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Wolves v Derby post match discussion thread

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by Mutchy, Dec 9, 2008.

  1. Mutchy

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  2. JW

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    Very good win to come back from defeat on Saturday. If only Bham could have dropped some points.
     
  3. glasgowwolf

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    50 points 22 games nuff said
     
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    WM Now - 'Tonka'. What a prat! Typical 'McCarthy Must Go' merchant trying to pick holes in the way things are going, 50 pts in 22 games...astronomical stuff.
     
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    To be fair, who rings up WM?
     
  6. northnorfolkwolf

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    Pleased for AK tonight. Couldn't score for toffee but pleased to hear the crowd chanting his name. At least with him up front we do not lob aimless balls forward which come straight back.
     
  7. Great 3 points, lets take this form into Saturday
     
  8. goldeneyed

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    Good win but Birmingham and Reading winning again takes some of the gloss off it. We have to keep the pressure on by making sure we beat Barnsley and Doncaster. Birmingham seem to have squeezed so many lucky wins this season its *&^.#''# annoying.
     
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    Tell me about it. My assistant at work is an arrogant, blue nose $$$$$$. If they get promoted over us I will have to fire him.
     
  10. Tarcisio Mifsud

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    My comments are in the table below. What a beauty.

    2008/2009 English League Championship
    Overall Home Away
    GP W D L GS GA W D L GS GA W D L GS GA GD P
    1 Wolverhampton Wanderers 22 16 2 4 48 27 9 1 1 25 9 7 1 3 23 18 21 50
    2 Birmingham 22 14 5 3 32 19 9 0 2 17 8 5 5 1 15 11 13 47
    3 Reading 22 13 4 5 46 21 9 1 1 29 7 4 3 4 17 14 25 43
    4 Burnley 22 10 7 5 33 28 6 4 1 17 9 4 3 4 16 19 5 37
    5 Sheffield United 22 10 5 7 30 20 5 3 3 15 10 5 2 4 15 10 10 35
    6 Cardiff City 22 8 10 4 30 23 6 3 2 18 11 2 7 2 12 12 7 34
    7 Preston North End 22 10 4 8 30 28 8 0 3 18 12 2 4 5 12 16 2 34
    8 Crystal Palace 22 9 6 7 31 23 5 4 2 16 7 4 2 5 15 16 8 33
    9 Queens Park Rangers 22 9 5 8 19 21 8 1 2 17 9 1 4 6 2 12 -2 32
    10 Sheffield Wednesday 22 9 5 8 24 32 7 2 2 14 6 2 3 6 10 26 -8 32
    11 Swansea City 22 7 10 5 31 28 4 6 1 21 13 3 4 4 10 15 3 31
    12 Plymouth Argyle 22 8 5 9 24 25 4 2 5 15 14 4 3 4 9 11 -1 29
    13 Ipswich Town 21 7 7 7 28 22 4 4 2 15 9 3 3 5 13 13 6 28
    14 Coventry City 22 7 7 8 24 27 3 4 4 12 14 4 3 4 12 13 -3 28
    15 Bristol City 21 6 9 6 23 25 2 7 2 14 14 4 2 4 9 11 -2 27
    16 Blackpool 22 7 6 9 22 29 3 3 5 12 16 4 3 4 10 13 -7 27
    17 Barnsley 22 7 4 11 23 28 5 2 4 15 11 2 2 7 8 17 -5 25
    18 Derby County 22 6 7 9 25 32 4 4 3 16 12 2 3 6 9 20 -7 25
    19 Norwich City 21 6 5 10 27 32 4 3 4 18 15 2 2 6 9 17 -5 23
    20 Southampton 22 5 7 10 19 32 1 5 5 8 13 4 2 5 11 19 -13 22
    21 Watford 21 5 5 11 32 37 4 3 3 19 16 1 2 8 13 21 -5 20
    22 Doncaster Rovers 22 4 6 12 10 25 3 4 4 4 7 1 2 8 6 18 -15 18
    23 Nottingham Forest 22 3 8 11 19 32 2 4 5 8 12 1 4 6 11 20 -13 17
    24 Charlton Athletic 22 4 5 13 23 37 3 2 6 15 21 1 3 7 8 16 -14 17
     
  11. Shifnal Wolf

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    Just seen the goals. Don;t know about the penalty from where I was sitting in my lounge but will take it. Nice neat finish from Edwards for the 2nd and nice lay-off from keogh for the 3rd when he could have shot and missed buit instead saw SEB in a better place. Wouldn't say it was a sitter he missed as well in that build up and was a gk and defender back with a tight angle
     
  12. Toon Wolf

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    Just seen the goals on SSN. Couldn't really tell if it was a pen, looked a bit harsh though. Edwards took the 2nd well and Keogh did well for the 3rd- his shot came straight back to him off the keeper but he controlled it first time and laid it on a plate for SEB.
     
  13. Bahama Wolf

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    ...hallmark of a good side when you can bounce back from a bad performance! Great win, (Polak strikes again!) Fancy 3 more points on Saturday especially as Barnsley will have been rocked by Swansea's late leveller!!:cool:
     
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    Just relieved with a good win, credit to mick also for saving the legs of seb-jarvo and making sure we never done nothing silly.

    Blues were lucky but won, and reading as we expected won, wish them 2 would drop some points.
     
  15. Just got back.....

    Thought Mancienne had a particularly good game and was nice to see our front two (Keogh and Sylvain) so lively. Was a shame keogh didnt get on the scoresheet as his performance otherwise merited a goal. On a couple of occasions Ebanks Blakes passing let him down slightly but the interplay between the two forwards was a huge improvement upon the past few games!!! keogh definately offers us something iwelumo doesnt, (and obviously vice versa)

    Hill had a reasonably assured debut and Edwards had a good second half in midfield.

    We were a bit shaky at times in the first half but hey ho im happy enough with the points/ clean sheet/ three goals!!!

    Shame that Blues and reading both won. I think this is going to be one of the hardest seasons to go up automatic from the championship. The last thing we want is a three horse race!!!
     
  16. WolvesAreBoringOnCeefax

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    Mick just on 606 saying (about Mancienne) "We've got him for two months, nothing's changed, he's loving it here" when asked whether he thought his England call-up would lead to Chelski recalling him.
     
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    Tonka on WM really annoyed me tonight.

    His comment about Keogh offering nothing was just unbelieveable.

    A well fought 3 points tonight and inreality we could have been 4 up by HT.
     
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    We're so much better when we play it on the floor with tempo. After the goal for half an hour we tried to hoof it towards Keogh and looked poor. Then we started to push up, presure them on the ball and play with tempo when we had it and Derby couldn't live with us.
     
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    My birthday today, what a night, Wolves winning and my kids having my name said 3 times over the mike at half time and my age 48!!

    Well done Wolves roll on Saturday.
     
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  22. Del Woppio

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    As Bumba said, job done. First 25 minutes or we really struggled with their strength in the air, though Hennessey wasn't stretched. I think a Mancienne/Stearman partnership will continue to struggle in that way in this league - but that's another argument.

    Other than that 25 minute start, we were in control, despite what McCarthy said. First half, we scored, hit the post, and had a couple of decent chances too. The second half was very comfortable, though the possession didn't really tranform into clearcut chances despite some territorial advantage and the lion's share of the ball.

    I didn't see the handball for the penalty, but I'll take it! Nice to see SEB do something other than $$$$ it down the middle.
    Edwards took his goal really, really well, after a good move down the right hand side.
    A wonderful ball from Kightly set Keogh away, and though his shot was saved, he showed great awareness to square to SEB.

    Hennessey - Some iffy distribution, but claimed 2-3 crosses well. Not assured, but not stretched. 6
    Foley - One error, where he came inside facing his own goal and played Henry into trouble 18 yards out. Other than that, his usual self. 7
    Hill - Steady, if unspectacular. I'd have liked to have seen him overlap more, but he may have been under instructions to keep things tight. 6
    Stearman/Mancienne - As usual, great on the ball. Worrying in the air - neither seem to attack the ball unless it's on the deck, and a more effective strike partnership would have punished us. It's great to see comfort and confidence on the ball, but part of me thinks we need more ariel ability and strength in the partnership. 6
    Kites - More like a winger, and more like the Kites that has courted so much attention. Some great examples of old fashioned wing play, and a wonderful ball through to Keogh for the third. 8
    Ward - A more natural wide threat than Edwards or Gray, and a different player to last season's Ward. Triffic. 8
    Henry - A great 'spoiler' display, with a few cracking balls thown in for good measure. 8
    Edwards - Took his goal excellently, but I think his desire to get forward cost us little bit of shape in midfield at times. Real energy, and some very good movement, though. 8
    Keogh - His movement off the ball was absolutely superb. While he doesn't offer the arial ability, the strength or the finishing of Iwelumo, his pace, intelligence and excellent link up play make him a good option. Really pleased that barring a few $$$$s, his contribution got the vocal appreciation it deserved. 8 MOM
    SEB - Good penalty, good second, and some good strong hold up play. Showed a couple of excellent bursts of pace too. Looked a lot sharper. 8

    McCarthy - I've been advocating a Hill/Ward left hand side for a while, and I'm glad he's tried it. It looked decent. Everybody who came in, did well.
    Fans - It was quiet at times, but I'm so pleased that Keogh got some support. He deserved it, and barring a few morons whoare incapable of open mindedness and independant thought, I was pleasantly surprised.

    A really important win to bounce back against a Derby side that were in decent nick in November. 50 points, 22 games, a zillion goals. A happy Wop tonight.
     
  23. Golden Bull

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    Happy Birthday Sue Priest
     
  24. Powelly

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    Reasonable performance from us and delighted that we've bounced back with a win in what could have been a tricky game.

    IMO the game was perhaps killed off a little with the very early pen. brilliant finish from SEB from the spot though after the worst case ive ever seen of a keeper trying to put a forward off from the spot.. How Bywater got away without being booked i have no idea.

    Would have liked to have seen us get a few more though in honesty given the chances we created as it was an opportunity to close the gap on Reading's GD and stretch it further on Blues.. given how tight it may between the 3 sides, GD may be all important.

    That said the most important thing tonight was 3 points and to keep the pack chasing..
     
  25. Wolv3nsam

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    48 goals so far this season, I believe we scored 52 throughout all of 2007/08.

    Now that is remarkable.
     
  26. From a 'reasonable performance' against a team who were in the prem last season you wanted us to win 6 nil?
     
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    Thanks GB
     
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    I work in Derby so i think i will enjoy work tomorrowWell deserved win tonight without playing brilliant,but thought Derby were very poor.Hill settled in well at left back and didn't disrupt the back 4.Hennesseys catching was a lot better tonight and D Edwards chased everything in midfield.A word of praise for the crowd who eventually realised that supporting a player(keogh)does work better than slagging him off,just a pity you couldn't lay of Collins(the Craddock song).Same again Saturday please.
     
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    I thought Mancienne was excellent and won most of the balls in the air.
    Henry was also excellent tonight - one of the best displays I've seen from him.
    Keogh tonight was full of running & energy and he played a lot of clever football. Very pleased for him.
     
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  30. Powelly

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    I'd have settled for 1-0 before the game..

    However given the opportunites we created through tonights game, (SEB hit the post, Keogh scuffed one inches wide, Kightly had one disallowed to name but a few) the opportunity was there for us to get a few more IMO.. Defensively Derby looked as poor as they did in the Premiership last season.

    Whilst obviously the 3points always comes first, tonight was an opportunity to have perhaps bumped our GD up a bit more .. obviously at 3-0 you just close the game out but given that some of our "fringe" players were involved tonight we could perhaps have stayed in 3rd gear rather than stepping down to 1st at times in the last 15/20.. Although i fully appreciate its a hectic period over the next 5 weeks or so so points becomes priority.

    Probably a case of me being over critical, just that if it is going to be as tight as most of us expect at this stage between the current top 3, our GD could well come into it, perhaps even going down to Goals scored..

    Not a major complaint, as to be where we are at the moment is a fantastic achievement, just a general observation that could pay dividends is if it does turn out to be that close come may.
     
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    The guy is an utter $$$$ing moron. As said, typical 'McCarthy Must Go' merchant who will keep having his sly digs and lavishing the team with the bare minimum amount of praise until things go wrong again when he will be in his element.
     
  32. John

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    Horrible first half to watch. We scored so early it killed them and I'm sure the weather put all 22 players of having a go.
    Great second half inspired by Derby getting in our faces with alot of strong challenges.
    It was brilliant to see outr players respond to a physical assault by rising to the game and coming back with some great challenges of thier own.
    We can play it short, long balls, in the air, on the ground and we can match teams when it gets physical.
    From a heart rate pov I hope Reading lose Hunt and Doyle in Jan and fade away, this side deserves to go up.
     
  33. John

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    A special mention to "no cofidence" Keogh. Keep going, it will come. Felt for him when he just missed by the post, he really needs a goal. Hope he appreciated the support.
     
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    3 best performers for me tonight were Mancienne, SEB & Henry.

    SEB's workrate seemed even greater than usual tonight and the two goals capped a superb all-round performance. Held the ball up well, chased opponents down, never stopped, some great flicks too. MY MOTM.

    Mancienne was so dominant today I barely noticed Stearman. A couple of dodgy occasions when faced with hoof balls, but very sound indeed. And every time they have the ball, no matter how close strikers are to them, I feel almost too relaxed with the belief that they'll never give it away cheaply!

    Henry got stronger as the game wore on and ended up totally bossing midfield. A fine captain's performance indeed. More of this please Henry.

    Finally a brief mention for Keogh who, although it didn't always work out for him, never gave up and some of his short passing / give-and-go interplay was excellent.
     
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    TBF, Keogh always performs well when he's played in his correct position. The only time he gets stick is when he plays right wing and slows down play, which isn't really his fault. He can finish as the goal away at Sheff Wed a couple of seasons ago proved, however he's only ever going to get 10 goals per season in this league.

    If and when we do go up, some of the chances he fails to put away will be even more costly (for his confidence and us) under the full glare of the premiership.
     
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    There is his problem, he is not going to be getting enough games under his belt when we have SEB and Big Chris who are around the 15 goal mark already.
     
  37. realy wanted neil collins to put the ball in the net when he had a run down the wing , that and a couple for keogh would have been great.
    maybe saturday !:D
     
  38. Wolv3nsam

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    I think dropping Iwelumo would have been the right decision last night whether or not he had been fit, which according to Mick he would have done.

    Jewell was clearly anticipating Iwelumo playing because Albrechtsen and Powell, although not the paciest, are both good in the air and probably would have marshalled him pretty well. Keogh offered us something different with his pace and movement, the two centre-halves barely got a minutes peace all night.

    Not that I'm saying we should drop Iwelumo for Keogh for good - Iwelumo is on 15 goals and has made a phenomenal difference. That said, whenever Iwelumo is injured/suspended I have no problem with either Keogh or Vokes coming in - you may lose the target man factor, but it gives the opposition something new to think about and deal with. Plus with Keogh especially you get ready made partnerships; him, SEB, Kightly and S. Ward were practically communicating telepathically last night. We all know him and SEB had a great partnership last season and him, Kightly and S. Ward used to look good playing together in 2006/07.
     
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    I also don't think Ikeme will be getting in the team anytime soon - Hennessey looked a lot more assured last night as the game wore on, and keeping that clean sheet will have done him the world of good.
     
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    Keogh grew in confidence as the game went on last night, the crowd chanting his name probably helped a bit, well, it was better than booing anyway. And he did ok, we know there's a good player in there somewhere but he's struggling to express himself. One opportunity which came his way in the first half when SEB played him in, I'm almost certain that if that had been a different striker, SEB would've took it on himself, Keogh's run helped create a bit of space for him.

    Overall though last night, similar to the Palace game in respect of scoring a very early goal and then seeming to struggle to get to grips with the game. Once we had got used to Derby's physical approach though, and stopped creating our own problems at the back, we were fine, played some very nice stuff from time to time as well. It has been mentioned but Kightly's ball through to Keogh for the third goal was absolutely brilliant, and he also played a big part in the second. Matt Hill made an assured debut and like Keogh, grew in confidence as the game went on, also made some good headed clearances. The majority of the team was just business as usual after the first 20-25 minutes and I don't recall Hennessey having a lot to do after that initial spell (and not much during it).

    Only one thing's nagging me at the moment - When's SEB going to get a hat-trick for us?!
     

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