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Wolves v Barnsley match verdict/player ratings thread only.

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by Mutchy, Dec 13, 2008.

  1. Mutchy

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    We're keeping the discussion separate to avoid the match reports being lost amongst a load of bickering - for example about Andy Keogh - as happened last season.
    All discussion on the separate thread please.
     
  2. Edgmond Wolf

    Edgmond Wolf MolMix Poster of the Season Runner Up 2011-2012

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    Barnsley given the chop

    Just home from the match and another 3 points in the bag....

    Barnsley never really pressurised us today and ultimately never looked like scoring. On another day we could have run roit against this side but today we were a bit lacklustre

    Hennessey - 7 - Never really troubled dropped one ball but other than that was solid. His kicking off either foot is fantastic.

    Foley - 9 - The guy is class at everything he does. Solid in the air stopped everything down the right and is so calm under pressure, My Man of the Season nevermind MOTM. The crowd gave him a tremendous roar when he scored

    Stearman - 7 - Solid in defence, never really looked under pressure today. Partnership with Mancienne gets better and better

    Mancienne - 8 - Solid in the air boy can he jump. Solid on the ground and really quick again never troubled

    Hill - 6 - Nice to see him getting some air time but his passing was a bit wayward particularly in the first half. Has some way to go to claim the shirt off Ward

    Kites - 7 - Some cameo runs from Kites and always coming back to help Foley if required. Surprised to see him subbed to be honest

    Henry - 8 - Ran the midfield despite Barnsley packing it with men to try and stop us. Passes a bit a drift in the first half but improved in the second.

    Edwards - 6 - Not at his rampant best today, looked a bit lacklustre and was subbed by Jones

    Ward - 6 - As always tries but really does not have the pace to beat his man. He looks better as Full Back and is more effective but you can not Knock his effort for the shirt

    SEB - 7 - Worked his socks off and ran the front line. Linked up well with Kites and Keogh and was unlucky not to score. Pressured defender into own goal

    Keogh - 7 - Another who works hard for the shirt. Intelligent running that gave us chances that led to the first goal. Needs a goal or two to get him at the top of his game again

    Subs

    Vokes - 7 - Came on and had an immediate impact - Foley scored.

    Jones - 6 - Calm and solid next to Henry, would like to see him either stroke the ball around or get stuck in and help Henry

    Jarvis - 6 - Not on long enough in my opinion....

    Mick - 7 - Another 3 points in the bag, good use of squad players but could have given Jarvis a longer run out against mediocre opposition. He would have tore them apart

    Ref - 3 - "You don't know what you are doing" rang out several times and boy was he poor

    Crowd - 22399 - A bit up and down today. The songs pettered out to quick for my liking. South Bank kept trying to gee the lads up but to be honest once we had gone infront Barnsley did not look like they were going to score... We are top of the league... Long may it be so
     
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  3. The Weasel

    The Weasel Just doesn't shut up

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    Strange old game that one, completely in control for 35 mins - real men against boys stuff - then forgot how to pass and tackle completely. Limped through to half-time largely because Barnsley had no cutting edge, then came out second half just as lacklustre. Henry and Edwards who had bossed the midfield early on just went missing and you could visibly see confidence draining. Then somehow we got out of 2nd gear and started to work the ball a bit and by the end 2-0 was comfortable. Why on earth Jarvo was sent out with Vokes to warm up 10mins into the 2nd half and then not introduced til the 85th minute I'll never know. We really needed some creativity as Kightly was having one of his off days yet Mick just kept playing the waiting game. Obviously Mick was right as the scoreline proves so its just as well I'm not the gaffer!

    Hennessey - 7 - Better. One awful dropped ball that so nearly went in, but excellent otherwise - not troubled that much frankly, but good kicking under pressure.
    Foley - 10 - MotM. I've never given a 10 before but I don't know how he could better that performance. Absolutely oozes class. His first touch is outstanding and he thinks like a top class player with more years experience than he could possibly have at his age.
    Stearman - 7 - Solid, untroubled
    Mancienne - 8 - see Stearman just a shade classier
    Hill - 7 - A much less nervy performance than his debut, reads the game well but still appears a little match-rusty.
    Kightly - 6 - Really didn't achieve much today, one of those days when nothing was really coming off for him. Lost possession countless times. Rightly subbed but should have happened earlier.
    Henry - 6 - Well, an 8 for the first 35 mins and a 4 for most of the rest...I'd love to know what happened that knocked the stuffing out of his confidence, would have struggled to pass water at the hour mark...
    Edwards - 5 - Again, a 7 for his early efforts and a 3 or 4 for what happened next. They really forgot how to pass and tackle until very much later in the game, it was almost like having Olofinjana back!
    Ward - 7 - He's clearly not as comfortable in the LW role as he is at LB which is a shame as I think he's destined for the bench soon. He works very very hard for the team though, and was probably the pick of a lacklustre midfield today.
    Keogh - 6 - A bit like Kightly little was coming off for Keogh today, his movement causes problems but for once his teamwork wasn't up to scratch (tracking back/closing down/helping out our central midfield duo when they went missing). Strange as that's his strong suit...
    SEB - 8 - Another quality lead-the-line performance from SEB who really worked hard again today.

    Subs:
    Voles - 7 - Lively, just what we needed, caused problems with his desire to win the ball, which we'd been missing. Almost scored, maybe should have.
    Jones - 6 - Doubt he did enough to win back his shirt, the question is did Edwards do enough to lose it?
    Jarvis - Once again, unfair to mark, doubt he touched the ball twice. I know we're edging him back in gently Mick, but either he's fit to play or he's not. We were crying out for a creative spark...

    Ref: How did he not give that corner? Otherwise ok I spose, we've had worse.

    crowd: Quality early on, for which we owe a big thanks to the South Bank, but the nervous tension on the pitch spread and we (like the players) became strangely subdued until Foley settled things.

    Highlight of the day: Hearing the Preston result just after I got home to wet and miserable Brizzle.
     
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  4. Job done - wasn't too pretty at times but I'll take that.

    Hennessey - very rarely troubled. One dodgy moment early on but otherwise had nothing to do - 6
    Foley - absolutely outstanding performance. I didn't see him make a single mistake, swept everything up at the back, and even looked more dangerous than Kightly going forward. Came close to scoring in the first half, but deservedly got his goal at the end. One of the most complete performances I have ever seen from a Wolves play - MOTM - 10
    Stearman - he impressed me today. Nothing got past him, he won everything in the air, and looked good bringing the ball out of defence. Rarely troubled by their strikers but credit where it's due - 8
    Mancienne - a few weak headers out, but otherwise similar to Stears. An excellent last ditch tackle to deny one of their strikers late on - 7
    Hill - wasn't impressed at all with his first half display, some shocking passes and looked a bit out of his depth. Luckily, he grew in stature in the second half. I'd still like to have seen Ward at LB and Jarvis LM but over the 90 minutes, Hill did his job - 6
    Kightly - not at his best today, and overshadowed by Foley. Still, put some dangerous balls in but I'm hoping he gets a bit more space when Jarvis is back starting again - they can't double up on them both - 6
    Henry - a bit anonymous for the last 10 minutes of the 1st half but otherwise did his job - 6
    Edwards - similar to Henry - not 100% convinced by their communication sometimes - 6
    Ward - I much prefer him at LB, but he certainly seems to have grown in confidence from last season, as shown by his trickery that he never would have tried 12 months ago. This was the first time I'd seen him live for a long while, and he looks a totally different player - 7
    Keogh - ran his socks off, pressurised their bloke for the OG and looked a nuisance. Got a good ovation when he went off, though some idiots around me in the South Bank still can't seem to give him a break - 7
    SEB - always looked a threat when he got the ball - good hold up play but chances just didn't sit up for him today - 7

    Subs:

    Jones - Tidy, controlled, passes and seemed to click much better with Henry than Edwards - 7
    Vokes - made an immediate impact, should have scored after on being on for a few minutes but his time will come - 7
    Jarvis - hardly got a touch, bar one fierce looking cross which no-one could get on the end of - 6
     
  5. The Weasel

    The Weasel Just doesn't shut up

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    Can't believe only 3 of us have bothered to do a proper verdict. This thread used to be one of the most eagerly anticipated and well debated threads on the forum, now its like a ghost town. It strikes me that we've tried an experiment and discovered it doesn't work, please can we go back to the old system with one post-match verdict/discussion thread - maybe with a rule that if you're giving a verdict you need to state if you were at the match or watching/listening?
     
  6. ProudWolf

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    That would make sense. I'm with you.
     
  7. itsonlyagame

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    Me too. I could never understand why the mods/admin would think someone who likes to offer player ratings without going to the game would be any less likely to do it just because there's a dedicated thread!! :confused:

    Daft idea as far as I am concerned, and one that's clearly not working.
     
  8. A wanderer from Bristol

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    Inclined to agree. I understand that the mods wanted to stop the verdict threads descending into petty arguments, but it appears that the effect has been simply to stop verdicts being posted - and the petty arguing still happens on other threads.

    Like you weasel, if i wasn't at the game, it was this thread that I always looked to for match reports, and contributed to when I was at the game. It was always interesting to see other posters take on events.

    Maybe we could rethink it?
     
  9. Wolves in Limerick

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    I'm with the moderators on this one, I was and continue to be happy with the change. The people who bother to do match reports offer those of us who can't listen to most matches through work and/or travel committments their perspective of the match. When we get a number of these we build up our own picture of who is playing well and poorly. We also develop an idea how the team is performing. These may not always be evident from the result (Mick recently spoke of us playing ugly and winning. All too often on the previous message boards that appeared after matches, people were inclined to carry on their own at times very petty arguments and thus ruin the discussion board.
     
  10. SaleWolf

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    I also very much dislike the seperate threads. I think a poll is necessary, it is a democracy after all...
     
  11. Deutsch Wolf

    Deutsch Wolf Just doesn't shut up

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    I don't like this arrangement.

    Let's say that I thought Kevin Foley had a poor game yesterday (I didn't, but let's imagine I have no eyes). I can't respond to Langdale giving him 10 out of 10 and explain why I think he's wrong. It has to go on another thread which he may or may not read and which might be going on a completely different direction.
     
  12. Mutchy

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    I don't mind it going back to how it was before, but after that it depends on how people post on the thread... the change was made because the actual verdicts that posters had taken time and trouble to write were being swamped in a load of petty bickering and insults. People who wanted to simply read the reports were finding it wasn't worth the trouble of wading through all the rubbish that was going on.
    I agree the separation is less necessary now we are doing well, but a lot of verdict threads were ruined last season.
     
  13. theinvisibleman

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    what is?
     
  14. SaleWolf

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    that we live in allegedly!
     
  15. Phoenix

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    Are you one of those who complained to the BBC about Strictly Come Dancing yesterday?

    Ideally it would be on one thread but in reality it was tedious to read for the reasons Muthcy has pointed out. Given the tendancy for threads to get ruined, two is better. (In my opinion).

    Again only my own thoughts, but if I was TIM, I wouldn't have the motivation to bother. To much whinging from people with not enough to complain about.

    :)
     
  16. MobNet Wolf

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    My thoughts to a tee.

    I like posting a verdict and having people rip it apart, over analyse it, question my eyesight etc. This can't happen now, and as a result, I feel less inclined to take the effort to post one.
     
  17. PabloWolfo

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    Is there a way with this forum software to enable there to be a seperate verdicts thread, but all posts get automatically copied to the general discussion thread? This would allow a dedicated thread for easy access to player ratings and also the ability for those who want to discuss those ratings to do so without the threat of posts being deleted.
     
  18. Chiswick_Wolf

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    Or a piece of software that allows the names of all players that featured in the game to appear at the top of the thread (set up by the mods;))with numbers "1 to 10" alongside in a simple tick box format (like we have with the current Polls). I'm sure lots more people would post ratings if it was quicker to do so.
     
  19. Toon Wolf

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    But the ratings are more than just about the numbers- part of the fun of the thread is seeing what people said about how the player played. Problem is you can't make a comment if you disagree with their opinion, you have to take it over to the other thread where it may be completely irrelevant to the discussion going on.
     
  20. blaenboy

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    Separate Threads

    Just to add my comments :I think the 2 threads works fine. I thoroughly enjoy the player ratings together with comments. I find that you get to know whose opinion you respect more and whose less. Mutchy is right-this way the arguments are contained. The match thread is where I go first and the player ratings next. It would be a retrograde step to change back in my view.
     
  21. JR's Boots

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    Hennessey - 7 - I fumble but other than that untroubled.

    Foley - 9 - MOM - outstanding

    Stearman - 8 - Dominant and when he brought the ball forward showed the midfield what they should have been doing

    Mancienne - 8 - Class

    Hill - 6 - Did ok but passing was wayward at time

    Kites - 7 - In and out but offered our only attacking threat

    Henry - 5- Our midfield was poor today, Henry was too deep and Edwards too far forward. It allowed Barnsley to dominate at times but fortunately our defence was too good for them. In the premier league we would be in trouble

    Edwards - 5- He's better coming off the bench against tiring teams

    Ward - 6 - He's not a left winger.

    SEB - 7 - Worked hard but given little service

    Keogh - 6 - Lightweight. We missed Chris and Vokes looks a better bet.

    Subs

    Vokes - 7 - Came on and had an immediate impact - Foley scored.

    Jones - 6 - Calm and solid next to Henry, would like to see him either stroke the ball around or get stuck in and help Henry

    Jarvis - 6 - Should have been on the pitch a lot longer. Why keep a player who could have shredded a defence on the bench for so long

    Mick - 7 - Another 3 points in the bag, good use of squad players but could have given Jarvis a longer run out
     
  22. Edgmond Wolf

    Edgmond Wolf MolMix Poster of the Season Runner Up 2011-2012

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    That looks remarkably like my assessment ;)
     

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