ok, we went conceded an early goal, just a free kick from a wide area that we didn't deal with and Richarlison was well positioned to finish. We could easily of paniced and moved away from our normal passing game, though some people will think it was safe we got ourself a foothold in the game and started to put some nice moves together, though they didn't result in many chances, as the season goes on we'l do them a bit quicker and be a bit more sharper. I thought it was a red. Great free kick from Neves.
    2nd half the initative was for us to take but we didn't really manage to, and they always looked a threat on the break. some lacklustre marking and defending and we got punished. Again we showed character and didn't panic and got a draw from a great header from Raul.

    The defense was quite a concern today, especially on the counter attack we looked very vulnerable, i thought they targeted our right side and its obvious to see why. Thugh on the other side Boly was caught on a number of ocassions with the ball at his feet. I am sure as the season goes on though we will tighten up hopefully, we need to deal with balls into the box better as well.
    I thought Jonny was very good today, really impressed with everything about him, it wouldn't surprise me sooner rather than later we see Vinagre and Jonny as our first choice, I thought Vinagre did well when he came on.
    We really missed Cav today, Costa well off it today and Jota tried a bit too hard trying to dribble a bit too often. Raul was really good i was really impressed with him last week as well great for him to get his first Prem goal so early on in the season.

    All in all, lots to work on, lots to look forward to, 1 point more than the other promoted sides.
     
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    Going to quote you because agree. Lots of positives some negatives but we will survive and move on.
     
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    It's 1 gained even if you're the most pantwetting of pantwetters. Only 39 more to go!

    The biggest concern was looking shaky at the back, of which I have no concern Nuno will tighten that up. The second biggest concern was our wingers not being at their best, of which I have no concern about them or that part of our team as a whole.

    When Fulham lost earlier I realized it changed nothing in regards to my perceptions of their project/model/whatever because it's their first game in a new and vastly improved league. It would've been no different for us had we lost today, which we didn't, so that's good.
     
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    I think it's clear to see what an on form Dendonker and Traore would add to today's performance and therefore why Nuno pursued them both.
     
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    By and large we matched a team that finished 8th last season, that's pretty impressive for a newly promoted team.

    Need to tighten up at the back and have more direct pace on the counter, which Traore will offer us.

    Raul looked sharp and offered an option we didn't have last season. Doherty and Bennett solid. Vinagre looked very good, taking on his man a few times and couple of good deliveries.
     
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    Just got back

    Pretty good for the most part, proud to see them back.

    Wingbacks both dissapointing, along with Bennet. Vinagre made some.good runs when he came on but nobody noticed (probably got used to Jonny standing still for the last 70mins)

    Boly was magic for thr most paty and comically bad in others.

    Looking forward to City!
     
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    Whoever from Wolves decided to have Cafe del mar as the walkout song.....thank you!!!
     
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    Bennett was alright but he got done way too easy for their second goal, got too tight to Tosin and gave Richardison too much space to shoot.
     
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    Tough tough game, playing against a £200m squad so let’s not be too disappointed.

    Neves and Jimenez stood out for me.

    Get Cav and Traore in the front 3 and we have something to cause opposition problems.
     
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    Everton fans very scornful of our performance but I feel we did okay, just succumbed to nerves and exhibited a lack of control as a result. The wet conditions and ironically the 10 men probably didn't help either.

    Once we find our usual composure we'll be okay. We found Everton hard to break down and could do with a little more aggression and unpredictability up front. I think Adama might just help us a little there. Having Cavaleiro as an option will help too.
     
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    Sloppy in possession and no cutting edge tonight.

    I don't think we'll struggle though, think the big occasion got the better of us.
     
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    Thought Jota and Costa were anonymous. Didn't know Cav was injured. Was sitting behind me and was going mad when we got the second. Defensively a little suspect at times but Everton are a tough team to break down and overall a pleasing performance.
     
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    Pretty decent performance, should have perhaps got 3 points against the 10 men but you can’t complain too much. The quality we will be up against was there to see for all as even against 10 we were close to losing the game with their breaks.

    Played a top 8 team and got the draw which is pleasing enough as a start.

    One thing is certain if we want to make it to that top 10 we have to keep that team together and available, any injuries or suspensions with the key players and it will be difficult.

    MOTM is evens between Neves and Jiminez but I’m going to go for the latter for his goal and non-stop work ethic...a fantastic effort from him.
     
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    Now everyone on twitter is talking about Neves taking the free kick five yards closer than where the foul was committed. They're doing everything to try and take away from that brilliant free kick.
    About the game though, we just weren't good enough. Didn't put them under much pressure when we were a man up. Players looked nervous which is understandable but to only get a draw at home against a 10 man everton without five of their new players is not good enough.
     
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    Being back in the money league was worth getting soaked on the way home. Thought it wasn't a bad showing considering hardly any of our players have any PL experience. We will need to learn quickly though. This wasn't a top 8 Everton side we faced tonight. Boly surprised me with some sloppy defending at times and I think both Costa and Jota struggled to get into the game. Also, I feel Jonny didn't show much. However, on the plus side, I think we controlled the game at times and Jimenez held the ball up well. 1 point down, 39 to go!.
     
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    Definite nerves and Boly,Jota and Costa were poor.Jimenez and Neves played really well.

    Really not sure about the CM partnership and think we'll need to change it- especially away from home.

    Forget top 10 etc....really think we just need to focus on staying up this season.
     
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    Even if it was 5 yards further back he still would have scored :D
     
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    surprised to hear people think bennett was dodgy, pick of the defenders for me.

    Overall really enjoyed the game, little difference in quality between the teams, i think when we sharpen up and realise the pace is that little second faster on the touches, passes etc we'll be fine
     
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    +1.

    It was Boly that was well dodgy early on.
     
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    Love Jimenez already, works hard, technically good and what a header.

    Jota needs to play with his head up more, noticed it in the Champ that he runs down too many blind alleys.

    Unsure about Moutinho and Neves as a partnership, lacked Saiss' bite in there at times.
     
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    Definitely. Bennetts consistent as always - if Coady or Boly have another lacklustre performance at Leicester then their contendors for being replaced by Leander.
     
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